Generation 8: Fire Starter secondary typing?

What secondary typing?

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-remaining zodia figures:
-sheep(goat)
only bipedal creature is greek Pan goat, taking primarina is a siren, fairy would be good, + priority punch moves + sound fire type move+ maybe sound based abilities, priority sound moves, soundproof , dancer or singer(copy sound moves), probably would be a little faster then Incineroar, +2points, speed 62 and sp. def 108 and def 89
- Ox(bull)
minotaur(thats why they didnt do mega minotauros), but not part fighting, why do I feel steel with this one, maybe with waterproof, lightingrod, Bulletproof, speed 66 and def 116 and sp. def 95
- snake
poison??? would make biggest sense+ would allow a fast desert snake motiv and fairy counter , nice would be a bility with immunity to moves with "sand" ,"ground", "earth", "mud "rock" and "stone" in their names ", speed 107, low 80 defs and good hp and attack and spec attack on same level
- horse
pegasus? or cantaur? fire/flying? fire/fairy??? no , no, we had fire unicorn and many fire/flying, maybe ghost , a headless centaur with flame horse head from the chest , large sp. def and good def and hp , high horse power, wild charge, flame charge, extreem speed, shadow sneak, phantom force; pursuit, abilities like soundproof, speed 63 and sp. def 115
- rabbit
why I feel electric to make it a mutual enemy for torterra? + wide moveset and make it really fast, trickster doesnt mean it needs to be ghost or fairy, its enough if it gets their movesets+ magnetic rise, and volt switch, u-turn,a switch sweeper with speed 125, and equal attack, sp.atack , def and sp.def
 
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I agree with something Fire/Fairy. It doesn't even need to be on a starter at all; I just want to see the combination with anything.

A rabbit, maybe? That's the most "fairy-like" of the remaining signs if you ask me. We could even take inspiration from the moon rabbit of Asian folklore, only with the sun instead.
 
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whats more fairy? a faun, a minotaur, a centaur or a moon rabbit?

Looking at primarina and thinking of incineroar I know what I would want next.

Hope no over-use of fire/fairy like fire/fighting that would be too much...

what was Magearna?

Gengarzilla said:
moon rabbit of Asian folklore, only with the sun instead
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Is there Electricity on the Sun

solar energy? solar power? suns generates a lot of electro-magnetic energy and heat.
I like that.
 
I think this is my top 3 list for the fire starter
1. Fire/Electric Rabbit
2. Fire/Fairy Rabbit
3. Fire/Fairy unicorn/Pegasus (anyone please don’t suggest Mega Rapidash for this idea... Ninetales and Delphox coexist just fine)

AND AND AND PLEASE DONT MAKE THE FIRE STARTER HUMANOID OR SLOW
We should finally get a fire starter with high speed, maybe Greninja tier.
 
PkmnTrainerV said:
I think this is my top 3 list for the fire starter
1. Fire/Electric Rabbit
2. Fire/Fairy Rabbit
3. Fire/Fairy unicorn/Pegasus (anyone please don’t suggest Mega Rapidash for this idea... Ninetales and Delphox coexist just fine)

AND AND AND PLEASE DONT MAKE THE FIRE STARTER HUMANOID OR SLOW
We should finally get a fire starter with high speed, maybe Greninja tier.
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Rabbitm, snake and horse probably will be less humanoid, but we didnt got a centaur , but we have a fire unicorn in gen I.
Pegaus probably will be legendary fairy/flying and maybe we will get a legendary unicorn but I dont see starter material for that, and a second fire/flying starter would make people bad... maybe fire/ghost with levitate but chandelure may get mad.(why didnt that get magnet rise)
on 5 future starters you need to get ready that 2 out of 5 will be fast, 3 may get good defensive stats and typing like ghost, steel, fairy and will rather have priority and speed moves to even that out.
 
Matleo said:
but we have a fire unicorn in gen I.
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Like I’ve said before, we got a Fire fox in Gen 1, but it didn’t stop Delphox from happening.
Matleo said:
fire/flying starter
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My personal idea for a unicorn is a Fire/Fairy starter which gets;
Ability Fairy Flight: Increases Special Attack by one stage when user is sent out and makes it immune to ground moves for 5 turns.
 
PkmnTrainerV said:
My personal idea for a unicorn is a Fire/Fairy starter which gets;
Ability Fairy Flight: Increases Special Attack by one stage when user is sent out and makes it immune to ground moves for 5 turns.
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what about stats? speed? hp?defences?attacks?
Im not negating it, but thats not my cimate,, sorry. For me it really would be a waste of the unicorn motive.
I would rather want a mix of centaur , headless horse man and ghost rider. A black horse with 6 or 8 legs , body of a centaur but with flaming head and arms made of shadow or fire, it could have blue, violet flames depending on moves.
Ability? Levitate would be good but maybe too good for a regular form, what about making it having something new not to do with levitating? it could learn a new move for that.(that fairy flight would be a good move=equivalent of magnet rise )

Taking fire/ghost weakness: rock, ground, water, dark, ghost, ground immunity would be to much with fire/fairy that already is immune to dragon, rather could see it getting something offensive to reduce oponents hp on start, or make it's fire type moves get priority, there also could be a toatally new abiloty: Deep Hollow ability to make it block only the first contact move it meets in battle, like disquise but only with "contact moves" and make it also immune to entry hazards like stealthrocks this way it woudnt be worser then others.
I could see a sp.defensive wall with higher sp. attack, hp:75;attack 75; def 89 ; sp.attack 113; sp.def 116 , speed 62 ( low to not overpower it with its immunities but allow it to take a hit)

Spirit schackle could take on a other form with it in animation instead of arrows it could use chains and a spear.
 
Matleo said:
sorry. For me it really would be a waste of the unicorn motive.
I would rather want a mix of centaur , headless horse man and ghost rider. A black horse with 6 or 8 legs , body of a centaur but with flaming head and arms made of shadow or fire, it could have blue, violet flames depending on moves.
Ability? Levitate would be good but maybe too good for a regular form, what about making it having something new not to do with levitating? it could learn a new move for that.(that fairy flight would be a good move=equivalent of magnet rise )
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I really am not a fan of this idea, I guess we should agree to disagree, since we already have A LOT OF black fire starters, but the only one which is even remotely white is Infernape. I'd like to see something white or 'light' next generation, since we've just got a dark typed black fire starter.

Also, the ground immunity with my Fire/Fairy idea isn’t overpowered since it only works for 5 turns. A decent staller could deal with it.
And we haven’t got a notably fast Fire starter since Infernape. I'd rather the next starter is fast and specially oriented, like Greninja, since we have a lot of physical fire starters.
 
PkmnTrainerV said:
I really am not a fan of this idea, I guess we should agree to disagree, since we already have A LOT OF black fire starters, but the only one which is even remotely white is Infernape. I'd like to see something white or 'light' next generation, since we've just got a dark typed black fire starter.
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ok. what colors else? white , yellow, orange fur could be for other abimals ?
the Goat and rabbit could be lets say "white" with other alements.
But flames could be diffrent colors ...
Snake rather we had black and violet, maybe it could be red or blue?

Fire starters have a trend of flames coming out of body parts, like incineroars belt and stomach... maybe a full body burn, burning mane , burning horns, or mixed from old ones? nobody says that boar and goat cant share a burning beard? ox and goat could share burning horns and snake and dragon could share burning tail and maybe snake an rabbit burning body, fox and rabbit burning come out of its ears?

taking on Greninja, only a rabbit or snake could take down a frog right now when it comes to speed in pokemon world, dont see ox, horse or sheep taking it on in speed, rather with abilities, stats and moves.
Taking that it would need also a type advantage electric could be the right choice then the acces to magnet rise.
 
Alola said:
I don't even want a remotely fighting-like design. No heel wrestlers, trainees, fighting imagery of any sort.
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As someone whose favourite type is Fire, I’m tired of being constantly disappointed by GameFreak. It seems as if they’re on a agenda to make me hate Fire now.
 
what about a fire type Opera Singer, Beauty and the Beast style , Narnia oriented Satyr that could be fun.

Seeing a fire type starter pokemon doing Grass Whistle ,sing, using dream eater, wake up slap , horn leech, iron head, head smash, punches, some priority moves and Boomburst, but without a " fierry voice"(liquid voice fire versiom ) ability, rather would want priority sound moves or soundproof. Could get its own sound fire type move and they could make two more for other fire types too. Could be stats similar to infernape but much slower taking its good dual typing with better defences like incineroar.
If with soundproof then relation and between generation rivalry to primarina granted , doesnt need to be 8 generation but could come at some point. Especially in a colder or warmer region, perfect fairy candidate
 
Matleo said:
what about a fire type Opera Singer, Beauty and the Beast style , Narnia oriented Satyr that could be fun.

Seeing a fire type starter pokemon doing Grass Whistle ,sing, using dream eater, wake up slap , horn leech, iron head, head smash, punches, some priority moves and Boomburst, but without a " fierry voice"(liquid voice fire versiom ) ability, rather would want priority sound moves or soundproof. Could get its own sound fire type move and they could make two more for other fire types too. Could be stats similar to infernape but much slower taking its good dual typing with better defences like incineroar.
If with soundproof then relation and between generation rivalry to primarina granted , doesnt need to be 8 generation but could come at some point. Especially in a colder or warmer region, perfect fairy candidate
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We've literally just had Primarina which has almost the same theme.
 
PkmnTrainerV said:
which has almost the same theme.
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- We had 3 fire/fighting in a row in the past.
- 2 dark types in a row. (Greninja and Incineroar)
- 4 fighting types in a row if we count chesnaught (from gen 3 to 6)

Now we had with Kalos a second time a humanoid starter theme. Of mage(fable creature-healer-bard), knight(wrestler), assasin(archer),

In gen 4 we had Napoleon(Waterloo), kung fu fighter(martial arts master) and the world turttle.

Not the same theme, a sirene and a musician or singer are diffrent, the other can dance more.
Satirs, Pan figures, nordic god LOKI
a fire/fairy uses ice punch , headbutt, sucker punch and a lot of dancing moves, maybe even petal dance?
, Fauns, Dionysos, Baal, Baphomet, Banebdjedet, the Golden Fleece, Gods ram.
also can be sinister and tricky some times.

This kind of starter can hapen in later generations if now is too early if you think so.
The goat/sheep motive is good in my opinion. Like the rabbit, and both are related to the tiger motive.

Some things will repeat themself, but not all are that bad.
I wont be bad to get a water/ghost or a fire/ghost even if ghost type would be done 3 times in a row. It wouldnt be bad to get a water/fighting after Alola. It wouldnt be bad to get fire/fairy or grass/fairy in a row if other starters have a decent typing and are compatible with each other and the games region and pokemon and offcorse with the past generations.

Steel was used only once with water. And we only have one legendary fire/steel.
Electric was never used with any of the starters.

(but no fire/fighting and no grass/dark, grass/psychic in future, remebner that game freak, I can tolerate grass/fairy but thats it )
 
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