{This is really just a random rant that I probably could've posted in the GSDS thread, but I didn't want to clutter up space.}
So, let me start by saying I've been a Pokemon fan since /January or February of 1999 (damn, I'm old XD)
I used to get up Weekday mornings and watch Doug (if you don't know it, look it up, it was a great cartoon).
One day I just happened to catch the Pokemon anime ( no I don't remember what episode it was) and I've pretty much been hooked ever since (except when I left when RS was released, but I came back as soon as I found out about FRLG, so it's all good).
But anyway, I stated playing the games because I wanted to be just like Ash and do what he did. The first game I played was Yellow in April of 2000. By that time, Marril, Togepi and Snubble had already been reveled, so I was expected them in the game.
Obviously that wasn't the case, and so I was a little under whelmed there, but otherwise I loved the game.
When GS came out I was pretty stoked, since I could get all the new Pokemon and what not, and on Christmas on 2000 I got Pokemon Silver. And then I played it. And I was in love.
As I went through the game I kept thinking, "man, this is awesome, but if they had of done XXX&____ it would have been so much better".
And while most of the things I wanted have been realized in some form or another since GS, HGSS now needs them.
Now, I want everyone (especially you younger fans that didn't start playing until RS or DP) to realize one thing.
(The original ) Pokemon Gold and Silver were and are "Pokemon 2".
They are sequels to Pokemon Red and Blue, and THAT is why they're so horrible.
9/10 years ago nobody gave a shit that the games were shit, because everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) just wanted more POKEMANZ. Kids because they were fans, and adults because they wanted their kids to shut the fuck up and quit harassing them about some silly GameBoy game.
Now, don't get me wrong, GS were my favorite games so far, and I have been (and probably always will be) very nostalgic about them.
{I went ahead and bolded that so we don't have any trouble}
But the games were shit, and I've gonna tell you why.
1 First off, They were sequels.
Generation 2 was fundamentally different from every other generation because they were sequels. Their purpose was to duplicate the success of the original games, and just examining the plot and the rest of the game shows that. In fact, they were originally announced in Japan as “Pokemon 2”. “Pokemon 2 is the ‘Pokemon’ a second time. Just like the Sandlot 2 (Side note, They ruined an epic film with that sequel)
2 They were rushed sequels.
While I don't have quite enough support for this claim, if you examine the GS rom you can find chuck of unused data, and quite a few unused areas.. The safari zone comes to mind here.
3 Story wise, it’s Kanto’s second coming
This is partly true, since in reality the story of every game is basically the same, though at least in every other Gen. they’ve come up with a new Gang. Recycling and continuing the Rocket Gang plot had a lot of potential, but that potential went unrealized in my opinion.
4 TEE HEE, IMMA LOT STRONGER THAN YOU LEADERS!!! ;D
The Gym Leaders were horribly under leveled.
There isn’t really a lot to say here, so I’ll let facts speak for themselves.
RB- 1st Gym, Brock- Geodude Lvl 12, and Onix Lvl 14
RB- 8th Gym, Giovanni- Rhyhorn Lvl 45, Dugtrio Lvl 42, Nidoqueen Lvl 44, Nidoking Lvl 45, and Rhydon Lvl 50
RB Elite 4 Low/High- Lorelei’s Cloyster Lvl 53/ Lance’s Dragonite Lvl 62
Champion (Gary) Alakazam Lvl 59 / Starter Lvl 65
GS1st Gym, Falkner-Pidgey Lvl 7 and Pidgeotto Lvl 9
GS 8th Gym, Clair- Dragonair Lvl 37, Dragonair Lvl 37, Kingdra Lvl40 , and Dragonair Lvl 37
GS Elite 4 Low/High- Will’s Xatu Lvl 40/ Karen’s Houndoom Lvl 47 Champion (Lance) Gyrados Lvl 44/ Dragonite Lvl 50
GS Kanto leaders [Forthcoming, These aren’t in my guidebook]
GS does have Red with Lvl 70 or higher Pokemon, but Do take into account that IMO there was no place to Level up your Pokemon TO Beat him. I was never able to defeat Red.
Btw, LOL @ Lance’s Dragonite LOSING 12 levels after 3 years.
5 WTF, LETTAR POGEYMANZ?
Why create Unown and a plot for them if you’re only going to [BARELY] scratch the surface?
Again, tons of potential wasted.
6 Where are the NEW POGEYMANZ? ;^;
GS introduced 100 new Pokemon, and yet brought more focus to the original 150. My favorite example of this is Houndhour, whom you couldn’t catch until you beat the Elite 4 and got to ROUTE 7 outside of CELADON CITY. IN KANTO. Another great example of this is that trainer outside of Goldenrod City who uses a Bulbasaur. It was a new game in a new region, with new Pokemon, why were they secondary to the old ones?
Because it was a sequel, and they didn’t want to take away the Pokemon that everyone had grown to love. Though Generation’s 3 and 4 did do what GS should’ve done; focus on the new Pokemon, and region.
But again, that’s because they weren’t sequels.
That's all I have at the moment, but I just wanted to post this, so people can see why I'm against HGSS being complete carbon copy of GS.
Why should I or anyone else play a shitty game a second time?
Everyone else, go ahead and post the other reasons GS was underwhelming.
And please. If you didn't actually play the game, don't post.
I don't want this to be a flame war, I just want people to see where I'm coming from.
So, let me start by saying I've been a Pokemon fan since /January or February of 1999 (damn, I'm old XD)
I used to get up Weekday mornings and watch Doug (if you don't know it, look it up, it was a great cartoon).
One day I just happened to catch the Pokemon anime ( no I don't remember what episode it was) and I've pretty much been hooked ever since (except when I left when RS was released, but I came back as soon as I found out about FRLG, so it's all good).
But anyway, I stated playing the games because I wanted to be just like Ash and do what he did. The first game I played was Yellow in April of 2000. By that time, Marril, Togepi and Snubble had already been reveled, so I was expected them in the game.
Obviously that wasn't the case, and so I was a little under whelmed there, but otherwise I loved the game.
When GS came out I was pretty stoked, since I could get all the new Pokemon and what not, and on Christmas on 2000 I got Pokemon Silver. And then I played it. And I was in love.
As I went through the game I kept thinking, "man, this is awesome, but if they had of done XXX&____ it would have been so much better".
And while most of the things I wanted have been realized in some form or another since GS, HGSS now needs them.
Now, I want everyone (especially you younger fans that didn't start playing until RS or DP) to realize one thing.
(The original ) Pokemon Gold and Silver were and are "Pokemon 2".
They are sequels to Pokemon Red and Blue, and THAT is why they're so horrible.
9/10 years ago nobody gave a shit that the games were shit, because everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) just wanted more POKEMANZ. Kids because they were fans, and adults because they wanted their kids to shut the fuck up and quit harassing them about some silly GameBoy game.
Now, don't get me wrong, GS were my favorite games so far, and I have been (and probably always will be) very nostalgic about them.
{I went ahead and bolded that so we don't have any trouble}
But the games were shit, and I've gonna tell you why.
1 First off, They were sequels.
Generation 2 was fundamentally different from every other generation because they were sequels. Their purpose was to duplicate the success of the original games, and just examining the plot and the rest of the game shows that. In fact, they were originally announced in Japan as “Pokemon 2”. “Pokemon 2 is the ‘Pokemon’ a second time. Just like the Sandlot 2 (Side note, They ruined an epic film with that sequel)
2 They were rushed sequels.
While I don't have quite enough support for this claim, if you examine the GS rom you can find chuck of unused data, and quite a few unused areas.. The safari zone comes to mind here.
3 Story wise, it’s Kanto’s second coming
This is partly true, since in reality the story of every game is basically the same, though at least in every other Gen. they’ve come up with a new Gang. Recycling and continuing the Rocket Gang plot had a lot of potential, but that potential went unrealized in my opinion.
4 TEE HEE, IMMA LOT STRONGER THAN YOU LEADERS!!! ;D
The Gym Leaders were horribly under leveled.
There isn’t really a lot to say here, so I’ll let facts speak for themselves.
RB- 1st Gym, Brock- Geodude Lvl 12, and Onix Lvl 14
RB- 8th Gym, Giovanni- Rhyhorn Lvl 45, Dugtrio Lvl 42, Nidoqueen Lvl 44, Nidoking Lvl 45, and Rhydon Lvl 50
RB Elite 4 Low/High- Lorelei’s Cloyster Lvl 53/ Lance’s Dragonite Lvl 62
Champion (Gary) Alakazam Lvl 59 / Starter Lvl 65
GS1st Gym, Falkner-Pidgey Lvl 7 and Pidgeotto Lvl 9
GS 8th Gym, Clair- Dragonair Lvl 37, Dragonair Lvl 37, Kingdra Lvl40 , and Dragonair Lvl 37
GS Elite 4 Low/High- Will’s Xatu Lvl 40/ Karen’s Houndoom Lvl 47 Champion (Lance) Gyrados Lvl 44/ Dragonite Lvl 50
GS Kanto leaders [Forthcoming, These aren’t in my guidebook]
GS does have Red with Lvl 70 or higher Pokemon, but Do take into account that IMO there was no place to Level up your Pokemon TO Beat him. I was never able to defeat Red.
Btw, LOL @ Lance’s Dragonite LOSING 12 levels after 3 years.
5 WTF, LETTAR POGEYMANZ?
Why create Unown and a plot for them if you’re only going to [BARELY] scratch the surface?
Again, tons of potential wasted.
6 Where are the NEW POGEYMANZ? ;^;
GS introduced 100 new Pokemon, and yet brought more focus to the original 150. My favorite example of this is Houndhour, whom you couldn’t catch until you beat the Elite 4 and got to ROUTE 7 outside of CELADON CITY. IN KANTO. Another great example of this is that trainer outside of Goldenrod City who uses a Bulbasaur. It was a new game in a new region, with new Pokemon, why were they secondary to the old ones?
Because it was a sequel, and they didn’t want to take away the Pokemon that everyone had grown to love. Though Generation’s 3 and 4 did do what GS should’ve done; focus on the new Pokemon, and region.
But again, that’s because they weren’t sequels.
That's all I have at the moment, but I just wanted to post this, so people can see why I'm against HGSS being complete carbon copy of GS.
Why should I or anyone else play a shitty game a second time?
Everyone else, go ahead and post the other reasons GS was underwhelming.
And please. If you didn't actually play the game, don't post.
I don't want this to be a flame war, I just want people to see where I'm coming from.
