Giratina - The Pokemon Devil?

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This is my first post on this site and I don't know if there's been a thread like this in the past, so pardon me for being a newbie around here. =l

I've come to the conclusion the Giratina, the Renegade Pokemon, is the "devil" of the Pokemon world. I know it's been bluntly stated that its concept is based off of antimatter (by the creators and Cynthia themselves 8P) but, often times, Pokemon don't draw inspiration from a single place.

Giratina is the "Renegade" Pokemon. Renegade is defined as "One who rejects a religion, cause, allegiance, or group for another; a deserter." Rejecting an allegiance sticks out the most. It's not definitely stated that Arceus created Giratina, but I see no reason to argue that. It created Dialga and Palkia, so it could have easily created Giratina to bring a balance to Space/Time with antimatter. Likewise, Dialga and Palkia's creation could have brought about Giratina in a similar way. Personally, though, I like to think of Arceus creating Giratina. If this is true, Giratina being a renegade brings about obvious allusions to Satan/Lucifer. Being the one to revolt against God (Arceus), his creator and master, Lucifer (Giratina) was banished to Hell (the Distortion/Reverse World).

I'm not saying Giratina's evil or anything, I'm just drawing comparisons. It's hard not to with a PokeGod in our midst, right? In the anime, Giratina doesn't seem evil at all, rather benevolent actually. In the games, he doesn't have much to go on; he appeared from the Distortion World to stop Cyrus' actions. Whether for the good of the entire Pokemon world or just for his own world is up to debate.

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Don't think so~ I think it'd be more clear like it is with Arceus.

But good theories I'd say. C:
 
I saw the similarities in it and I believe it is meant to be.

Also... six legs, six wing things, six spikes around his neck.

666.

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Anyways, the original devil was, like Giratina, a creation of God. Then he was cast down, like Giratina.
 
Shiny_Munchlax said:
Don't think so~ I think it'd be more clear like it is with Arceus.

But good theories I'd say. C:
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If it wasn't clear, I wouldn't blame them for deluding it. The fact they made a God of Pokemon was risky enough (Pokemon and religion have had their bouts in the past after all), so a Pokemon based on the devil would be a bit much. 8P
 
SquirtleMan493 said:
If it wasn't clear, I wouldn't blame them for deluding it. The fact they made a God of Pokemon was risky enough (Pokemon and religion have had their bouts in the past after all), so a Pokemon based on the devil would be a bit much. 8P
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People need to learn that there are other religions than Christianity. Honestly, there is nothing in Arceus' myth that makes him "God", rather that he is a creation god, which a lot of religions have.
 
SquirtleMan493 said:
If it wasn't clear, I wouldn't blame them for deluding it. The fact they made a God of Pokemon was risky enough (Pokemon and religion have had their bouts in the past after all), so a Pokemon based on the devil would be a bit much. 8P
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Very true. But I still don't think I can ever see Giratina as the Pokemon Devil, it's just a cool dragon to me o u o

Especially the baby form...*cuddles his Baby Giratina in HG*
 
Ryuutakeshi said:
I saw the similarities in it and I believe it is meant to be.

Also... six legs, six wing things, six spikes around his neck.

666.

...

Anyways, the original devil was, like Giratina, a creation of God. Then he was cast down, like Giratina.
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Actually, contrary to popular belief, 666 is not the number of the beast, it's 616. However, it should be noted that both the devil and Giratina do have 6 wings.
 
The Grim Heaper said:
Actually, contrary to popular belief, 666 is not the number of the beast, it's 616. However, it should be noted that both the devil and Giratina do have 6 wings.
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Since 666 has such strong ties with the devil, I do find it ironic that Giratina has six of so many things. You could probably chalk it up to coincidence, but still it seems to support my assumption.
 
Giratina is the personification of Anti-Mater... it's prett much stated in Pt... If he was the 'devil' pokemon he wouldn't have been a member of the Dragon trio...

And I said this before maybe he had some beef with his brothers and Arceus seperated them into different worlds. (Dailga and Palkia lived in another realm also.)

It's Japan which has a largly non christian population. it could of been a councedence...
 
I suggested this ages ago one another Pokémon forum and everyone called me stupid.

I think Giratina could be a vague representation of the devil.
 
According to Giratina's Platinum Dex entry, it was banished to the Distortion World for its violence, and that it gazed upon our world from there. So, yeah, I guess it would be Pokemon's version of the devil (sort of).
 
I don't think so for many reasons.

1. In anime and movies Giratina is depicted as a Pokemon who is only trying to defend its home, the world of antimatter, since even the slightest damage in the real world is equal to the one in the world of antimatter.

2. Its violence doesn't mean anything. It has been well shown Giratina can travel between the real world and the other dimension. Also while it was in the world, Giratina didn't do any damage on it own wish.

In my opinion, Giratina simply wanted a world under its control and started violating living beings. I believe after Arceus created the world, Giratina was satisfied as the dragon had no reason to come back to the real world.

So no, Giratina isn't a Pokemon devil, at least not for me.
 
SquirtleMan493 said:
This is my first post on this site and I don't know if there's been a thread like this in the past, so pardon me for being a newbie around here. =l

I've come to the conclusion the Giratina, the Renegade Pokemon, is the "devil" of the Pokemon world. I know it's been bluntly stated that its concept is based off of antimatter (by the creators and Cynthia themselves 8P) but, often times, Pokemon don't draw inspiration from a single place.

Giratina is the "Renegade" Pokemon. Renegade is defined as "One who rejects a religion, cause, allegiance, or group for another; a deserter." Rejecting an allegiance sticks out the most. It's not definitely stated that Arceus created Giratina, but I see no reason to argue that. It created Dialga and Palkia, so it could have easily created Giratina to bring a balance to Space/Time with antimatter. Likewise, Dialga and Palkia's creation could have brought about Giratina in a similar way. Personally, though, I like to think of Arceus creating Giratina. If this is true, Giratina being a renegade brings about obvious allusions to Satan/Lucifer. Being the one to revolt against God (Arceus), his creator and master, Lucifer (Giratina) was banished to Hell (the Distortion/Reverse World).

I'm not saying Giratina's evil or anything, I'm just drawing comparisons. It's hard not to with a PokeGod in our midst, right? In the anime, Giratina doesn't seem evil at all, rather benevolent actually. In the games, he doesn't have much to go on; he appeared from the Distortion World to stop Cyrus' actions. Whether for the good of the entire Pokemon world or just for his own world is up to debate.

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The key problem is that the Devil in Christianiy (and evil spirits in most mythologies) is never benevolent and actively works to cause evil in the world. Giratina isn't malevolent by nature or actions and if it hadn't been for the clash of Dialga and Palkia it probably never would have pothered with the regular world at all.

It will be interesting to see what happens come the sixth generation of pokemon since they will include the numbers 616 and 666 (and, if patterns hold, 616 ought to be a Normal/Flying type or a Bug, Bug/??? type while 666 could be anything).
 
It's not necessarily a Christianity nod on Arceus' or Giratina's part:


Arceus is said to have created the world "with its 1000 arms," which if I remember correctly hearkens back to a specific Buddhist deity. Might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's meant to represent a creation god (of which many exist, and not all are the central gods of a religion), not the Christian God/YHWH.

As for Giratina, it has been established through a few creator interviews and other sources that Giratina is supposed to be the local god of antimatter. That's why, for the most part, it keeps to its own separate world; if the two were to meet, there would be outright chaos and destruction for both worlds. Besides, Giratina has never been outright portrayed as "evil," just territorial. Really, the legendary bird trio was more chaotic than him, if the movies are anything to go by.


Thus, Giratina is not the devil any more than Darkrai is (so not at all).


Also, Nogitsune, what are you talking about? The numbers will probably go through the 500s and stop around 600. Remember, we're only at 493 right now.
 
Japan is not a Christian country. Giratina is not inherently evil, and Arceus really is more like Zeus to me. And BTW, 616 is the number of the antichrist, not 666.
 
You could say that it has aspects of the devil but I wouldn't call it a devil. Its not shown to be evil in any of its appearances.
 
Well, while it seems to very, there have been times where the devil has been portrayed as a tragic or sympathetic character. John Milton's Paradise Lost portrayed Satan as a character who simply wanted his freedom rather than an eternity of servitude under God. Man was free to do as they please, while angels had no choice in the matter. Of course, in his failure he did become our classic "devil" (who's happy after they lose, after all?).

I'm usually more of a games over anime person, and while Giratina was benevolent in Giratina and the Sky Warrior I can't say I see much benevolence in Platinum either. I'm not arguing he's evil in the games, but how much about him do you get to learn before you have to go and catch him?
 
Nogitsune said:
The key problem is that the Devil in Christianiy (and evil spirits in most mythologies) is never benevolent and actively works to cause evil in the world. Giratina isn't malevolent by nature or actions and if it hadn't been for the clash of Dialga and Palkia it probably never would have pothered with the regular world at all.
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I agree. Giratina stays in the Reverse World and doesn't cause trouble (unless it's agitated or provoked).
 
Ooh, I got a good one.

Giratina's Origin Form is a serpent, Satan appeared to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as a serpent.

Happenstance/Coincidence? =P
 
Anyone else think it would be hilarious if the 616/666th Pokemon was just something random and not related to the devil at all. I would.

Anyway, Giratina does indeed bears some resemblance of the devil, 666, banished to another world. But I don't think it is evil.
 
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