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Ok all you kids, have a terrific Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Rayquanza. I love you all (mostly), and I thank you for taking care of me here!

Love,
Julie <3
 
Well crap! I thought it was over the 27th? *checks calendar* It ended yesterday. Balls.
 
I hate to complain, but if you're going to list religious holidays that happen around this time of year, can you PLEASE include Yule, which is an actual religious holiday that many people actually celebrate, as opposed to including Kwanzaa which has nothing to do with religion, isn't even a real holiday at all, and I'm fairly sure no real person actually celebrates it?
 
Except for...black people. But this is America, we don't count them.

And Yule, last I checked, is a celebration of the solstice. Religions adapt it, sure, but it's areligious by definition, unless you want to claim special religious power in a certain alignment of the earth around the sun, and make that your special holiday.
 
I've never known one black person who actually celebrates it. I grew up in a city that was 30% black and never knew one who celebrated Kwanzaa. Most if not all black people are just smart enough to know that there's no reason for them to celebrate it, considering the fact that it's not only not religious, but not even a real holiday at all. It's supposedly to do with some harvest in Africa, but do you realize that it was actually made up by some *American* a few decades ago? No one in Africa has ever even HEARD of Kwanzaa. Some American who'd probably never even been to Africa looked it up and found out there was a harvest around that time so he invented a fake holiday for it.

And pagan religions such as Wicca and Druidism DO believe there are religious powers in a certain alignment of the sun around the earth, Yule is one of their two major religious holidays, the other one being summer solstice.

Also I'm pretty sure the Muslim's major holiday is around this time, and there's also a Buddhist holiday. It's just one of my major pet things that really bothers me to see several real, legitimate religious holidays that people actually celebrate ignored, while a nonreligious holiday that isn't even a real holiday that no one actually celebrates gets top billing.
 
Of course they believe that there is spiritual power in it, but then and again, so do the Catholics and the Jews and pretty much everyone else--which is why all major holidays fall in two seasons: Winter solistice and spring equinox.

I have African-American neighbors who celebrate Kwanzaa. To say that it's not a real holiday is to make a similar attack on Druidism or Wiccan beliefs--they're not real, they're yuppie reincarnations of old beliefs tailored to be acceptable to a fringe group yearning for the return of a bygone age in a modern society. What is religion? Wicca was only founded in the past century in its modern incarnation, I believe. Kwanzaa was founded only...oh, 40 or 50 years later. Do we have similar discussions about July 4th in America? What about Labor Day? Not everyone goes into labor on Labor Day. Hell, nobody knows what it's about. But everybody picnics. Wanna crusade for that?
 
It's not the same kind of attack at all, because they're still actual religions, and as you mention, winter solstice has had religious significance for pretty much everyone since the start of human history.

Kwanzaa is different. It's celebrating as a holiday an African event that Africans *themselves* don't even celebrate as a holiday! People who have never been to Africa and have nothing to do with Africa are celebrating as a holiday some African harvest when the Africans that actually HAVE the harvest don't even celebrate it. That's obviously different than actual religions celebrating an event that has had religious significance since humans existed.

There's no reason to attack Labor Day and the like, because Labor Day doesn't get focused on in favor of actual holidays. If Kwanzaa happened in like June or something and people went around saying Happy Kwanzaa, I wouldn't bother to say anything. It's the fact that it's standard to list Kwanzaa among the three "major" winter holidays, when it's the one that LEAST deserves to be listed compared to all the other winter holidays that are actually real holidays and get left out while Kwanzaa is mentioned instead.
 
ChaosRocket said:
I hate to complain, but if you're going to list religious holidays that happen around this time of year, can you PLEASE include Yule, which is an actual religious holiday that many people actually celebrate, as opposed to including Kwanzaa which has nothing to do with religion, isn't even a real holiday at all, and I'm fairly sure no real person actually celebrates it?
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Actually, it never crossed my mind since I've never met a Wiccan/Pagen that I liked. But you seem nice enough so, have a nice Yule, I guess?
 
They're all made up holidays based on crap.
 
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