Bulbapedia Grunt Articles

[MisterE13]

Currently, we treat the Grunts of each villianous Team as though the name referred to a Trainer class however, this is not the case. "Grunt" is technically the name given to each individual Trainer while each Team has had their own Trainer class. To remedy this, I'd suggest we remove the (Trainer class) disambiguation marker from each of the pages, while ensuring that each name follows the example of the latest Team, that is to say have each page be Team ___ Grunt. Those that are the only ones of their class can simply be redirected to while a page on the now defunct class "Rocket (Trainer class)" should be made, containing information on Gens I and II. I've also drafted an attempt at "User:MisterE13/Team Plasma (Trainer class) - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia".

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

I'm confused...

So basically, you want it that whenever you type in 'Grunt', you don't get a disambiguation page and basically get nothing? I don't think that would be very practical for navigation. So what if 'Grunt' is supposed to be the 'name' of each grunt? 'Grunt' is a noun, not a given name. Even Gen I had "Rocket Grunt" before trainers were even given names.

It does kinda make me wonder how exactly the games classifies the grunts in the programming, though...

 

[MisterE13]

Actually, in Gen I they were just called "ROCKET". Instead of Team Rocket Grunt (Trainer class), the page should be at Team Rocket Grunt, with all the appropriate redirects.

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

Actually, in Gen I they were just called "ROCKET". Instead of Team Rocket Grunt (Trainer class), the page should be at Team Rocket Grunt, with all the appropriate redirects.

FYI, other trainer classes had gotten their names changed as well.

You also have to realize another thing, all named trainers have their own names. A game does not have more than one trainer with the same name. In a given game, they all have their own names. Team Grunts are all called 'Grunt', which is again supposed to refer to the rank they are in. The 'Grunt' part is not a name, it's a rank. and therefore viable as a trainer class.

 

[MisterE13]

However, you're point that Gen I also had "Rocket Grunts" is wrong. Within the games' data Grunt is in fact their name, notably, as mentioned, Trainer names they were just "Rockets". Likewise, this class was effectively shared between them and the Executives in Generation II for whom Executive was in fact also the name they were given.

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

If the Grunts were that important to be given names, they would be. But they're not, and are instead referred to all as Grunts, which is a noun and their rank.

The only reason 'Grunt' takes up the name slot is because of SPACE in the text box, and most likely because having 'Grunt' accompanying the name slot is a lot easier for them to do. Referring the Grunt articles as solely "Team ____" would get people confused on whether the article is about the entire team in general, or if it is about the grunts themselves. We already have "Team ____" articles.

And to anyone else reading this, why do I have to be the only one arguing over this? Maybe someone else can make better points.

 

[The dark lord trombonator]

I find it hard to believe that Team Rocket only hires people called "Grunt" or else forces them to change their names upon joining.

 

[MisterE13]

I find it hard to believe that Team Rocket only hires people called "Grunt" or else forces them to change their names upon joining.

I'm not implying either of those things, simply that our page on Team Rocket Grunts is a page about a group of characters with the Trainer class "Team Rocket" (formerly "Rocket") who are refered to by the generic title of Grunt. Therefore, "Team Rocket Grunt" is not a Trainer class and shouldn't be referred to as such by our page names or navigation templates.

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

Dude, so WHAT if 'Grunt' uses the trainer name slot. It was just put into that slot for ease.

By developer INTENTION, the trainer class is supposed to be "Team ____ Grunt".

 

[The Outrage]

Would they have even been able to not put a name in that slot?

 

[MisterE13]

Well we need an article on "Team Plasma (Trainer class)" anyways since Ghetsis and N also have it, proving that it is a class without the Grunt part. Also, when used in a party template such as with our friends the Rocket Brothers, the link to the Trainer class just says "Team Rocket".

 

[Blockhead Pippi]

And oh oh, let me guess... the Executives, even those from Gen II when they didn't have names, will have to be changed because of this, huh.

 

[MisterE13]

Well the article "Team Rocket (Trainer class)" would be like a normal Trainer class article, with the sprites and parties of the Grunts and Executives/Admins from Gens I, II, and III while explaining that the class was originally just "Rocket" but renamed. There would also be links to the Executives newer personas don't worry . The article would also explain that the class was later split in two with the Grunts remaining at "Team Rocket" with the Executives gaining their own class.

 

[Baron Dante]

I actually agree with this. Whatever the producer intentions were, are irrelevant. (Besides, I don't think there is an official word about this)

The game is coded such that the "Grunt" is a name, thus it should be considered such. Just because they have same class and name doesn't mean they should be red as one. I'm sure the games have duplicates.

 

[The Outrage]

You could write "Team ________" as a trainer class and mention in the article that the pawns are all given the name "Grunt" to signify their low ranking.

However, I did ask before if the game was even able to not have the name section filled. If that were the case, one could easily make the argument the article should be named "Team ________ Grunt" with the article mentioning the Grunt is placed in the name section because they are not able to keep that space empty.

Either way, the articles would be accurate by not neglecting that information.

 

[MisterE13]

My suggestion was actually to treat them more as characters and have the pages at "Team _____ Grunt" without the parentheses. In the cases of Rocket and Plasma, however, this would necessitate the creation of actual Trainer class articles as those classes are used by more than just the Grunts.

 

[The Outrage]

The thing with character pages though is that their trainer class is not given in the titles so there's still the consistency issues. So I guess something better than a redirect page for "Grunt" explaining it is the 'name' that people refer to the lowest members of an evil organization in the main games? It doesn't really give a lot of information though.

 

[SnorlaxMonster]

I guess getting rid of "(Trainer class)" from the Grunts pages would make sense, but they should still stay on the Trainer class navs. For classes where "Team <name>" is given to both the Grunts and someone else, I guess that should have a page too.

The thing with character pages though is that their trainer class is not given in the titles so there's still the consistency issues. So I guess something better than a redirect page for "Grunt" explaining it is the 'name' that people refer to the lowest members of an evil organization in the main games? It doesn't really give a lot of information though.

TTE was working on something in his userspace to replace that article with. I think we could fix that up and use that on the page Grunt.