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hey, my team is a work in progress at the moment, and before i get onto some serious training i was wondering what all you guys thought, and also some suggestions would be useful.
i need help with the items, i have used this team in a few battles now and they've been pretty awsome.

Scizor

evs-252 attack 4 defence 252 speed
technician.
silver powder.
bullet punch
x-scissor
swords dance
baton pass


Blaziken

evs-att 128, spc att 128, spd 252
charcoal
flare blitz
sky uppercut
stone edge
thunder punch

Gengar

evs-4 hp, 252 special attack, 252 speed.
wide lens
shadow ball
sludge bomb
focus blast
thunder bolt

Lapras

evs-128 hp, 128 sp def, 252 sp att
shell bell
surf
ice beam
rest
sleep talk

Dragonite

expert belt/life orb
evs-4 hp, 252 attack, 252 speed
outrage
dragon dance
brick break
fire punch


Torterra

evs-252 hp, 252 attack, 4 def
focus band
wood hammer
earthquake
stealth rock
leech seed

my scizor is amazing as both a phsyical sweeper and a baton passer onto dragonite, blazekin or torterra. lapras works as as both a tank and special sweeper, and then gengar for some speed and another special sweeper

i know there is a lack of defence and walls but i'm simply a very offensive battler

anymore ideas?

and thankyou very much to wiil (sorry for being stubborn about fly, i definatly see your point now) and improv (for tips and for the gengar)

thanks very much :)
 
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both really, i'm not a hard-core competetive, but i do have a fair few battles, but i also use it as an in game team, hence the fly and surf.

im now thinking a gengar instead of torterra, because i could use a fast pokemon
 
Things like Fly are hardly ever going to work in competitive. It needs to come off of Dragonite. Torterra's set is horrible. Torterra's a physical Pokémon, not special. If you're gonna use a Grass-type move, use Wood Hammer.
 
yeah im now definatly thinking of a gengar, and fly is somtimes surprisingly useful, because it's unexpected people dont know how to counter it, especially if it's been batoned after some swords dances from scizor

any ideas for a moveset for gengar?
 
...people always know how to counter it. It's called switching. That's why it's so bad.

Gengar can go a few ways, but the easiest to train and breed is this:

Gengar
Nature: Timid
EVs: 6 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
~ Shadow Ball
~ Thunderbolt
~ Focus Blast
~ Explosion

Item changes: Scizor to Leftovers, Blaziken to Choice Scarf, Tyranitar to Leftovers, Lapras to Leftovers, Dragonite to Life Orb, and Torterra to Leftovers.

Moveset changes: Do you have Technician or Swarm on Scizor? If it's Technician, change Iron Head to Bullet Punch. Blaziken should definitely dump Blast Burn (anything that's like Hyper Beam is horrible) and Brave Bird in favor of moves that give it more coverage. Switch Flamethrower to, say, Flare Blitz, and give it Stone Edge and... Earthquake will do. If you really want to run Stealth Rock on Tyranitar, fine, but change Aerial Ace; anything you'd use it against will kill you. Earthquake will be fine. Lapras is fine. Dragonite should have Fire Punch over Fly (Or Fire Blast but Fire Punch will be easier on your EV spread). Torterra will be the better user of Stealth Rock. You can try Earthquake/Wood Hammer or Seed Bomb/Stealth Rock/Leech Seed (that's what I run).

You need to post natures.
 
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i know, but even if it's not very effective, after a couple of swords dances and the stab it still does a lot of damage, and with the speed evs, it usually attacks first next go and can then use brick break as people usually switch in a rock, steel or ice type to take the fly damage
anyway it's worked for me a few times :) and i'm pretty un-experienced so i probably dont know what i'm talking about lol

for gengar that looks great, i was definatly gonna go with shadow ball and focus blast, im not entirely sure about explotion, tell me if this is stupid but i was toying with the idea of mean look to deal with baton passers?
 
Your opponent's going to see the Swords Dance and know it's physical. They'll send in something physically bulky that resists Fly. It won't do much.

Gengar doesn't do well with it because it's not bulky enough. If you want to use Mean Look, try Mismagius with Will-O-Wisp.
 
i spose, i guess i havent been playing with very smart opponents, however, it is endlessly usefull in game.

yeah thats true actually thanks, i think i will make gengar just a complete special sweeper, what about energy ball?

how does the rest of the team look by the way?
 
I wouldn't go with Avalanche on Lapras, because of the Sp. Atk investment.
I've never been a fan of Torterra, and if you're going to use a Grass type, I'd reccomend SporeSeedSubPunch Breloom, or my personal favourite, Swords Dance Leafeon.

I'd listen to Wiil though, he does know what he's talking about.
 
im now toying with an electivire, i think with the right moveset it could deal some serious damage, and would help with the water weakness
 
Haha, thanks Improv, but you had some good suggestions too. No Avalanche on Lapras is right; Ice Beam is better since you're going special. Torterra fits well with Tyranitar, but it's not your best option. If you want a Grass-type for sandstorm, you have two options: Breloom (Like Improv said, but make sure it has Poison Heal and Toxic Orb, so after you take damage from the sandstorm, you will be healed with Poison Heal) or Cradily (EXCELLENT special sponge in a sandstorm. Extremely annoying when used correctly). Speaking of compatibility with Tyranitar, Dragonite and Lapras aren't exactly great on a sand team. To use their sandstorm-immune counterparts, you have Flygon (Can't use Dragon Dance, but give it a Choice Band, and it's a beast) and Swampert (There's your Stealth Rocker right there; excellent Pokémon). Many people say to use Vaporeon on a sandstorm team, which makes perfect sense because... well, think about it. Rock, Ground, and Steel are immune to sandstorm. 2 of those 3 are weak to Water. Vaporeon can switch in on those Water-type attacks and heal. It can also provide some team support with Wish.
 
Lead with Blaziken, switch to Lapras if there's an incoming Water attack, switch to Electivire if you think there's an electric attack coming?
It could work :D

Edit: Completely forgot about sandstream o.0
 
I notice that some of your EV spreads are 255/255. When an EV value is not divisible by four, the extra becomes worthless. In other words, if you change those to 252/252, you get an extra six (effectively four) for another stat. You should look through this and change all the spreads that have values not divisible by four.

What I see is:
255 -> 252
130 -> 128
125 -> 124
And put the extra you get into some other stat.
 
wiil- very good point about the sandstorm. i have had problems with this in the past, because tyranitar doesnt usually last very long, more of a OHKO sweeper, then usually faints from a fighting hit. a swapert and a mamoswine could work very well, and also your cradily suggestion is very good, i shall have a look into it.

improv- i usually lead with scizor for swords dance baton passes, because of his 1 weakness, and switch to dragonite or lapras if a fire appears. but your right my blakekin has got very good coverage and would work well, could you think of a 4th move instead of brave bird? fire covers grass and bug so theres not much point other than fighting types.


cheesus is lord- very very cool name :) lol and good point about the ev's, i'll edit them now.
 
ThunderPunch, Night Slash, Agility, Swords Dance, Reversal, Earthquake?
You could even turn him into another Baton Passer ;D

Moves in bold require breeding, afaik.
 
have just edited the posted team on here, let me know what you think now :)
 
I suggest maybe giving Dragonite a Persim Berry so when it gets confused it will just eat that and it won't get confused either that or a Dragon Fang
 
Focus Sash, Choice Specs or Wide Lens on Gengar.
Wide Lens will help with Focus Blast's shoddy accuracy, but Choice Specs could boost it's Sp. Atk as high as 590.

..I think.
 
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yeah that could work, confusion could be deadly after my attack has been raised
or perhaps a kings rock? though im not sure which moves it would work one
outrage and brick break?

oh and improv, very good suggestions thankyou, im thinking choice specs and i think gengar's strength is with his type coverage, and the accuracy raise with it would be very useful
 
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