Homosexuality and genetics - food for thought

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Interesting little fact I learned the other day. People on both sides point to the twin studies to disprove the other side. Of all the homosexual men in the study with an identical twin who was separated at birth, 55% of those identical twins were also homosexuals. The instance was significantly higher in identical twins than in fraternal twins. People who think homosexuality is purely genetic point to that to support their theory. But people who think homosexuality is purely psychological or environmental point to the fact that it's still not 100%, as you would expect it to be if homosexuality were purely genetic.

But according to what I read, both sides are wrong.

See, there's this thing called penetrance (I've probably spelled that wrong) that dictates how likely it is that a gene will manifest itself. Things like Hunnington's disease have a 100% penetrance, which means that if you have the gene, you're guaranteed to get the disease. Other genes, however, need some kind of trigger to manifest themselves. Type 1 diabetes is one such trait. It only has a 30% penetrance. That means that if one identical twin has Type 1 diabetes, the other twin, who has the exact same genes, only has a 30% chance of getting the same disease. Schizophrenia has a 48% penentrance. Biploar affective disorder has a 60% penetrance. Only 1 in 3000 Americans have multiple sclerosis. If you have a family member with the disease who isn't a twin, your chances of contracting the disease increase only marginally. If you have a fraternal twin with the disease, however, your chances of contracting it raise to 1 in 44. If you have an identical twin with the disease, your chances of getting the disease rise to 1 in 4.

If there is indeed a "gay gene" it would have an estimated penetrance of about 67%. The other 33% of the men who are nonetheless straight because the gene wasn't triggered would then pass the gay gene onto their children. Furthermore, psychologists have been able to predict a child's sexual orientation as young as the age of five. So whatever this trigger is that causes homosexuality would need to occur very early in a child's life, some theorize in the womb.
 
Furthermore, psychologists have been able to predict a child's sexual orientation as young as the age of five.

I'd like to see an article on how that's done, source?
 
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I'd like to see an article on how that's done, source?

This abstract seems to suggest that one can predict homosexuality by what the child does.
However, I think saying a boy is gay because he plays with dolls (I don't know if the article says this, but the abstract seems to imply it) is stretching credibility.

Perhaps they could be using the whole "gay parents = gay kid" idea, but none of that crap is confirmed.

This article has nothing to do with children...

Strangely enough, I cannot find a study (within a reasonable time frame and one I don't have to pay for) that says 5-yr olds understand their own sexuality or have any sexual tendencies.

Ah, no -- wait -- here's one: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/101/4/e9
Sexual behavior showed an inverse relationship with age, with overall frequency peaking at year 5 for both boys and girls, and then dropping off over the next 7 years. This is reflected in the relatively large number of behaviors endorsed by at least 20% of caregivers for the 2- to 5-year-old group. One could consider these behaviors to be developmentally related and within normal limits.

It is important to remember that children's behavior must be interpreted in light of individual and family variables. The same is true for sexual behavior. For example, in addition to the significant inverse relationship with age, sexual behavior appeared to be directly and significantly related to maternal education as well as a maternal attitude about the normalcy of sexual behavior in children. Mothers with more years of education and who reported their belief that sexual feelings and behavior in children was normal, reported more sexual behavior. This observed relationship of reported sexual behavior to education and social class has been reported earlier.16
 
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