HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the long

[BulbaBot]

HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the long-awaited ...

It has been nearly a decade since the North American release of Pokémon Gold and Silver. It has also been nearly a decade since Game Freak and Nintendo have wowed me with a new installment of the series.

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[Amewsment]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Interesting review though I disagree with a fair amount of points already and I haven't even played HG or SS...

 

[ShadyWolf]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Maybe my memory's failing me (and it probably is), but since when were editorials like this news-worthy?

 

[Puppet]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

I agree with ShadyWolf. Bulbapedia is a Wiki. Not a reveiw site. Or a blog.

I don't think it should be a place to post opinions on the Remake.
I love the remake, as do many many others. Biased opinions like this kinda ruin the mood for people when they read it. It did for me. ):
~Hugs Soul Silver~ People should cherish their opinions, good or bad but not push it upon others.

I'd love to hear your opinion, but not directly on the wiki. Maybe make a thread and discuss it. That would be really fun! <3

 

[Kevzo8]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

I agree with ShadyWolf. Bulbapedia is a Wiki. Not a reveiw site. Or a blog.

I don't think it should be a place to post opinions on the Remake.
I love the remake, as do many many others. Biased opinions like this kinda ruin the mood for people when they read it. It did for me. ):
~Hugs Soul Silver~ People should cherish their opinions, good or bad but not push it upon others.

Yup yup. Bulbapedia is a Wiki. However, this is Bulbanews. Bulbanews is a community newspaper. And newspapers have editorials.

To inform you guys, before, Bulbanews columnists and editors make various columns and editorials. However, they didn't have the time to make it anymore and gradually stopped.

Plus, look at the top of all the pages in Bulbanews. o_o

 

[KronosClownz]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Bulbanews is a paper, therefore reviews are possible.

 

[Soulweaver]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

I stopped reading after the mocking of Gen III. I'd take it if it was pointed as an opinion, but with that tone like it was a fact, it's nothing more than a big lie. RS improved the series in many senses; I won't write them down here, hope you'll figure them out yourself.

Mind you, Sapphire is the only game in which I currently have over 999:59 game time. I enjoyed RS and didn't really see any "serious problems".

 

[Water-Type King Tom]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Mind you, Sapphire is the only game in which I currently have over 999:59 game time. I enjoyed RS and didn't really see any "serious problems".

+1 Gen III was good there was nothing wrong with it and
+1 for the 999:59 hours

 

[KronosClownz]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

I played Diamond for 150 hours.

 

[*Jirachi*]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

This kind of pissed me off and made me sad. There was so much mocking of newer Pokégens [III and IV].
I really can`t stand the fact why most people are so attached with the 2 first Pokémon generations.
Don`t get me wrong. I like em. But sometimes these nostalgia lovers are really harsh when they are talking about newer games and monsters.

I started with Sapphire. I can`t stand what`s so wonderful about R/B/Y or G/S/C. I have only played their remakes. And I like them. HeartGold and SoulSilver will introduce the world of Johto to me first time. They seem really amazing games.

I really loved 4th generation of Pokémon. The games were amazing. Anime too. I liked most of the Pokémon too.
What I really hate about generation 2 is just that thing what this guy`s saying is the best thing: They keep those games and Pokémon too much same. I mean, the Pokémon are quite same. The evil team is same. There is too much similiar things.
But still, I know that I`m gonna love Johto. Not in their original forms, but their remakes.

The nostalgia freaks needs to understand, that Pokémon is going to evolve. If you are so keen on the older games that you can`t accept new features or Pokémon, you should leave the series. Pokémon evolves all the time. And that`s good.

 

[Sketch]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Maybe my memory's failing me (and it probably is), but since when were editorials like this news-worthy?

We have had plenty of editorials before...

 

[Mitchman]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

No problem for editorials, some problems for editorials in love with the second gen and before with hate for the 3rd gen and forward. I'm not saying that I love em, I'm just saying while the 4th gen feels experimental, Johto being more varied and imaginative then Hoenn is bullshit. Hoenn falls the most into that category, from a jungle town, to a volcano side town, to a town in the middle of a fucking crate in the middle of the fucking ocean. I mean seriously Johto is small, has lots of forgettable routes, and the most memorable area has to be the area introduced in HGSS on the island Cianwood is on just cause of its difference in comparison to Johto's other areas. I'm not going to say I'm not biased, oh no I am. I have useless niggles for every gen, excluding the 1st cause its the lowest point, the starting ground, so it can have its problems. But for gen 2 and its feel of similarity(Kanto 2.0 ffs), Gen 3 and how the games didn't feel completely right(asthetically and in the gameplay) and gen4 with the experimental feel, the wrongest way to deal with games(it went from shit slow, to normal to normal when they should have had it like that from the beginning, and the damn squareness of DP), its the complete disregard to give the recent 2 gens any respect when they clearly deserve some, is where I get angry at.

 

[Thingamajig]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

I don't mind that there's an Editorial per se, but if you're going to state that Gen III is flawed in a matter-of-factly sort of tone, then at least give some reasons why. Same with "Gold and Silver perfected the series... because they added the most." What was this 'most', exactly?

It's nice to see some editorials as part of the online newspaper, but not if they're filled with this sort of unsubstantiated criticism.

 

[Joshawott]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

This doesn't belong on BulbaNEWS. News is objective and fact, Reviews are subjective and opinion. And this one in particular, doesn't have any real supporting evidence for the opinions, it's just a big 'Gen I and II > All' . It lacks any depth, reviews are supposed to go hand-in-hand with critical analysis, which this isn't.

Sure, newspapers have reviews of movies and stuff, but it's never mixed with the normal news, they're in their own section (before the Agony Aunt or Sex Doctor sections...let's have one of those too!). Maybe have an additional section for editorials?

 

[NyaChan]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

I started with Sapphire. I can`t stand what`s so wonderful about R/B/Y or G/S/C. I have only played their remakes. And I like them. HeartGold and SoulSilver will introduce the world of Johto to me first time. They seem really amazing games.

Bolded is why you can't understand what we see in Gen1/2. For most of us that prefer Gen1/2, it was our childhood, I can definitely say such is true for me. It doesn't just provide the "old game" sort of flavored nostalgia, it also brings us back to our childhood.

IMO, you guys should stop going off and bashing Gen1/2 because this guy bashed Gen3/4. Personally I don't like Gen3 (as for Hoenn? aurgh I want it dead, it annoyed me more than it kept me entertained), but I wouldn't really say it's the 'worst' of the series, merely that it was my least favorite. The writer for this may have gone a bit far but at the same time this is his opinion so don't let it bother your or change yours.

Plus, btw guys, there is no "tone of voice". No one is talking, thus there cannot be a tone of voice unless you're imagining it that way.

 

[Mitchman]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Bolded is why you can't understand what we see in Gen1/2. For most of us that prefer Gen1/2, it was our childhood, I can definitely say such is true for me. It doesn't just provide the "old game" sort of flavored nostalgia, it also brings us back to our childhood.

And a lot of us that can't understand why you love gen 1/2 so much is us that actually grew up with it as well, and don't have nostalgia fogging or minds up like they were Jesus. And while it does bring us to our childhood, doesn't make the games good. I just played silver yesterday and couldn't stand it cause the games aren't all they are said to be. They are still GB games and are and always will be flawed.

 

[NyaChan]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

And a lot of us that can't understand why you love gen 1/2 so much is us that actually grew up with it as well, and don't have nostalgia fogging or minds up like they were Jesus. And while it does bring us to our childhood, doesn't make the games good. I just played silver yesterday and couldn't stand it cause the games aren't all they are said to be. They are still GB games and are and always will be flawed.

Change "GB" to "GBA" or "DS" and you can apply the same to every pokémon game or even every game ever for that matter, just change the system name. I liked Gen4, however Gen3 didn't click with me. I take it for what it is and don't let nostalgia get in the way for everything. Yes, I adore HGSS and GSC were the most enjoyable for me until I started playing SS back in September, but does that honestly mean I'm distracted by nostalgia because I dislike Gen3? I like Gen4, and not just the return to Johto but also Sinnoh. I really dislike how the moment you prefer Gen1/2 over Gen3/4 you're automatically labeled as one of those whose nostalgia levels are so high they cry the "THERE ARE ONLY 151/252 POKéMON".

Maybe we just prefer the pokémon (aesthetically or otherwise), or the region. Maybe even the player characters. Why does that make it any different than liking another generation?

 

[*Jirachi*]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Bolded is why you can't understand what we see in Gen1/2. For most of us that prefer Gen1/2, it was our childhood, I can definitely say such is true for me. It doesn't just provide the "old game" sort of flavored nostalgia, it also brings us back to our childhood.

IMO, you guys should stop going off and bashing Gen1/2 because this guy bashed Gen3/4. Personally I don't like Gen3 (as for Hoenn? aurgh I want it dead, it annoyed me more than it kept me entertained), but I wouldn't really say it's the 'worst' of the series, merely that it was my least favorite. The writer for this may have gone a bit far but at the same time this is his opinion so don't let it bother your or change yours.

Plus, btw guys, there is no "tone of voice". No one is talking, thus there cannot be a tone of voice unless you're imagining it that way.

I don`t bash Gen 1/2. I have been Pokémon fan since -99 and I`m really familiar with Generation 1 [Gen 2 not so much but I still know the Pokés and the story of Gold/Silver].
I see these guys [who always say that Gen 1 and 2 were best.] are always saying that "it was part of their childhood." Well, Pokémon was part of my childhood also. I was six when Pokémon came to Finland. I loved it.
Many here seems to think, that if you like Gen 3 and 4 you must hate Gen 1 and 2 and vice versa.
Well, I like em all. But in the terms of games, I like 3 and 4 more. They seem much more evolved in my eyes. That`s because I started with newer game of course. When I got Sapphire I was 10.

But I mean.. saying that the games were part of your childhood is the reason why you love those games so much. It`s kind of lame excuse. Unless there were nothing but Pokémon in your lives when you were little.

And speaking about this guys opinion. It was really harsh. He even bashed the remakes, really much. Can someone really say, that G/S/C is better than HG/SS?
However, I know what you gonna say. "Yes, because they were part of our childhood".

I really don`t know what I could say. There seems to be aways a battle when new Pokémon generation comes around. And there always seems to be those, who really can`t stand anything but the old school games.
I mean, the fanbase of Pokémon is really strange. We always want new features, but when they come, we start complaining.

I guess that`s the rule how fandom works. It`s kind of sad actually.

 

[Joshawott]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

I was around for R/B/Y/G/S/C era and even I can't see why everyone hangs on to Gen I/II so much. Think about it, we have the games now (FR/LG, HG/SS) with improved graphics (R/B's graphics were TERRIBLE, some of the sprites didn't even look like the Pokémon), improved battle system, and new features, the most important being WI-FI TRADING AND BATTLING. And heck, Generation I was full of glitches.

The only thing that made the first 2 generations 'better' wasn't because of the games, it was the fact that Pokémon was the 'in' thing, and it didn't make you a social reject if you liked the games.

I LOVED my Pokémon Red to bits, and when I got the 'File data is destroyed' bit I was distraught. However, I also loved Pokémon Ruby when I first played it, I loved Pokémon Emerald. The third generation is the whipping boy of Pokémon, but it really did bring us a lot - new berries, new moves, re-done programming, natures, wireless battling.

Generation IV has been the most innovative with the introduction of the Wi-Fi Connection. Sure, the Global Terminal is full of spam, but you can still have decent direct trades. Battling has created a whole new area for the Pokémon fandom. We got the Physical/Special split, which was a welcomed change, and now we're slowly growing into the 3rd dimension.

So to say Generation II is better than HeartGold/SoulSilver is subjective nostalgia. We have almost EVERYTHING from Generation II, PLUS highly improved graphics, Wi-Fi Connection, ability to get newer Pokémon, natures, more specialised berries, wireless trading and battling, physical-special split, and the Pokéwalker (which is a great idea!). The only things we're missing is decorating rooms (oh well, no biggy) and Mystery Gift (although I hear something similar can be done with the Pokéwalker)

 

[Soulweaver]

Re: HeartGold and SoulSilver- a return to form or a lazy rehash?: An analysis of the

Plus, btw guys, there is no "tone of voice". No one is talking, thus there cannot be a tone of voice unless you're imagining it that way.

The text reflects the thoughts of the writer, thus the writer's tone can be read from the text.

And I didn't bash Gen I/II either. I just said that bashing Gen III was pointless and was based on... nothing really. The editorial says "RS sucked, you know it, that's the truth" - this isn't expressed as an opinion, it's expressed as a fact.