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Generation I
# Move
01 Cut
02 Fly
03 Surf
04 Strength
05 Flash

Generation II
# Move
01 Cut
02 Fly
03 Surf
04 Strength
05 Flash
06 Whirlpool
07 Waterfall

Generation III
# Move
01 Cut
02 Fly
03 Surf
04 Strength
05 Flash
06 Rock Smash
07 Waterfall
08 Dive RSE

Generation IV
# Move
01 Cut
02 Fly
03 Surf
04 Strength
05 Defog DPPt
Whirlpool HGSS
06 Rock Smash
07 Waterfall
08 Rock Climb

What TM/HM's do you think we'll have for the region, its pure speculation, but thats what all this is.
 
I'd like new HMs, but they might have to expand the TMs again if DPPHGSS are compatible. 150 TMs???? (Or 142, to make 150 machines.)
 
Do we... really need a thread on the TM/HM's...?
 
We need dive back IMO. I also think strength and rock climb should be combined.
 
Want Dive back. Also, Flash > Defog.

I just wonder what will they do with TMs. If we're having back-compatibility again that'll mean that the old set of 92 TMs will have to be preserved... I really do not want hundreds of TMs, though...
 
We only need five HMs. Mt. Coronet and Victory Road in D/P/P were AWFUL since you had to lug a Bibarel with you or teach your main team worthless moves like Rock Smash and Defog. That's pretty much a pain in Mt. Coronet considering the difficulty of its bosses.

HM01 Cut
HM02 Fly
HM03 Surf
HM04 Rock Smash
HM05 Rock Climb

That's plenty. Waterfall can be relegated to a TM since it's good and all. But that set above prevents you from bogging down your entire team. You can get rid of Cut later for Rock Climb - the only HM moves that are worthwhile battle-wise are Surf, Rock Climb, Waterfall, and maybe Fly.

For some explanation:
Why do you need Strength to move boulders if you can smash them to piece?
Why do you need a move to climb waterfalls if you can fly over them from afar?
Why does Defog even exist?
Hell, can't you just burn a cuttable tree with Ember?

Cut is sort of a standard. Fly is mandatory, as is Surf. Rock Smash is for getting boulders out of the way (despite the move sucking) and Rock Climb is for climbing over rock walls in caverns (which you can easily do beside a cavernous waterfall, too).

Fewer HMs would make me happy. If they add any more, my interest will wane.
 
Yeah, Dive was cool because you got to explore like five different levels of new where you would normally only be surfing.
 
Ryuutakesh! said:
so what? Natural field moves or something? It would make some under appreciated pokemon more used than others.
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Keep the same attacks in as they've always been (so folks who like to use Surf, Waterfall, and the rest in battle can still do so).

Then, untie the HM's from the move roster completely or create a hidden pool. These are hidden machines after all. So a Pokemon could Surf without actually surfing and vise-versa.

Sure, call 'em Nature Machines or whatever you want. But I feel if there's one archaic system that requires updating, it's the HM system.
 
I want the TMs like Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, Icebeam and Psychic to not be virtually exclusive to the freaking Game Corner. Honestly, that was really annoying.
 
Cut
Fly
Rock Smash
Rock Climb
Defog
Surf
Flash
Dig
Dive
 
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The first 4 will obviously be the same. Flash will probably stay a TM, I want defog OUT.

Waterfall, Rock Climb and Rock Smash could stay. I also want a new HM, but for what is beyond me...

so that leaves us with

#1: Cut
#2: Fly
#3: Surf
#4: Strength
#5: Rock Climb
#6: Rock Smash
#7: Waterfall
#8: ???
 
I'm gonna say...

Flash
Teleport
Softboiled
Whirlpool
Sweet Scent
Defog

Just kidding :p

I'd really prefer that we didn't have HMs at all. I dislike having one or two HM slaves on my team just so I can get through the game. I'd rather use a team of the Pokemon I want with the moves I want.
 
I really do not want Flash or Defog in HM slots. Worst HM's ever. Have they not heard of a flashlight or a map?
 
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