Help Assembling BT team?

[Kikatsu]

Ive been trying battle tower out, and i need help assembling a team... In single, i can only beat 2 sets of seven trainers before im killed. Help in best combinations, or better movesets?

teams:


Porygon-Z@Expert belt:

signal beam
thunderbolt
tri-attack
psybeam

Dragonite@sitrus berry

fly
dragon dance
roost
aquatail

Rhypherior@shellbell

earthquake
rock wrecker
horn drill
megahorn

lucario@black belt:

aura sphere (duh)
psychic
close combat
dragon pulse

 

[milkdrinker]

you could replace tri attack on porygon z wiht ice beam, but either way they both work. the other problem i see here is the lack of speed. bp team will kill you if you dont get some speed

 

[Tina]

you could replace tri attack on porygon z wiht ice beam

what

Why would you give up the best special Normal move that gives you STAB? o_o

 

[milkdrinker]

mabey ice beam can totally destroy salamence, dragonite, flygon, garchomp, rayquaza,all popular choices, and so on with the propor training, if they dont kill you first, also as i said, YOU COULD. it is not my game. also, hyper beam is better... and, what good is the expert belt if one of your moves will never be super effective?

 

[Pika25]

rayquaza,

Rayquaza is obviously banned from BT.
Replace Psybeam with Ice Beam. Tri-Attack does just about the same to Koffings, Tyrogue etc, as Psybeam does.
Or Signal Beam for same reason, except Turtwig, Tangela, Umbreon etc.
Just depends on whether Croagunk (4x Psychic weak) or Shiftry (4x Bug weak), say, bothers you more

edit: The 4x Bug weaks are Grass/Dark (like Shiftry) or Grass/Psychic (like Exeggutor) so they are 2x Ice weak. Signal Beam seems to be the move to replace.

 

[ShinyFlareon]

also, hyper beam is better... and, what good is the expert belt if one of your moves will never be super effective?

1. Tri-Attack doesn't leave you vulnerable for a turn after using it, like Hyper Beam does. Besides, it has a base power of 80 -- coupled with the ability Adaptability, any moves that get STAB are boosted by X2, rather than X1.5. So in essence, Tri-Attack is a base 160 power, STABbed, 100% accurate move. Combine that with Porygon-Z's impressive base special attack stat of 135 and, say, Choice Specs, Life Orb, or even a Silk Scarf, and that's putting some major pain on everything, even things that resist normal.

2. Expert Belt allows you to switch attacks, unlike Choice items, and despite the fact that Normal is super-effective against nothing, the sheer power of Tri-Attack (as I outlined above) compensates for this. The other three moves, which don't get STAB, won't be boosted by Adaptability, the the Expert Belt allows for versatility as well as lending that extra punch to moves that hit other things Super Effectively.

Anyway...definitely replace Psybeam. Psychic gets a lot of neutral coverage, but other things can cover a wider range of types for Super Effective damage. If possible, try and use Hidden Power Fighting, otherwise Heatran (who IS allowed in the BT) will wall you all day long. It helps against Tyranitar, too.

Take the Black Belt off your Lucario -- all it's doing is powering up Aura Sphere and Close Combat. Ditch Psychic or Dragon Pulse for Shadow Ball. Fighting/Ghost gives perfect coverage. If it's allowed (I forget), try putting an Expert Belt on this, too, because of that fact.

If you're confident enough with Horn Drill's pathetic and changable accuracy to take your chances, then be my guest. Not having used a Rhyperior before, though, I can't really suggest what to put in it's place.

Your Dragonite looks all right.

 

[Shiny Noctowl]

1. Tri-Attack doesn't leave you vulnerable for a turn after using it, like Hyper Beam does. Besides, it has a base power of 80 -- coupled with the ability Adaptability, any moves that get STAB are boosted by X2, rather than X1.5. So in essence, Tri-Attack is a base 160 power, STABbed, 100% accurate move.

Unless you get KOed after the first attack because Porygon-Z's defenses are horrible. After Nasty Plot, Modest Adaptability Life Orb Porygon-Z's Hyper Beam OHKOs Blissey. No other special sweeper can OHKO Blissey after only one turn of set-up.

 

[ShinyFlareon]

Unless you get KOed after the first attack because Porygon-Z's defenses are horrible. After Nasty Plot, Modest Adaptability Life Orb Porygon-Z's Hyper Beam OHKOs Blissey. No other special sweeper can OHKO Blissey after only one turn of set-up.

And there's no risk of getting KOed in the turn between Nasty Plotting and firing off that Hyper Beam? Or after the Hyper Beam hits and KOs something (I know it's a really powerful move, I'm not arguing that it's not) and a revenge killer to come in and KO you while you're left unable to attack? Tri-Attack I simply see as a safer option, and it can reach that level of power with no setup. Though it might not hit quite as hard, it still hits pretty damn hard.

 

[Shinx3000]

Dragonite@sitrus berry

fly
dragon dance
roost
aquatail

Dragonite without a dragon move won't be that great. Watsh the point of a dragon if its not used as a dragon? Give it outrage and make it hold a lum or the berry that snaps it out of confusion. Give it a high attack and speed. Flamethrower and icebeam are good moves for it to for a varied move pool.

 

[Cheesus Is Lord]

Ok, let's compare Hyper Beam and Tri Attack. Assuming you can pull off two Tri Attacks against one Pokemon, (don't discount Pory-z's defenses, I use one and he can take a hit or two - just not much) then you hit with effective 320 power over two turns. If you use Hyper Beam, you hit with effective 225 power over two turns, because Hyper Beam forces you to recharge. Plus, over those two turns, Hyper Beam allows you to take out a maximum of one Pokemon, whereas if all goes well, Tri Attack can let you take out two.

Dragonite without a dragon move won't be that great. Watsh the point of a dragon if its not used as a dragon? Give it outrage and make it hold a lum or the berry that snaps it out of confusion. Give it a high attack and speed. Flamethrower and icebeam are good moves for it to for a varied move pool.

Don't give things Outrage in double battles because you can't target it. It's very helpful to be able to target the more threatening one, or whatever you think is best for your team, rather than just randomly attacking. It also lets your partner pick their target more carefully. The main question I have is, is Aqua Tail worth it? Flying+Fighting gives some great type coverage, but requires you to have Platinum for Superpower and I'm not sure how much you want to take those attack drops, seeing as how the opponent will not give you many chances to dragon dance. I want to suggest Earthquake, as that also gives very good coverage here, but none of the rest of your team are immune, and half is weak. This is also something you might want to look into.

 

[Kikatsu]

haha, thanks everyone for the advice given so far! it helps! my current lead for battle tower is the porygon-z, which i EV trained in speed, some defense, and special attack. i know my dragonite's move set sucks LOL so ill change it to whatever is most popular amoung you people.

 

[Kikatsu]

Just depends on whether Croagunk (4x Psychic weak) or Shiftry (4x Bug weak), say, bothers you more

edit: The 4x Bug weaks are Grass/Dark (like Shiftry) or Grass/Psychic (like Exeggutor) so they are 2x Ice weak. Signal Beam seems to be the move to replace.

Good point...

but are croagunks a big threat in Battle tower? ive never seen one, but ive never worked with one, so its beyond me if this is a strong opponent.

 

[ShinyFlareon]

Good point...

but are croagunks a big threat in Battle tower? ive never seen one, but ive never worked with one, so its beyond me if this is a strong opponent.

Toxicroak can pretty formidable, much more so (IMO) than Shiftry. But the only person I know who uses a Toxicroak is Wiil, and though his kicks ass, I don't think a lot of other people use it.

 

[Shiny Noctowl]

Ok, let's compare Hyper Beam and Tri Attack. Assuming you can pull off two Tri Attacks against one Pokemon, (don't discount Pory-z's defenses, I use one and he can take a hit or two - just not much) then you hit with effective 320 power over two turns. If you use Hyper Beam, you hit with effective 225 power over two turns, because Hyper Beam forces you to recharge. Plus, over those two turns, Hyper Beam allows you to take out a maximum of one Pokemon, whereas if all goes well, Tri Attack can let you take out two.

That's assuming you can stay alive that long. With Life Orb recoil and Porygon-Z's defenses, it will usually go down after one attack, and if it's already been damaged (as it probably was during the turn it used Nasty Plot), it'll certainly go down. Furthermore, after a Nasty Plot, Hyper Beam's effective base power is 150*2*2*1.3=780. Coupled with Porygon-Z's insane Special Attack, a Modest nature, and 252 Sp.Atk. EVs, that can OHKO Blissey! No other special sweeper can OHKO Blissey after a single turn of setup. On the other hand, Tri Attack only does about 50% with the same setup.

 

[Cheesus Is Lord]

Yes, but why are you attacking Blissey with a special sweeper in a double battle? And 50% against Blissey with a special move is enough to do craptons of damage to a non-Blissey. What's better: one Blissey that you could also hit with physical attacks, or two other Pokemon?