Ghetsis or N?

[Torterrius]

I have not seen such a topic or discussion before, so I'm making a new thread for it, but if that's not the case, I apologize.

Anyway: Let's say, after beating N in the grand finale, that in a moment of understanding (and then using the same magical healing that happened between that battle and the fight with Ghetsis), N intervenes between Ghetsis and yourself, before Ghetsis can attack. He instead battles Ghetsis...

Naturally, this would not make sense for us to deal with as we would miss a pivotal battle, but if things did happen this way, would N beat Ghetsis, or would Ghetsis actually be stronger? Please, for this case, disregard that the story would require N emerging victorious, and actually judge them on the merits of their teams.

In my opinion, Ghetsis has the stronger team. Despite N having Reshiarm/Zekrom, I believe Hydreigon would easily defeat the legendary. Everything else seems to go in the direction of Ghetsis anyway. What with Bouffalant and Eelektross, I believe they could defeat N's Pokemon. Archeops requires just a 50% or more HP hit against it to make it worthless, and Ghetsis's Pokemon all have bulk against N's flimsy Pokemon (or as in the case of Klinkang) overall ineffective.

 

[smalllady]

I think a topic like this could go in the Contest Hall.

But anyways, yeah, I hate to say it, but Ghetsis would have the upper hand. Hydreigon could probably sweep N's entire team. :\

 

[Wiley Willy]

A lot of people seemed to not understand that Ghetsis was an evil bad ass.
He proved that through out the pokemon game and more so in rigorous battles.
Ghetsis would have definitely beaten N into submission, no doubt.

 

[shiny zek]

Ghetsis's Hydreigon would've wiped the FLOOR with N and the Eelektross would've helped.

 

[Nytie]

Ghetsis's Hydreigon was the bane of my entire existence while I was trying to beat him. N wasn't half bad, but Ghetsis would definitely have the upper hand. I suppose N might come out on top if luck was on his side, but he wouldn't have an easy time of it.

 

[Infinity Mk-II]

N was pretty much mentally beaten down at that moment. Plot-wise, N would lose too.

Team-wise, Ghetsis' team was more menacing and it's set up in a way so you can't just sweep it with your legendary, as N would attempt doing. Plus he has quite some threats that N wouldn't handle, particularly the Hydreigon which N simply wouldn't have anything for at the time Ghetsis sends it out.

 

[Rainami]

With the plot of the Pokemon games overhyping how strong the legendary Pokemon are, I think that it would make more sense for N to win. Plot wise, at least. Realistically Ghetsis would most likely win.

 

[Torterrius]

See, on the plot-wise bit, I would assume N would regain his composure in a fit of righteous fury after Ghetsis explains how N was nothing except a pawn. And that would be what led to his intervention. And, also speaking plot-wise, he'd pull an Ash and win with superior spirit. His Pokemon would be beaten pretty hard, but spirit would win the day.

Hmm...I sense a fanfic brewing...

 

[Bouffalant Herdier]

Ghetsis would win because his Pokemon are slightly stronger overall and have the better strategies. And even though N has Reshiram/Zekrom on his side, he would stupidly keep using Fusion Flare/Bolt on Ghetsis' Hydreigon, quickly losing his legendary advantage.

 

[Wiley Willy]

Honestly, I didn't like "N" very much. He was the stereotypical misunderstood villain character that the pokemon franchise loves so much. Which is another reason why I liked Ghetsis so much. He is by far the meanest and nastiest of all the villains of the pokemon franchise, hell even Giovanni has nothing on Ghetsis.
So "N" winning out of spirit? That's what we like to call writers intervention. "Why did "N" win that battle? Oh because the writer said so." I support Ghetsis, as a villain and as an amazing battler. He DESERVES to have the upper hand against "N". He used "N" for all those years without "N" ever being able to realize it, so of course Ghetsis is an evil genius, and with that Evil Genius comes intensly intelligent Battle Strategy. Ghetsis deserved to be the best in the game story line, and he deserved to beat "N" into submission, because we have to face it guys... Ghetsis is smarter than "N".
The only reason "N" moves on in the storyline is because there is only one person declared as being smarter than Ghetsis, and that's our character. The story was purposely set up that way, and I love it because of that.
Ghetsis was a maniacle genius, but we as characters overcame that. Yay us and yay pokemon story writers.

(I'm thinking of trying to write a Ghetsis FanFic which is why I defend him so heavily. Ghetsis is awesome and deserves a lot of villain respect.)

 

[Articwolf10]

Honestly, I didn't like "N" very much. He was the stereotypical misunderstood villain character that the pokemon franchise loves so much. Which is another reason why I liked Ghetsis so much. He is by far the meanest and nastiest of all the villains of the pokemon franchise, hell even Giovanni has nothing on Ghetsis.
So "N" winning out of spirit? That's what we like to call writers intervention. "Why did "N" win that battle? Oh because the writer said so." I support Ghetsis, as a villain and as an amazing battler. He DESERVES to have the upper hand against "N". He used "N" for all those years without "N" ever being able to realize it, so of course Ghetsis is an evil genius, and with that Evil Genius comes intensly intelligent Battle Strategy. Ghetsis deserved to be the best in the game story line, and he deserved to beat "N" into submission, because we have to face it guys... Ghetsis is smarter than "N".
The only reason "N" moves on in the storyline is because there is only one person declared as being smarter than Ghetsis, and that's our character. The story was purposely set up that way, and I love it because of that.
Ghetsis was a maniacle genius, but we as characters overcame that. Yay us and yay pokemon story writers.

(I'm thinking of trying to write a Ghetsis FanFic which is why I defend him so heavily. Ghetsis is awesome and deserves a lot of villain respect.)

Oh Ghetsis is definitly the best Pokemon villian ever but he's also a mother fuking asshole for what he did to poor N the guy didn't deserve the shit that was said to him and owning G was very satsiying and he used an action replay!

 

[Almonds]

Plot-wise AND team-wise, Ghetsis would've beaten N, and that's the most probable scenario.

But then again, I hadn't had much trouble with Ghetsis and his three-headed dragon. In Black version, even though I was underleveled, I got through his team easily, and for his dragon, I sent out Reshiram. After Reshiram survived a hit from Dragon Pulse, I made him use Dragon Breath and paralyzed that Hydreigon. Then killed it on the next turn. I guess it was all luck since paralyzing happens randomly. But N could've had the same sort of luck.

 

[smalllady]

After Reshiram survived a hit from Dragon Pulse, I made him use Dragon Breath and paralyzed that Hydreigon. Then killed it on the next turn. I guess it was all luck since paralyzing happens randomly. But N could've had the same sort of luck.

This is true. However, N replaced Dragonbreath with Reflect/Light Screen. So he doesn't really have this option.

 

[Blue Dragon]

Based on their teams and in a competitive environment I would say that Ghetsis has the better team. It's only natural that Ghetsis would beat N, as he is the final boss in story mode, so he would have a better strategy than N. Also as everyone has mentioned his Hydreigon would be his main powerhouse and could easily take down N's Reshiram/Zekrom realistically (game wise).

Having a wide range of attacking and defensive options is Ghetsis's strategy, which is something that N's team slightly lacks. I would say that N's team is more focused on small tricks and tactics, which to me is "beating round the bush".

 

[El_]

Hydreigon sweeps.

/thread

Seriously, his legendary cannot handle Hydreigon, just look at Reshiram/Zekrom's movesets:

Giga Impact/Hyper Beam
Extrasensory/Zen Heabutt
Fusion Flare/Bolt
Light Screen/Reflect

LOL Hydreigon would have a field day. Hydreigon also outspeeds the two dragons, and the dragons have nothing to hit Hydreigon for super effective damage. Only Giga Impact/Hyperbeam would hit for neutral damage, and if those moves don't K.O. it, then Hydriegon will win.

The Ice Cream Cone gets decked as well as the Gear, both to Fire Blast or Focus Blast. The turtle will likely get K.O'd to Focus Blast. Zorark could outspeed for its own Focus Blast, but if it misses then it will easily get K.O.'d. Archeops might faint it, but it will then have to deal with 5 other Pokemon that will deal with him.

In short, Ghetsis easily takes this. Even plot wise he should win because he is the true big bad.

 

[Silverwynde]

There's no real way N would have beaten Ghetsis and it has nothing to do with either one's team. Ghetsis already has N browbeaten into submission; there's no way N could have broken Ghetsis's mental hold over him. The poor kid wouldn't have been able to order his team to even strike.

How do I know? I've been where N stands. My mother pretty much browbeat me into submission--I know for a fact that I cannot stand up to her at all. I can barely make a decision on my own, for heaven's sake. N's stuck in the exact same boat as I've been for three decades. He'd have no chance going up against his father.

Of course, that made the battle all the sweeter for me: watching my Golurk rip that sorry pile of waste apart put a huge grin on my face. :evil:

 

[Almonds]

After Reshiram survived a hit from Dragon Pulse, I made him use Dragon Breath and paralyzed that Hydreigon. Then killed it on the next turn. I guess it was all luck since paralyzing happens randomly. But N could've had the same sort of luck.

This is true. However, N replaced Dragonbreath with Reflect/Light Screen. So he doesn't really have this option.

...Although I am a huge fan of N, I cannot help but say that was a stupid thing to do XDD

 

[smalllady]

This is true. However, N replaced Dragonbreath with Reflect/Light Screen. So he doesn't really have this option.

...Although I am a huge fan of N, I cannot help but say that was a stupid thing to do XDD

Indeed. I think its a little strange, too. Reflect and Light Screen are both TMs that can only be found at the Nimbasa City Pokemart. And then Giga Impact/Hyper Beam, the other move N has Zekrom/Reshiram learn via TM, is only found at the Route 9 Department Store. I'm having a hard time believing N would even consider using something such as a TM. I thought he would be more inclined to just use Zekrom/Reshiram as is.

Oh well I'm probably thinking about this too much orz.

 

[UnovaCastaway]

This is true. However, N replaced Dragonbreath with Reflect/Light Screen. So he doesn't really have this option.

...Although I am a huge fan of N, I cannot help but say that was a stupid thing to do XDD

Indeed. I think its a little strange, too. Reflect and Light Screen are both TMs that can only be found at the Nimbasa City Pokemart. And then Giga Impact/Hyper Beam, the other move N has Zekrom/Reshiram learn via TM, is only found at the Route 9 Department Store. I'm having a hard time believing N would even consider using something such as a TM. I thought he would be more inclined to just use Zekrom/Reshiram as is.

Oh well I'm probably thinking about this too much orz.

Well, N says he expects to battle you and others, so it makes sense for him to use TMs. No biggie.

 

[myzombiedarling]

Ghetsis has to be the collest