House of M Wraps Up

[GrnMarvl14]

Tomorrow will see the release of the final issue in the House of M mini-series. This series has produced some FANTASTIC plot points, twists, and thanks to House of M #7, one HELL of a cliffhanger. Any opinions?

 

[Zeta]

Fantastic plot-points? It was a poorly-concieved excuse to undo all the developments in the X-men comics since the early '90s and reset the Marvel Universe so that there are only 80 or so mutants and the world all wants to have them killed again.

In other words, a gigantic step backwards for the X-men universe.

 

[GrnMarvl14]

It's a great excuse to undue the horror that was Grant Morrison's run. Of course, reading #8 has revealed that they went a little too far, but if it erases the horror of Morrison, it's somewhat worth it.

And you've CLEARLY not read the info right. There will be 198 mutants left. The reasoning behind it, continuity-wise, was brilliant. While there are a few they SHOULDN'T have undone because they've been part of the Marvel Universe since the 60s, the majority being taken out was a good idea and sets up for some fabulous stories down the road. And, with #8, they opened the question of whether it's reversible or not. With that option on the table (as long as it STAYS on the table), it'll be like dead characters. This way, they can be brought back as they fit into the plot. Although I'm NOT happy about Wolverine and X-23 BOTH being part of the 198 while Wind Dancer and a few of the other New Mutants and Hellions are left powerless. But, hopefully, New Excalibur and Generation M will help shed light on the new situation on a global scale. And the world is NOT after them. At least not yet. The president has come out and said that he sympathizes with them. The sentinel attack that's going to take place could very well be the doing of another Trask or someone else with access to the technology.

Now, I was like you at first, when I was reading the previews for it. I thought it would be HORRIBLE...but it's not. This could, potentially, bring the X-Men back to the good ol' days.

 

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It's a great excuse to undue the horror that was Grant Morrison's run. Of course, reading #8 has revealed that they went a little too far, but if it erases the horror of Morrison, it's somewhat worth it.

I loved Morrison's run. Well, not what happened to the X-men themselves (Xorneto *shudder*, which made no sense) for the most part, although it was nice to see Scott finally stop being so static.

What I really liked is that it actually showed progress and development for the mutants as a whole. Instead of being just the X-men and the Brotherhood of Mutants - we got to see more average mutants. Mutants who were just trying to live normal lives. It made the civil rights parallel more developed.

And you've CLEARLY not read the info right. There will be 198 mutants left.

Which is a moronic number. Who cares about giving Mutants rights or listening to what they have to say when there are only about 200? They could go putter off and live in the same town together and nobody would notice. When there were a couple of million mutants around the world - the X-men had something to fight FOR. With 200 - the stakes are too low.

the majority being taken out was a good idea and sets up for some fabulous stories down the road.

Whiny X-mutants and both "sides" scrambling to collect all 198 mutants? Gotta Catch 'em All!

This could, potentially, bring the X-Men back to the good ol' days.

The problem is that the good ol' days went on too long. The X-men kept on trying to recapture that feel of late '80s/early '90s success - but that only led to stagnation, rehashed stories, and poor character development.

When the old days can't be recaptured, sometimes it's time to move onto something new.

Bringing them back to the good ol' days would be the Pokemon equivalent of sending Ash back to Kanto with a bunch of old Pokemon to do everything over again.

Oh, wait . . .

 

[GrnMarvl14]

I HATED Morrison's run. It was the #1 reason why I stopped buying comics for two years.

although it was nice to see Scott finally stop being so static.

Depends whose stuff you read. Most of the 90s issues have him as a strong leader with distinct moral principles. All I saw Morrisson do was make him leave his wife.

Mutants who were just trying to live normal lives. It made the civil rights parallel more developed.

Those stories ALWAYS existed. Morrison did nothing new except have a sudden explosion in the populace. That's it. I've got COUNTLESS comics focused on run of the mill mutants. New Mutants #45 is a BRILLIANT example.

Which is a moronic number. Who cares about giving Mutants rights or listening to what they have to say when there are only about 200? They could go putter off and live in the same town together and nobody would notice. When there were a couple of million mutants around the world - the X-men had something to fight FOR. With 200 - the stakes are too low.

But nothing's been announced about the series. There's no way to know WHAT they have planned. And, frankly, I never really liked the anti-mutant stuff (aside from Gyrich and Creed). That type of story had immense relevance in the 60s and 70s, but now it's not as big an issue. Sure we have the whole gay rights movement, but now we have actual gay characters in comics that can do the fight without all the euphemisms.

Whiny X-mutants and both "sides" scrambling to collect all 198 mutants? Gotta Catch 'em All!

Or a group of mutants forced to adjust to a suddenly larger gap between them and regular humans. More isolation, less chance of being treated equally, and more spotlights on specific characters instead of seeing a parade of new characters that are barely developed before being dumped to the wayside (Archer, Fixx, Greystone, Wild Child, Shard, Synch, Skin, Northstar, Aurora, etc.).

The X-men kept on trying to recapture that feel of late '80s/early '90s success - but that only led to stagnation, rehashed stories, and poor character development.

I thought they were evolving as well as any other book. If anything, the last few years just introduced a number of new gimmicks that had no real purpose (i.e. the whole further evolution thing, which made ABSOLUTELY NO sense).

When the old days can't be recaptured, sometimes it's time to move onto something new.

And now they are by combining the new with the old.

Bringing them back to the good ol' days would be the Pokemon equivalent of sending Ash back to Kanto with a bunch of old Pokemon to do everything over again.

Until more is revealed about what the exact fallout is going to be, you can't really rush to some snap judgement.

Listen, I'm not too thrilled about this whole thing, either. I'm losing a LOT of my favorite characters, but from what I've heard of the new series and the continuing ones, we'll see new directions for all the books and see a nice combination of the old with the new. We'll also see what happens to the characters who suddenly have no powers (meaning we'll see characters forced to cope with massive losses and some who are freed from curses) and probably see how the outside world is going to deal with this change. Having 198 mutants is NO different from having one million when you're only focusing on a handful at a time.