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I know this probably is not a very important question to you guys, but do you think that you will be able to get both Ho-Oh and Lugia on Heart Gold. One Being at level 40 and one being at level 70. Or do you think that they are going to pull what they did in R/S/E and D/P/Pt and make it where you can only get one of the birds per game?
 
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They probably will be kept in to keep the basis

Like even though during Gen III it was changed a little more (focusing less on catching them all even dropping the catchphrase) but it is still required out of the plot to catch 40 in FR&LG.
 
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Its a remake of Gold and Silver. What do you think -_-

There was a reason Groudon and Kyogre were separate for their respective versions, and that's because they played the exact same role in the RS plot taking each other's place.

Ho-Oh and Lugia don't play conflicting roles in the original games, and they're more like background legendaries.
 
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Outrage said:
Its a remake of Gold and Silver. What do you think -_-

There was a reason Groudon and Kyogre were separate for their respective versions, and that's because they played the exact same role in the RS plot taking each other's place.

Ho-Oh and Lugia don't play conflicting roles in the original games, and they're more like background legendaries.
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That is a good point but I just had to ask I mean if I had to buy both of the games to get both of the birds unlike the first time I would be ticked. Another question...do you think that they will pull a crystal and make it to where you have to catch all three dogs before you can get Ho-Oh?
 
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Glitchipedia said:
Oh, so that's why they're on the boxart!
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If you hadn't been so busy patting your own back for that not-so-bon mot, you might have noticed that what he meant (which he did put very clearly) is that they're not plot-crucial, so they don't need to be exclusive and interchangeable like Kyogre/Groudon and Dialga/Palkia.
 
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DorianBlack said:
If you hadn't been so busy patting your own back for that not-so-bon mot, you might have noticed that what he meant (which he did put very clearly) is that they're not plot-crucial, so they don't need to be exclusive and interchangeable like Kyogre/Groudon and Dialga/Palkia.
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Whatever bon mot is.

And I did get what he was saying. My question is, since they're not important, why are they on the box? It makes it look like they're the focus of the plot. Same goes for the Kanto starters in Generation I (excluding Pikachu).
 
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THEY PLAY NO IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE GAMES MAIN PLOT THEMSELVES.

You know, because red in caps lock might actually get that through.

Why are they on the box? Maybe that's because they're the region's local deities. They're as important to the game's plot as Mewtwo was, and only got a small sub-plot in Crystal, nothing bigger than Heatran's plot in Platinum. I doubt they were even planning a third version, and even if they were, why give it to the starters? Why make one starter seem more special than the others? So yeah, give the boxarts to the game's resident legendaries.

Only Generation III and onward did they actively involve legendaries in the main plot. Sure, HG/SS might give them a larger role in the plot, but it doesn't change the fact that the originals had them on the boxart despite the fact that they themselves were not really important to the advancement of the game. You never even have to meet them in the games, you could have completely ignored them. Heck, you don't even need to go into Whirl Islands.

Now compare that to Generation III where you were forced to battle Groudon/Kyogre in RS, and forced to interact with Rayquaza in emerald. In DP, you were forced into a battle with Palkia and Dialga, and with Giratina in Platinum. In Crystal, you were forced to fight Suicune, yet fighting Ho-Oh and Lugia were still optional.

In comparison, Ho-Oh and Lugia are more comparable to Heatran in terms of plot. NPCs mention them,there may even be a little adventure, but you don't need to actually encounter them.

Now, I didn't think I'd need to spend an entire post explaining that...
Glitchipedia said:
Oh, so that's why they're on the boxart!
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That was so obviously not sarcasm.

So if your question was "since they're not important, why are they on the box?" what's with the sarcastic remark? Why not actually just ask why, if I don't think they are important, that they are on the boxart?
 
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Outrage said:
That was so obviously not sarcasm.

So if your question was "since they're not important, why are they on the box?" what's with the sarcastic remark? Why not actually just ask why, if I don't think they are important, that they are on the boxart?
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Oh, well, excuse me, that WAS my attempt at humor. I will refrain from using humor from now on, as my sense of humor seems to differ from that of humans.
 
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Glitchipedia said:
Oh, well, excuse me, that WAS my attempt at humor. I will refrain from using humor from now on, as my sense of humor seems to differ from that of humans.
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It would have been funny had the statement you were trying to mock not been entirely correct.

Anyway, I've started to wonder whether they might make Ho-oh and Lugia more plot-related after all. They've been touting new features, and that would definitely be new. It might even result in slightly different plots, which hasn't been seen before between companion versions - Ruby and Sapphire came close, but even with the team you're fighting being different, everything was still in the same place.
 
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i hope they make the birds a bigger plot on in the game. but if that means seperating them and not letting me get both in one game,well then nevermind. i really want both in the same game because thats how the orriginals were
 
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I see no reason to separate them, unless they overhaul it completely to make them actually relevant to the main plot. I hope not. Plots centering on legendaries always felt too forced to me.
 
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Actually, a plot with Ho-oh or Lugia at the center could be extremely likable and epic.
I think it would work, not to mention improve the games lack-luster pre-existing plot.

If they were to implement that, how would they do so?
'Cause another evil team (read: Team Rocket) after a legend's power is getting old.

If it was a plot that's slightly different between the games,(since Ho-oh and Lugia are slightly different), I wouldn't mind Ho-oh and Lugia being version exclusive.

If it's an interchangeable plot (ala RS and DP) then I want them both in the game.
 
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d.aisuke said:
Actually, a plot with Ho-oh or Lugia at the center could be extremely likable and epic.
I think it would work, not to mention improve the games lack-luster pre-existing plot.

If they were to implement that, how would they do so?
'Cause another evil team (read: Team Rocket) after a legend's power is getting old.
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Well, if they do deviate from the formula of "Team/crazy dude hunting the legendary, and then you snatch it from under their noses for whatever reason" then maybe. If Ho-Oh or Lugia helped take TR down, perhaps? It'd work a lot better if they continued the Rocket plot into Kanto, taking it to new heights--heights that would require a legend's intervention.
 
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If they were going to create a Ho-Oh/Lugia plot, I'd rather that they made it a separate plot that doesn't tie into the Team Rocket one.

Maybe they can actually make these games different by giving HG a plot for Ho-Oh to expand on its legend, and a plot to expand Lugia's legend in SS, but still make both Pokemon obtainable.
 
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Oh... not to shabby of an idear there, eh?
 
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Outrage said:
If they were going to create a Ho-Oh/Lugia plot, I'd rather that they made it a separate plot that doesn't tie into the Team Rocket one.

Maybe they can actually make these games different by giving HG a plot for Ho-Oh to expand on its legend, and a plot to expand Lugia's legend in SS, but still make both Pokemon obtainable.
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That sounds like an idea I had here. Long story short, give the legendary birds a similar role in SoulSilver as the legendary beasts have in GS, and keep HeartGold similar to GS. Of course, that wouldn't work now since the birds are already available in platinum, it would be kinda redundant to have them again in HG/SS.
 
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Martonimos said:
I see no reason to separate them, unless they overhaul it completely to make them actually relevant to the main plot. I hope not. Plots centering on legendaries always felt too forced to me.
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Agree. Maybe it's not that bad that the legendaries are the center of the plot, the bad things come when it's always the same plot around them (Team Weirdo wants them for rebuilding the world/universe according to their ideals). Same as you, I don't want a forced plot involving Ho-oh and Lugia, but I would somehow tolerate it if it has nothing to do with Team Rocket (say, one of the Leaders refuses to fight you until you catch your version's bird or Ho-oh goes nuts after you scar the beasts out of the burned tower) and they keep the option of cathching the opposing bird in the Kanto segment.
 
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