Hidden regional dex pokémon, or all owned by at least someone?

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Allow me to elaborate. I forgot about RBY, but in GSC and RSE some pokémon were well-hidden. In GSC it was hard to find out about how to get Slowking, scizor and Politoad (among others) because no in-game trainer had them. In RSE the same went for Shedinja, Chimecho, Swalot, Huntail & Gorebyss, Snorunt and Vibrava (among others).

In Fr/Lg however, all pokémons were spottable within the region, so that there was a big chance that you'd see them all (which actually was required to get to the sevii islands, but ok). In DPP the same goes for all regional pokémon (in D/P some new evo's are outside the national dex though).

So which do you like better? Seeing all pokémon with trainers in the region or having some sneakily hidden somewhere?


I myself would like some pokémon to become hidden like in RSE and GSC again, and not just evo's as they did in d/p (they also did too much there).
 
I want some hidden pokes, thats moar fun.
And for the record, you don't have to see all gen1 pokes to go to the sevi islands, you have to capture 60 different pokes.
 
Hidden Pokemon for sure. Want to make Bulbagarden's job more difficult after all.
 
In RBY I didn't even know about Golem for a while, I had only heard rumors that Graveler evolved and searched forever for the evolution stone that would do the job, since leveling it up wasn't working. Good times.

Nowadays though, I wouldn't care either way. With the Internet, there really aren't any "hidden" pokemon anymore since the day the games are released you can find lists of all the pokemon in them online.
 
Jeff said:
In RBY I didn't even know about Golem for a while, I had only heard rumors that Graveler evolved and searched forever for the evolution stone that would do the job, since leveling it up wasn't working. Good times.

Nowadays though, I wouldn't care either way. With the Internet, there really aren't any "hidden" pokemon anymore since the day the games are released you can find lists of all the pokemon in them online.
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Well, when Gen V is released, there won't be lists. Unfortunately for us, by the time we American/Canadian/European/Australian/New Zealander/Ect get it, the Japanese will already have pretty much everything figured out. Durr
 
Carrottime said:
Well, when Gen V is released, there won't be lists. Unfortunately for us, by the time we American/Canadian/European/Australian/New Zealander/Ect get it, the Japanese will already have pretty much everything figured out. Durr
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Within days of when Gen 4 was released in Japan, there were lists of all the new pokemon all over the Internet.
 
IIRC, there were leaks of the full Sinnoh Pokédex, including how the Pokémon evolved, at least a couple of weeks before the Japanese release of DP. I don't think it'll matter whether the trainers in-game have all the Pokémon or not, there still won't be any shortage of information on them.

My prediction, though, is that they'll go with the system they established in DPPt: every non-legendary Pokémon in the regional Pokédex will be in possession of a Trainer, but for the national Dex you'll be on your own.
 
I think it makes more sense to have every pokemon be in the regional dex be in the hands of trainers. Which actually got me thinking. There's going to be 600 or so pokemon running around this region if they include them all.

Wow. I wonder how big the regional dex is gonna be...
 
Bigger than in the past, hopefully. Even Platinum with its 210 lacked variety in the Trainers' teams at times. The more the better in my book.
 
It is annoying if you want, say, a Charmander, but you can't search the GTS for one because you've never seen one. (Even though I used one in the Battle Factory!) Of course, that's more National Dex than Regional.
 
I think that because of the way the games are really transitioning from the whole gotta catch em all thing to just like seeing all the pokemon, it's pretty likely that again all pokemon are going to be easyish to see at least. There are just too many pokemon to catch all of them, for a lot of players at least, and focusing on just seeing them all seems much more efficient.
 
I'd rather see all the non-legends in Gen V be owned by other trainers rather than being hidden. If the GTS is going to be in Gen V, it's going to be annoying trying to find the Pokemon you want (in the GTS, you can only search for a Pokemon you want only if it's registered as seen in the Pokedex) if the Pokemon are hidden.
 
For everyone saying "GTS" as an argument, what about if they changed the gts to being able to ask for every pokémon after obtaining the national dex? Would that change your opinions?
 
Hopefully they recognize the GTS as the tool that it is and keep it separate from the gaming experience. I.E. let us search for ALL the Pokemon regardless of dex data or not. That's what people use it for anyway, to trade and get Pokemon they do not have.

Seeing the Pokemon in the world... They can hide some if they'd like. No need to let us see every single Pokemon (at least up front) right? I only hope they don't give us 100 appearances of a single Pokemon and 2 of another. Yes, that's an Oddish, like the other 99 I've seen beforehand, let's get to the cooler Pokemon.
 
I would like hidden Pokemon. In DP most Gen. IV evos were after the Dex, so they were kinda hidden. I remember RSE hid them.
 
In my opinion, the need for hidden pokemon has expanded compared to RBY. Let me elaborate:

In RBY, the game had the fewest number of pokemon out of all pokemon games. Playing through FRLG, I've noticed something: Trainers use as wide a variety of pokemon as possible. Typically, with RSE or DPPt, we notice trainers broken up into distinct castes that are limited between 2-4 pokemon. But with FRLG/RBY, those castes are fewer (Due to fewer having been invented), while using a far wider variety of pokemon. I've encountered Lasses and Youngsters using Venonats, which would be considered far out of their caste in today's games.

My theory is that the developers, knowing that they needed to keep things interesting and expose the player to as many pokemon as possible, intentionally seeded the trainers with as wide a variety as possible. Considering the wide smaller variety of pokemon in the game, I've seen the most diverse assortment of pokemon out of all the games by this point.

Personally, I find this variety refreshing and exciting. Each corner is filled with at least one exposure to something new and unexpected. Cutting to the point, here's what I feel about hidden pokemon and exposed pokemon:

With the variety of pokemon having increased since RBY, I don't see the need to expose every single pokemon to the player. But I do feel as though that as many pokemon as possible should be exposed to the player. I want an experience where wherever I go throughout the region, I can constantly find new pokemon. The surprise of finding a pokemon I've never experienced is above the surprise of having to arbitrarily discover how to find pokemon. With that in mind, there are pokemon I feel are appripriate to divulge and pokemon I feel should remain hidden.

Pokemon that evolve through some convoluted method (AKA, Porygon Z having to be traded twice with items, Tangrowth needing Ancientpower, Milotic needing maximum beauty, etc.) should be revealed to the player, at least once. Showing a rare pokemon that has a complicated method at least shows that player that the pokemon exists, and the methods can be alluded to at other points.

On the other hand, pokemon that are relatively easy to divulge once you already have the basics should remain hidden (or at least some of them). For instance, Tyrranitar evolves in a fairly straighforward path. In this case, I support showing Larvitar to the player, but leaving it up to him to discover Tyrannitar, because it is not frustrating to discover. Anybody who says "Oh, I like Larvitar" could bring it to it's conclusion without much effort beyond the necessary requirements.

TL;DR. In short, I think that only a few pokemon should remain hidden.
 
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Okay, I cannot argue with that. Some good points all around.

Okay, I change my vote to agree with Phoenicks. Really, a well thought out answer.
 
I love hidden Pokemon. makes it all the more fun to have them in your team while you're playing through the game.
but I agree with Phoenicks in that they really should make a reference toward the evolutionary method (and maybe reveal the pre-evo too? that'd help) for those that are hidden, so the players who play Pokemon games without FAQs and the like can figure it out.
 
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