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As we know, in GSC there were many items that are no longer available in newer games. There is a heated debate about what will be done with them. I think this deserves separate thread. I'll also put my speculations about those.
Apricorns - Those seem to be least troublesome ones (not counting Key Items). They might simply be put into an "Apricorn Case" in the bag (similar to Poffin Case in DPPt) so they can't be given to Pokemon. However, even if Apricorns themselves aren't the problem, the Balls are.
Kurt's (Poke)Balls - Those seem to be the most troublesome ones, yet the most needed ones. We've been waiting 10 years to see them again. And we can't be sure if we'll get to see them again. Of course, there's no need to make Pokemon hold Balls (it would solve the trading problem) but the REAL problem is - what happens if a Pokemon is caught in it and gets traded to DPPt? I think it wouldn't be a pain if they made it change into a normal Pokeball upon trading. It would certainly be better than scrapping them. And no, it would make NO SENSE for Kurt to be making Hoenn Balls!
Ragecandybar - I'm calling the same treatment as Griseous Orb. Scrapping this item would make no sense. Hell, they even mentioned it in Platinum! It wouldn't be much of a shame if it was untradeable, so I guess same treatment as Griseous Orb could work.
Slowpoketail - Should get the same treatment as Ragecandybar. Even though it's an useless item, it should still be available, as it's a part of plot. And also, being useless was always this item's purpose - so n00bs can invent myths about that item.
Berserk Gene - This one's more troublesome than the above duo. That's because it's actually a held, strategical item. Prohibiting it from Wi-Fi battles would make little sense... But certainly more sense than scrapping it completely.
Brick Piece, Gold and Silver Leaves - Those seem like possible candidates for scrapping. Those are simple selling items. Not to mention that they were available only by trading a Pokemon through Time Machine or stealing from Wild Pokemon. However, I believe those should be kept for the sake of seeing their pictures (if not available, then at least as unused data). Hell, I simply want them... Since it's lame to trade selling items, I guess Griseous Orb treatment would work.
Pink Bow and Polkadot Bow - I can see them being scrapped. Pink Bow will probably get replaced by Silk Scarf, Polkadot Bow will be scrapped completely (as it's a Time Machine-only item). Of course, I would love them to be in the games. But I think that they'll cause more problems to GF than they should...
Old Berries - R.I.P. to them. Since Berry system is a generational change, we won't get to see old berries. Sorry for them, as they never got any kind of picture (except for the TCG arts of Normal, Gold and Miracle Berry). We have a new, better Berry system now...
Old Mails - I guess they'll get the same treatment as the old Berries - simply be replaced with DPPt's mails. Sad, considering as GSC's Mails were way more epic and I would love to see them in DS graphics. But I think that's the only choice. They're actually MEANT for trading, so "Griseous Orb treatment" wouldn't work here.
Normal and Gorgeous Boxes - Time for the most forgotten items in Pokemon game series ever! They are Normal and Goregous Boxes, the containers for Trophy Decorations for Room, obtained from Pokemon Stadium GS. They have no purpose themselves. Well. The odds are that they'll scrap it. There's no Stadium anymore (unless it'll be remade). However, I can see those boxes being used with giveaway Pokemon at some promotional giveaways. Decorative room will almost certainly be mantained, so I think it would be cool if those trophies were there... Pity that they won't use my idea and the boxes (and the trophies inside them) will not appear in HGSS...
TMs and HMs - They are generational change. Will be probably getting the new set of TMs. I really doubt if all 92 TMs will be available (especially that some old TM moves have to be changed into Move Tutors). But some of the new ones certainly will. What with HMs, then? I mean Whirlpool here mainly. Any speculations about Whirlpool being replaced with something else are rubbish. Whirl Islands are the location of Lugia - one of the version Pokemon. I can be sure that they won't be changed into Defog Islands or Rock Climb Islands. Or what about Flash? It's a TM now, but it's way more needed than in DPPt. And, of course, there's Defog and Rock Climb. Will they be scrapped? HMs at least don't cause problems with trading, anyway...
Key Items - Those are the least troublesome ones! They can't be traded (unless someone cheats...), so they cause no problems with compatibility. We can expect all of them to return but...
Mystery Egg - This one gets special treatment here. Why? Because the Pokemon eggs aren't a new discovery anymore (plotwise they are, but technical-wise they're an old thing). The guy in New Bark Town who says that Prof. Elm discovered new Pokemon seems to have been deleted (he's not seen in the first Sunday trailer). Could the same thing be done with Eggs? Hope not. As it would cause big plothole (considering that HGSS is taking place in the same time as GSC)...
Itemfinder - This one is interesting. It will return in some way beyond any doubt. But how? As a PokeGear App or as an Item? I personally prefer the Item option. They can make it cooler, with incorporating Touchscreen. I don't see it as a Pokegear function, to be honest...
Blue Card - It depends... Will Crystal elements be incorporated into HGSS? We can't be sure. Soul's jailbaity lips seems to say "NO!". But can we believe her? I'm really hoping for Buena's Password to return.
Egg Ticket - Same as above. Will this Crystal element be put into HGSS? Hope yes! We want to see that freakin' thing outside Japan! With Wi-Fi capabilities, this thing really seems to have potential!
Clear Bell - I just didn't want to omit it. I'm, hovewer, almost sure that it won't be used. HGSS don't focus on Suicune, this possibly means no Clear Bell. Unless they change its role...
GS Ball - Another troublesome, yet legendary example. If they want Celebi (and they probably want, as it's currently one of the most elusive Pokemon ever), they'll probably put it. I just hope that the Pichus don't open the Celebi shrine. I want to do it myself, with a GS Ball!
DPPt Items - Certain newer items will be obtainable for sure. That depends on their usability in HGSS. For example, if Contest aren't included in HGSS (the odds are they won't), there's no need to put Contest items in the game. However, we can always trade them from DPPt... That does it.
Any new(er) items - If any items not from DPPt or GSC are included - then those will only be key items. I'm hoping for the return of Fame Checker. We need that thing! I'm also expecting at least one brand new key item. What will it be? No idea
It's unpredictable.
Teru-sama - FINALLY! Everyone's favourite item from GSC. Do we need it? YES! They should totally put that thing in the game data, for the sake of teasing us (they are aware that there are cheaters and people who mess with game data, aren't they?). If I were GF, I would program this item as an INTENDED side effect of certain cheating and hacking items. It would have no purpose and, unlike its Gen. II predecessor, it would cause no glitch - just tease hackers (especially those who remember GSC times). Of course, those are just my crazy ideas... But it would be TOTAL pwnage if Teru-sama was included in HGSS.
Apricorns - Those seem to be least troublesome ones (not counting Key Items). They might simply be put into an "Apricorn Case" in the bag (similar to Poffin Case in DPPt) so they can't be given to Pokemon. However, even if Apricorns themselves aren't the problem, the Balls are.
Kurt's (Poke)Balls - Those seem to be the most troublesome ones, yet the most needed ones. We've been waiting 10 years to see them again. And we can't be sure if we'll get to see them again. Of course, there's no need to make Pokemon hold Balls (it would solve the trading problem) but the REAL problem is - what happens if a Pokemon is caught in it and gets traded to DPPt? I think it wouldn't be a pain if they made it change into a normal Pokeball upon trading. It would certainly be better than scrapping them. And no, it would make NO SENSE for Kurt to be making Hoenn Balls!
Ragecandybar - I'm calling the same treatment as Griseous Orb. Scrapping this item would make no sense. Hell, they even mentioned it in Platinum! It wouldn't be much of a shame if it was untradeable, so I guess same treatment as Griseous Orb could work.
Slowpoketail - Should get the same treatment as Ragecandybar. Even though it's an useless item, it should still be available, as it's a part of plot. And also, being useless was always this item's purpose - so n00bs can invent myths about that item.
Berserk Gene - This one's more troublesome than the above duo. That's because it's actually a held, strategical item. Prohibiting it from Wi-Fi battles would make little sense... But certainly more sense than scrapping it completely.
Brick Piece, Gold and Silver Leaves - Those seem like possible candidates for scrapping. Those are simple selling items. Not to mention that they were available only by trading a Pokemon through Time Machine or stealing from Wild Pokemon. However, I believe those should be kept for the sake of seeing their pictures (if not available, then at least as unused data). Hell, I simply want them... Since it's lame to trade selling items, I guess Griseous Orb treatment would work.
Pink Bow and Polkadot Bow - I can see them being scrapped. Pink Bow will probably get replaced by Silk Scarf, Polkadot Bow will be scrapped completely (as it's a Time Machine-only item). Of course, I would love them to be in the games. But I think that they'll cause more problems to GF than they should...
Old Berries - R.I.P. to them. Since Berry system is a generational change, we won't get to see old berries. Sorry for them, as they never got any kind of picture (except for the TCG arts of Normal, Gold and Miracle Berry). We have a new, better Berry system now...
Old Mails - I guess they'll get the same treatment as the old Berries - simply be replaced with DPPt's mails. Sad, considering as GSC's Mails were way more epic and I would love to see them in DS graphics. But I think that's the only choice. They're actually MEANT for trading, so "Griseous Orb treatment" wouldn't work here.
Normal and Gorgeous Boxes - Time for the most forgotten items in Pokemon game series ever! They are Normal and Goregous Boxes, the containers for Trophy Decorations for Room, obtained from Pokemon Stadium GS. They have no purpose themselves. Well. The odds are that they'll scrap it. There's no Stadium anymore (unless it'll be remade). However, I can see those boxes being used with giveaway Pokemon at some promotional giveaways. Decorative room will almost certainly be mantained, so I think it would be cool if those trophies were there... Pity that they won't use my idea and the boxes (and the trophies inside them) will not appear in HGSS...
TMs and HMs - They are generational change. Will be probably getting the new set of TMs. I really doubt if all 92 TMs will be available (especially that some old TM moves have to be changed into Move Tutors). But some of the new ones certainly will. What with HMs, then? I mean Whirlpool here mainly. Any speculations about Whirlpool being replaced with something else are rubbish. Whirl Islands are the location of Lugia - one of the version Pokemon. I can be sure that they won't be changed into Defog Islands or Rock Climb Islands. Or what about Flash? It's a TM now, but it's way more needed than in DPPt. And, of course, there's Defog and Rock Climb. Will they be scrapped? HMs at least don't cause problems with trading, anyway...
Key Items - Those are the least troublesome ones! They can't be traded (unless someone cheats...), so they cause no problems with compatibility. We can expect all of them to return but...
Mystery Egg - This one gets special treatment here. Why? Because the Pokemon eggs aren't a new discovery anymore (plotwise they are, but technical-wise they're an old thing). The guy in New Bark Town who says that Prof. Elm discovered new Pokemon seems to have been deleted (he's not seen in the first Sunday trailer). Could the same thing be done with Eggs? Hope not. As it would cause big plothole (considering that HGSS is taking place in the same time as GSC)...
Itemfinder - This one is interesting. It will return in some way beyond any doubt. But how? As a PokeGear App or as an Item? I personally prefer the Item option. They can make it cooler, with incorporating Touchscreen. I don't see it as a Pokegear function, to be honest...
Blue Card - It depends... Will Crystal elements be incorporated into HGSS? We can't be sure. Soul's jailbaity lips seems to say "NO!". But can we believe her? I'm really hoping for Buena's Password to return.
Egg Ticket - Same as above. Will this Crystal element be put into HGSS? Hope yes! We want to see that freakin' thing outside Japan! With Wi-Fi capabilities, this thing really seems to have potential!
Clear Bell - I just didn't want to omit it. I'm, hovewer, almost sure that it won't be used. HGSS don't focus on Suicune, this possibly means no Clear Bell. Unless they change its role...
GS Ball - Another troublesome, yet legendary example. If they want Celebi (and they probably want, as it's currently one of the most elusive Pokemon ever), they'll probably put it. I just hope that the Pichus don't open the Celebi shrine. I want to do it myself, with a GS Ball!
DPPt Items - Certain newer items will be obtainable for sure. That depends on their usability in HGSS. For example, if Contest aren't included in HGSS (the odds are they won't), there's no need to put Contest items in the game. However, we can always trade them from DPPt... That does it.
Any new(er) items - If any items not from DPPt or GSC are included - then those will only be key items. I'm hoping for the return of Fame Checker. We need that thing! I'm also expecting at least one brand new key item. What will it be? No idea
It's unpredictable.Teru-sama - FINALLY! Everyone's favourite item from GSC. Do we need it? YES! They should totally put that thing in the game data, for the sake of teasing us (they are aware that there are cheaters and people who mess with game data, aren't they?). If I were GF, I would program this item as an INTENDED side effect of certain cheating and hacking items. It would have no purpose and, unlike its Gen. II predecessor, it would cause no glitch - just tease hackers (especially those who remember GSC times). Of course, those are just my crazy ideas... But it would be TOTAL pwnage if Teru-sama was included in HGSS.
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