Hikari = a mix of Ash and May? (Long post)

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Anyone notice that the writers have purposely made Hikari into a mix of the other two protagonists of the series?

She has a lot of similarities to Ash such as:

- Both were very interested in starting their journey as a trainer. May, by contrast, was the total opposite of Ash/Hikari in the beginning since she was disinterested in Pokemon altogether. Ash and Hikari looked foward to their 10th birthday and getting their first Pokemon more than anything.

- Hikari and Ash both saw a legendary at the start of their journey. D/P #4 even has Ash/Hikari talk about it so we're spoon fed it. May on the other hand, never saw a legendary at the start of her journey.

- Hikari and Poochama didn't get along at first, lots of little squabbling, similar to Pikachu not obeying Ash in the first episode. Again, May and Torchic were the total opposite of them as she got along great with her starter.

- Hikari, thus far, seems to be an impulse battler. She's partaking in quite a lot of battles outside of Contests, and seems to want to capture as many Pokemon as possible. May wasn't as competitive battle-wise outside of Contests, and the only impulse capture she had was Wurmple. Hikari shares a lot of the same characteristics as Ash in Kanto.

- Hikari is just as stubborn as Ash. D/P #4 has her arguing/bickering with Ash that Contests are better than Gyms, and she refuses to back down until the end of the episode. Reminds me a lot of Ash and Misty arguing back in Kanto. Some have even suggested the fact that Ash was like Brock when he mentored May, (they rarely argued), but he's more like Misty when he mentors Hikari, (they seem to argue a bit, and Hikari's profile on the D/P site says bickering is in her nature)

- Poochama using Bide to defeat all those Ariados seems to be a homage to Pikachu defeating all those Spearow in the first episode.

- Both Ash and Hikari have just a single parent, a mother.

- Lastly, both are treated as main protagonists. Hikari is being billed as a real co-star for everything D/P, and she truly shares the spotlight 50/50 with Ash. Ash/May spotlight was split more like 60/40.

Similarities to May include:

- Both are extremely girly. Hikari has many of the same girly mannerisms that May had, such as squealing when she sees cute Pokemon, acts very energetic, clueless during some aspects of battling, and likes cute Pokemon.

Not to mention Hikari puts jewlery on her Pokeballs and wears pretty dresses during her Contests, which is much more girly than what May did during her Contests.

- Both are coordinators. Duh. They both essentially have the same quest, so the similarities during their appeals and battle style may become apparent as we get into a number of Hikari's Contests.

- Both May and Hikari were mentored by Ash. The difference here is as I said above, if Hikari/Ash continue to bicker, Ash is acting more like "Misty" toward Hikari, while he acted more like "Brock" toward May. It'll be interesting to see if the writers did this purposely to pay homage to how Misty/Brock mentored Ash back in the day.

- If her first two captures are any indication, the writers will be giving Hikari the same type of cute Pokemon that May had. Thankfully even though Torchic/Poochama are bird Pokemon, their personalities are hella different. It'll be interesting to note where Hikari's captures go next, as there is a lack of cute Pokemon in Shinou.


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That being said, what do you think? Are the writers essentially writing Hikari as a mixture of both Ash and May? A lot about her screams the stubborness of old Kanto Ash, while she has the same quest (Contests) and a lot of the same girly mannerisms that May had.

Do you think the writers just write all their protagonists the same way, or are they making an effort to bring certain elements from Ash and May and use them with Hikari?
 
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I think you're dwelling on this whole rehash thing too much.

The only thing that really sticks out when comparing Hikari to May, in my mind, is that Hikari's blatant co-star role really underlines how much of a co-star May wasn't.

Hikari seems cocky in a way Ash wasn't - while his was a very stubborn "I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING DANG IT DON'T CRITICIZE ME", her's is much more of a, "Oh, I'm doing awesome! I'm so great and *gets so distracted she doesn't realize everything just went sour* ... oops. Oh well, next time I'll definitely get it right!" This also seems to be why she butts heads with Pochama - Pikachu, when it had issues with Ash, was just a moody little rodent who though Ash was stupid, while Hikari and Pochama seem to have pride issues - they seem to get along best when Hikari champions their success, and worst when she tries to assert her authority as a trainer. Even when she loses track of what she's doing, Pochama seems to act like "HELLO EARTH TO HIKARI COME IN HIKARI" and not act as upset with her as it does when they have a disagreement.

Hikari and May do seem to be girly girls who like pretty things, but they still come off as quite different. First off, Hikari seems much more confident than May was - in fact, Hikari's idealism confidence seems to shine through more than any of her other traits, whereas May was much less assertive and decisive. Also, Hikari seems concerned with completely different things than May - Hikari's attitude towards contests already seems to be "I want to show everyone HOW AWESOME I AM!" whereas May's was more, "Oh, that looks really pretty and fun!" And going back to the Ash comparison, Hikari may be stuck on her goal of being the best ever period, but she's not as aggressive about it as Ash was when he started - she's just extremely confident in herself and not afraid to admit it.

Her confidence is really probably the highest we've ever seen in the anime - I mean, would Ash and May be so upbeat about losing that bunny thing? I think both would have at least taken a moment to be like, "Aw, man, I suck. How can I expect to reach my goals if I can't catch a stupid bunny?" But not Hikari - she just reassures herself to not give up because she'll do better next time. And her optimism and idealism has its own unique set of problems - hence why she didn't really see what was wrong with bringing a huge suitcase of outfits with her on a long journey, and why she gets too caught up in her own fantasies to focus on the moment. But I think it's also why many people like her so much - she's genuinely optimistic and happy, and takes even her losses in stride.
 
Not to mention Hikari puts jewlery on her Pokeballs and wears pretty dresses during her Contests, which is much more girly than what May did during her Contests.

I know this is kinda off-topic, but you say that all the time.

How is putting stuff on pokeballs or dressing up before contests girly?

I´m looking forward to decorate my pokeballs in DP, am I girly?
Dressing up in any way is a feature in the DP contests. I guess even guys will dress up for contests in the anime from now on. Not that girly as well.


EDIT: couldn´t agree more with Pie.

btw, pocchama is so stubborn and full of pride because the pokedex says so. Most pocchama´s seem to have a pride issue ( and won´t take food from trainers for example) which the anime shows very nicely.
 
The only thing that really sticks out when comparing Hikari to May, in my mind, is that Hikari's blatant co-star role really underlines how much of a co-star May wasn't.

Eh, even though Hikari definitely is playing a bigger role than May, it's still hard to say May was just a supporting character. They generally did shove May in the spotlight during most of Hoenn and Battle Frontier, with her own story arc and rivals, just not to the amount that Hikari is getting it.

As I said, Ash/Hikari spotlight is more 50/50 while Ash/May was more 60/40. It's basically the writers learning with May how to make a female character even more mainstream.

Although I'd say the biggest thing that compares them is obviously the fact that they're both coordinators.

Her confidence is really probably the highest we've ever seen in the anime - I mean, would Ash and May be so upbeat about losing that bunny thing? I think both would have at least taken a moment to be like, "Aw, man, I suck. How can I expect to reach my goals if I can't catch a stupid bunny?" But not Hikari - she just reassures herself to not give up because she'll do better next time. And her optimism and idealism has its own unique set of problems - hence why she didn't really see what was wrong with bringing a huge suitcase of outfits with her on a long journey, and why she gets too caught up in her own fantasies to focus on the moment. But I think it's also why many people like her so much - she's genuinely optimistic and happy, and takes even her losses in stride.

That's true on the confidence issue, but D/P #4 already had her apologize to Ash when she realized she was wrong and backed down. She has a big ego for a newbie which is great, but Ash generally did act like he knew what he was doing back in Kanto too.

Remember how he refused Misty's help about using her Pokemon to battle Brock with at the Pewter Gym? He thought he could do anything as he saw fit, and a lot of the time ignored Misty's advice and others when they were trying to say what's best for him. It's what reminds me of what they're doing with Hikari now.

How is putting stuff on pokeballs or dressing up before contests girly?

A girl wearing a dress while she does Contests generally is girly. I know they do this because of the games, but Hikari had a whole suitcase of pretty dresses before she left home. It's quite obvious she's in to fashion, even going as far as to dress up her Pokeballs. I really can't see how Hikari twirling around with a dress on stage isn't girly, especially since she wants people to admire her.
 
The way I see it is pretty much this:

Hikari = Hikari

Seriously, I don't see her as a rehash of anything or anyone. She's Hikari. She's not like Ash, she's not like May, she's not like Max, Brock, Misty ect. She is like Hikari.

:D
 
And her optimism and idealism has its own unique set of problems - hence why she didn't really see what was wrong with bringing a huge suitcase of outfits with her on a long journey, and why she gets too caught up in her own fantasies to focus on the moment. But I think it's also why many people like her so much - she's genuinely optimistic and happy, and takes even her losses in stride.
Woah!!

Hikari is that optimistic and happy? I mean, that much?


Well, that's quite interesting...... ^^



But you know what the weird thing is, personality wise, Hikari sounds exactly like me!!!! O.O


Wow, now I wanna see these D/P episodes more than anything!! :)

I've gotta admit, I've always wondered how well someone like me would get along with Ash. XD
 
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Hikari kinda reminds me of myself, but girlier.

And Scott, did we need another one of these topics? XD
 
Try about every topic you replied to in this forum since the moment we heard Hikari was gonna be in the anime.

I do think this is a good thread idea, though - maybe, just maybe, it'll encourage you to not bring this up in all other threads ever.

And by the way, saying Hikari's too much like May because they're both coordinators is like saying May's too much like Misty because they're both female. Yes, they have some things in common. No, they don't have enough things in common for you to say Hikari's not a unique character in her own right. I'm sorry.

Ash didn't accept Misty's help because he thought - rightfully so - that using her Pokémon would be cheap and not reflect on him well as a trainer. He later accepted help from Flint. Hikari, on the other hand, was upset because she thought Ash was being too hard on her for a small mistake, and she apologized because she did come down to earth a bit and realize her own inexperience. There's much different patterns here - though both come from inexperience, Ash was strugging with his lack of ability, while Hikari is struggling with her lack of focus.

I also don't see why two characters can't both like being pretty. XP

And Lisa - yeah, she DOES remind me a lot of you, actually. Same optimism and upbeat attitude, definitely.
 
Yay!

Since Hikari is like me, that would be AWESOME! :-D


It would be as if I were in that shipping, and Ash was with me. XD



And yes, you've convinced me, Lil Brother. I'm definitely a PearlShipper now (and I haven't even seen any D/P episodes yet, lol). XD
 
And by the way, saying Hikari's too much like May because they're both coordinators is like saying May's too much like Misty because they're both female. Yes, they have some things in common. No, they don't have enough things in common for you to say Hikari's not a unique character in her own right. I'm sorry.

Nah, that's a flawed comparison. Gender doesn't matter since the characters (male or female) didn't have the same role in the anime. (Although oddly enough, people did compare Misty and May all the time for some reason, despite the fact that the characters had completely different roles and personalities in the anime). This is the first time we've had a new character do the same quest as a previous character. The writers are essentially hitting the "reset" button on the Contest arc and starting it all over again from square one. We basically have to sit through another beginning trainer learn how to become a good coordinator, which was what we've seen in AG already. The good things they've done with Hikari is that they've differentiated her beginning from May's, as well as gave her a female rival. The Contest arc however will more or less play out the same, we even have the same judges and the same Grand Festival setup. They could have done a much better job with seperating the Shinou Contests from the AG ones.

Before D/P, every main character had a different goal in mind. Brock didn't want to do what Misty did, Max didn't want to do what Tracey did, and Ash didn't want to do what May did. None of the previous main characters ever stepped on each others toes, they were all distinct. Obviously the lack of a new goal in D/P is what made Hikari become just another coordinator, but I wish they did more with her than simply retread the same Contests we went through in Hoenn and Battle Frontier. It's the same reason a lot of people were hoping Hikari would be some supergirl taking down Team Galaxy before the D/P saga came out, a new character should bring something new to the anime, not retread old ground.

I'm really hoping Hikari's female rival spices her arc up, she has a neat design and she looks like the perfect contrast to Hikari's girliness and ego.

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And yes, you've convinced me, Lil Brother. I'm definitely a PearlShipper now (and I haven't even seen any D/P episodes yet, lol). XD

Pearlshipping is actually a neat ship, I really hope this is the one that puts the final nail in Pokeshipping's coffin.

Considering Ash and Hikari seem to bicker and the writers aren't going to rehash Contestshipping with her (unless she becomes a lesbian), it all seems to fit.
 
Yeah, that's true. ^^


PearlShipping seems to be the "new" PokeShipping.

Only it's better this time, cause it's with a girl who's similar to me. XD
 
Although oddly enough, people did compare Misty and May all the time for some reason, despite the fact that the characters had completely different roles and personalities in the anime).

I thought it was Ash that everyone kept comparing May to, especially when she started catching his old starters.
 
I thought it was Ash that everyone kept comparing May to, especially when she started catching his old starters.

They did that too, but the two girls were always compared, especially when we were back in Hoenn.

Back then people thought Misty still had a possibility of returning to the group, so she was always compared with May. Of course that never happened, and now both girls are off the cast probably for good.
 
Max didn't want to do what Tracey did.
Yet people used to think that Max would join Tracey at Professor Oak's lab at the end of Hoenn/AG. They both idolise him but is Max a rehash of Tracey? No, because there are still plenty of differences.
 
Yet people used to think that Max would join Tracey at Professor Oak's lab at the end of Hoenn/AG. They both idolise him but is Max a rehash of Tracey? No, because there are still plenty of differences.

there was even a scene with max imagining being a Pokemon watcher himself. just like tracey.

And, when Max will become a trainer someday, I doubt everybody will scream "Ash-rehash".
 
Yet people used to think that Max would join Tracey at Professor Oak's lab at the end of Hoenn/AG.

That's because people were anti-Max and wanted him to leave the group at the end of Hoenn and stay with either Birch or Oak.

There's a lot of bias in the Pokemon fandom, it's been painfully obvious for years now.
 
I know how everyone hates Max. But you don't need to hate him to speculate where he will end up so that's irrelevant.
 
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