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getting shiny from an egg

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i just got to the point where i get the riolu egg from riley, and i was wondering, if i constantly restarted at a save point just before the egg hatches each time it does hatch, is there a chance that it will become a shiny riolu or are the IV's and that already determined and will never become a shiny?
 
Shininess aren't based on IVs anymore. Theoretically you could get a shiny Riolu but the odds are greatly against you.
 
It's the same chance of when catching a shiny in the wild. It's like 1 out of 5,286 or something like that.
 
The White King said:
Shininess aren't based on IVs anymore. Theoretically you could get a shiny Riolu but the odds are greatly against you.
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THat's a lie.

Its IVs, and everything else about the egg is determined when you take it from Riley. Don't waste your time.
 
The White King said:
You can argue with Bulbapedia if you want.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Alternate_coloration#Generations_III_and_IV
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Its not like you even answered the question in a useful way when everything about it is already determined as it forms the egg. So you know, good lesson, not helpful for the topic at hand.

Oh and the whole "Theoretically you could get a shiny Riolu but the odds are greatly against you" is what you woudl call "stating the obvious"

The question was "if i constantly restarted at a save point just before the egg hatches each time it does hatch, is there a chance that it will become a shiny riolu"

Your implied answer was "yes" while the real answer was "no"

And though I was not sure whether it was the IV value or personality value, but what I was calling a "lie" was your implied answer that, yes you can get a shiny that way.

You can argue you weren't implying a "yes" but then why would you say "theoretically you can" with the scenerio the user has given?

Oh, and if you really want to vouch for bulbapedia's accuracy, let's talk weather and how they basically copied SPPf's page, meaining they retained their mistakes on Thunder and Sand Storm (and a bunch of peopel at sppf refuse to believe the truth because it was on bulbapedia), or on a minor scale, claiming Karen to be the only dark-elite member in one of the trivia sections.
 
L's right. Joseph's already got the egg in his possession, meaning everything about the Riolu is set in stone. Stats, nature, gender, and shininess-or-lack-thereof.

Now, had he saved right before he received the egg from Riley and made the absolutely painful task of running the gauntlet of tediousness, and not saved hence, those stats would not be set in stone. It's been like that since RuSa. Yeah, RuSa. I have a multi-hatched Jolly-natured Poochyena that says 'hi'.
 
Ianto Jones said:
Now, had he saved right before he received the egg from Riley and made the absolutely painful task of running the gauntlet of tediousness, and not saved hence, those stats would not be set in stone.
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Yeah I read it wrong and for some reason I thought that. I guess that makes me a liar?
 
No, it makes what you said not true, but you know, I don't like to sugar coat things especially when it takes up more letters to type.

And sure you can see me as calling you a liar, or you can stop being so sensitive and see that I said your statement was a lie.
 
The word you were looking for was wrong. Lying would require me to have the intent to deceive. Lets improve the quality of posts here, ok? :)
 
To the OP:

Here's your answer, plain and simple.

If you save your game BEFORE receiving the egg, but hatch a non-shiny, simply shut off your game. Turn it back on, and you should be right at the point where you saved before getting the egg. Once you get the egg again, hatch it again, if it's non-shiny, reset... repeating the process several times before you finally hatch a shiny egg. This is called "soft resetting".

But it's been said already that the odds of you actually getting a shiny are about 1/8,192. Even if you soft-reset your game 8,191 times trying to hatch that Riolu egg (God forbid, because most people would rip their hair out and throw their DS out the window by now), your chances are still 1/8,192 of hatching a shiny.

Trust me, I know this works. In Ruby, I saved my game before taking the Beldum in Mossdeep City, and I soft-resetted about 50 times trying to get a shiny. Each time I picked up a "new" Beldum, it had a different Nature. But yeah, I'm not one for patience, so I got tired of trying to get a shiny and took the Beldum as-is.


However, if you've already taken the egg from Riley and saved your game, your egg will hatch as-is. Even if you save your file *JUST* before it hatches, it will always hatch with the same Nature, Gender and IV's. I tested this out myself with a couple of Chikorita eggs I was trying to hatch.


I hope this was helpful to you.
 
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The IVs aren't set, though. A while ago I tried soft-resetting for a modest Starmie egg, and while the nature was the same, the personality saying down below was different. Like, one was mischievious, another liked to eat, and so on. Aren't those the indicator for IVs?
 
Emerald_Dragonite said:
The IVs aren't set, though. A while ago I tried soft-resetting for a modest Starmie egg, and while the nature was the same, the personality saying down below was different. Like, one was mischievious, another liked to eat, and so on. Aren't those the indicator for IVs?
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Nah. Those little "personality quirks" are grouped according to which of its stats will grow faster.

According to my Nintendo Diamond/Pearl Guidebook, p.271:

Besides nature, each Pokemon has characteristics, too. What stat grows faster is based on these characteristics. For instance, the Pokemon that has a characteristic that makes HP grow faster and levels up, it will have its HP grow faster than its other stats.

And it comes with a handy-dandy little chart!


Stat that grows faster: HP
Characteristics: "Loves to eat" "Naps a lot" "Likes to daydream" "Untidy" "Loves to relax"

Stat that grows faster: Attack
Characteristics: "Proud of its power" "Loves to thrash about" "Quick tempered" "Loves to fight" "Hot-blooded"

Stat that grows faster: Defense
Characteristics: "Strong-willed" "Tolerant" "Tenacious" "Patient" "Good endurance"

Stat that grows faster: Special Attack
Characteristics: "Highly curious" "Loves mischief" "Somewhat shrewd" "Lost in thought" "Well organized"

Stat that grows faster: Special Defense
Characteristics: "Somewhat obstinate" "Somewhat vain" "Competitive" "Hates to lose" "Somewhat stubborn"

Stat that grows faster: Speed
Characteristics: "Loves to run" "Sensitive to sound" "Spaz" "Somewhat of a clown" "Quick to flee"
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So, let's say you have a Pikachu with a Relaxed nature. It will have higher Defense but lower Speed. It's personality could be "strong", "tolerant", "patient", "enduring" or "tenacious", then list that it has a preference to Sour food. Because Pikachu's Speed is its best asset and Defense is its worst stat, a Pikachu with a Relaxed nature is the worst combination for its species.


To sum it up, these little "quirks" will determine which of your Pokemon's stats will grow faster. Even Pokemon with Neutral Natures (Bashful, Docile, Hardy, Quirky, Serious) have these little personality quirks, and its stats will be influenced accordingly.

Going back to that Relaxed Pikachu, if you're aiming to raise a Pikachu with high Defense, its Relaxed nature will already raise its Defense, and with the proper little "quirk" (from the ones I mentioned) attatched to it, its Defense could, theoretically, get an extra little boost when it levels up.

Hey, there's no actual research to back this up. Though I could try myself, I guess. I'm sure that these little quirks are part of the Hidden IV's of Pokemon Generations III and IV.


Hope that helps!
 
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to get a shiny out of an egg, you have to save right before you get an egg. if you just keep rehatching it after you got it, then it will be the same, and the rate of shinys is like, 1/8192, or somethin like that
 
Tadashi said:
Nah. Those little "personality quirks" are grouped according to which of its stats will grow faster.
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Uh, wrong-o. The Nintendo guides just say that because they don't want to mention how the games works. =P It's IVs.
 
ok, is there a way to figure out what the optimal conditions for getting a shiny from an egg are? such as, can you determine what the best likely-hood nature for getting a shiny is, then give a female pokemon with that nature an everstone so that its eggs will have a %50 chance of having that nature, thus increasing the chances that the eggs will be shinies?
 
Luna Tiger said:
L's right. Joseph's already got the egg in his possession, meaning everything about the Riolu is set in stone. Stats, nature, gender, and shininess-or-lack-thereof.

Now, had he saved right before he received the egg from Riley and made the absolutely painful task of running the gauntlet of tediousness, and not saved hence, those stats would not be set in stone. It's been like that since RuSa. Yeah, RuSa. I have a multi-hatched Jolly-natured Poochyena that says 'hi'.
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Not gender amigo, I restarted many times when I get the wrong or most unwanted gender of the pokemon that I need or have and the gender changes but its awkward.
 
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