Gekkouga's fate

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Ok, so I've been thinking back over Gekkouga's time on the show and you've got to admit the guy is pretty much the most powerful Pokemon Satoshi has ever owned... even if type-advantage wasn't an issue, I don't think even Lizardon or Goukazaru have as much power as this guy. Plus, the whole synchro-evolution angle puts him on a whole other level to any of the others. Given all of this, plus the role he's meant to play in the future with Team Flare, what I'm wondering is... how do you think he'll exit the show.

Let's face it, there's no way Satoshi is taking this guy to Alola. He's just too freakin' powerful... but I also have trouble believing he's going to be left to rot in an old man's back garden. I'm actually thinking he may exit the show before Satoshi gets back to Kanto somehow, maybe he'll remain at Platene's lab for study or maybe he'll be left to protect some random Pokemon. Who knows... the question is, do you think Gekkouga will just be left at Okido's like so many others or do you agree he may leave the show a different way?
 
I think Greninja would be at Oak's lab. It can't turn into Ash-Greninja if Ash is not there so not point in studying it at Sycamore's lab.
 
Greninja loves Ash and I don't see him leaving. All of Ash's Pokemon love him and he loves them but besides Goodra, I do not see Greninja leaving Ash so most likely he'll go to Oak's. also maybe Ash will switch out his Pokemon from time to time in Alola so maybe we'll see him occasionally; Just a thought. :D
 
Since Pokémon X and Y doesn't feature Satoshi-Gekkouga, I think we could afford to bring Gekkouga to the Alola region. In fact, it would be better to simply elevate Satoshi into something other than a substitute for the native male protagonist of the Sun and Moon games. He's far too powerful for him to simply "reset" again.

Consider they have Complete Forme Zygarde and 10% Zygarde in Sun and Moon, I am certain that Satoshi-Gekkouga will be in the games. And I am curious on how that is played out.
 
Shadao said:
Since Pokémon X and Y doesn't feature Satoshi-Gekkouga, I think we could afford to bring Gekkouga to the Alola region. In fact, it would be better to simply elevate Satoshi into something other than a substitute for the native male protagonist of the Sun and Moon games. He's far too powerful for him to simply "reset" again.

Consider they have Complete Forme Zygarde and 10% Zygarde in Sun and Moon, I am certain that Satoshi-Gekkouga will be in the games. And I am curious on how that is played out.
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I rather he didn't bring it back. Let him give gen 7 pokemon a go. He already has Pikachu anyway. Also he could use the starter's super move to promote the games. Greninja already finished it's arc in Kalos.
 
I don't see how the Ash-Greninja form means that Greninja is the most powerful. That transformation is probably only for Greninja and it's something that happens because of its mutual bond with Ash. I'm not saying Greninja isn't strong, I just don't think it being able to have that form means it the strongest. And we can't really say that Greninja is stronger than his other Pokemon, unless maybe we were to see it battling Ash's other Pokemon and is able to defeat them multiple times.

And as for if Ash's Greninja will leave him or not, then no, I doubt that will happen at all. After everything it has been through with its Trainer and then to be released or stay somewhere to protect some Pokemon or for anything like that to happen would seem pretty wrong. Just because it has a unique form, I don't think it staying at Oak's Laboratory would be strange.
 
WatcherMark said:
I also have trouble believing he's going to be left to rot in an old man's back garden.
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Charizard and Infernape have been "left to rot" in that same "back garden", there's nothing that realistically gives Greninja a free pass from that fate. I still personally feel that Charizard is stronger on account of never needing any power ups like Blaze or an as of yet unknown synchronisation to kick some tail, but whatever floats your boat.

I'm sure he's gonna be Oak'd. Greninja's not Goodra, he can't fully operate in such positions as a Ninja Village guardian or Sycamore Lab research subject without Ash around. You've got to remember that he needs Ash around to access their secret synchro form and that he is simply a vanilla Greninja without this. The only way to ensure frequent usage of Ash-Greninja (which I think is a silly name) post-XY is for Greninja to go with Ash to Alola, which I don't see happening either. Staying with Oak is the practical fate, at least that's the place Ash goes to at the end of every saga.
 
I think Greninja will just be left at Oak's. I don't agree with the statement that Greninja is Ash's most powerful Pokemon. It is perhaps one of his strongest, but Ash's Sceptile and Charizard are both capable of ME if the writers would just let Ash be great and have mega stones for those two.
 
But... When Ash brought charizard to johto, he was found to be too OP, and was released to Charicific Valley to train, and return sometimes.

Something similar could happen to Greninja. Nothing is stopping him/her to protect the Ninja village, as he/she is the modern 'hero Greninja'
 
PkmnTrainerV said:
But... When Ash brought charizard to johto, he was found to be too OP, and was released to Charicific Valley to train, and return sometimes.

Something similar could happen to Greninja. Nothing is stopping him/her to protect the Ninja village, as he/she is the modern 'hero Greninja'
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The only reason Greninja is Ash's most powerful Pokémon is because of its bond with Ash. Hence the Ash-Greninja. I think it's more likely that Ash forgoes the usual Gyms to take on bigger challenges with Ash-Greninja than leaving it to protect some village/place. Without Ash, Greninja could not achieve its legendary power and thus it is essentially pointless.
 
Exactly. It's got to be remembered that Ash must be around for Greninja to be what we've seen in all those recent battles with Alain, Diantha, Sawyer, and Wulfric. Charizard and Sceptile get stuff done on their own and Infernape can access Blaze without Ash, but Greninja is a special case. The need for Ash to be with Greninja for this form has effectively eliminated him from any position in which he permanently parts with this trainer. Staying with Oak is the only fate short of Greninja going to Alola and robbing screentime from Ash's Alola team.
 
Rather than being Oak'd he's going to be Sycamore'd. There is every reason for him to stay with Sycamore rather than at Oak's. For one thing, Ash's Greninja came from Sycamore's lab, and is best familiar with that place. He's also friends with Sycamore's Garchomp and is familiar with the lab crew, and they'd probably let him do whatever training he'd want to do in his free time so staying at Sycamore's would be the better choice. Besides, Bonnie and Clemont are going to stay in Lumiose for the gym anyways - I can imagine Bonnie dropping by the lab every now and then to visit him.
 
What I think is that, Greninja will go to Alola as that kind of evolution wasn't in X and Y so he has got a part in Alola.
 
Eye Gel said:
Rather than being Oak'd he's going to be Sycamore'd. There is every reason for him to stay with Sycamore rather than at Oak's. For one thing, Ash's Greninja came from Sycamore's lab, and is best familiar with that place. He's also friends with Sycamore's Garchomp and is familiar with the lab crew, and they'd probably let him do whatever training he'd want to do in his free time so staying at Sycamore's would be the better choice. Besides, Bonnie and Clemont are going to stay in Lumiose for the gym anyways - I can imagine Bonnie dropping by the lab every now and then to visit him.
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While I like the way that's being explained, Oshawott was Oak'd despite being from Juniper's lab. We can't exactly use Greninja's familiarity with Sycamore to get him out of joining the rest of the Kalos crew minus Goodra.
 
Ash-Greninja was the way to give Ash a 'mega', without giving him a normal mega, so that Ash would not be crushed in the Pokemon league by endless Megas.
But I guess this has backfired, as a normal mega could still be 'Oaked' till Ash comes to another conference, and maybe his mega slot changes again, and that thing could be Oaked and so on, look at the example:

Instead of the Greninja route, it could be made that near the swamp, Ash could have enough time to visit sycamore, and he could have battled Sycamore's team of starters, and win a mega stone. (Like in game) Sycamore would have revealed the stone as charizardite Y, and Ash could have gone to receive a key stone. And at the league, he could have performed with BOTH Greninja and Megazard Y, (he could've rotated talonflame or hawlaucha for some battles.

After the league, charizard, along with the rest of Kalos team could be Oaked.

In a similar manner, he could've received another mega for Sun/Moon anime, and so on.

But it is difficult to do so for Greninja as it is unlikely that Greninja would LIKE to be Oaked after discovering sheer power (that Greninja is hungry for powers, as we know)...

So, let's see how will the writers deal with Gekkouga's fate.

By the way, I never believed in the 'bond' thing. It is evident that Charizard has more bond with Ash than Greninja does...
 
Gengarzilla said:
While I like the way that's being explained, Oshawott was Oak'd despite being from Juniper's lab. We can't exactly use Greninja's familiarity with Sycamore to get him out of joining the rest of the Kalos crew minus Goodra.
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PkmnTrainerV said:
But it is difficult to do so for Greninja as it is unlikely that Greninja would LIKE to be Oaked after discovering sheer power (that Greninja is hungry for powers, as we know)...
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Greninja's strife to 'be the very best like no one ever was'. Ever since he was a Froakie, he had been focused on his training and had been a loner in a group of other Froakie's. Also, he's been willing to work with Ash to aim for more power, which is part of the reason why he had been disobedient to other trainers. Sycamore, knowing Greninja's personality and past, would be able to provide an environment where Greninja could work on his training. Oak doesn't know what kind of pokemon Greninja is, and thus wouldn't understand him as much as Sycamore does. Seeing how Greninja received special treatment among Ash's other pokemon, even to have a special form that not even Pikachu could have, I doubt he'd be sent to Oak just as any other pokemon Ash has. And I believe Ash would also want to provide the perfect training place for Greninja before they part, not just send it to Oak's.
 
Greninja cannot become Ash-Greninja unless it is with Ash. Therefore, it is pointless to leave it in Kalos to be studied by Sycamore or at the ninja village. I don't see it going to Alola because it would steal the spotlight for Ash's new pokemon. Oak's lab makes the most sense.
 
What if the plot twist is that it develops the ability to become Satoshi Geckouga... without Satoshi?
 
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