How do you think the Legendaries and the National pokedex will be handled?

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Ever since gen 3, every single Generation of Pokemon has gone out of their way to ensure that by the time the successors is announced, that players are able to complete the national Pokedex

  • Gen 2 is an exception because certain pokemon were not implemented there. It was also the only games with cross generational trading.
  • Gen 3 had some pokemon that needed Spinoff games to obtain. The important ones were Ho-Oh and Lugia and Jirachi which needed the Orre games and a bonus disk to get.
  • Gen 5 was also similar, but replace Jirachi with Dialga, Palkia and Giratina (Which were found on the Dream Radar). It also had the problem of the Pikachu line, The Weather Trio, Mewtwo and Unown being unavailable outside of trading or transferring (and maybe the Dream Radar), but that still left 95% of the then 500 odd pokemon being found in Unova
A large aspect of this are the Legendary and Mythical Pokemon. It stands to reason, that Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon would have to find a way to add them in party due to tradition and partly due to how unlikely GF might think it would be to find a copy of X, Y, Omega Ruby or Alpha Sapphire compared to their releases. On the other hand, Sun and Moon's "phasing" the National dex to the Bank might show a decreased emphasis on

For this reason I ask how would you think GF would handle the Legendary pokemon? Do you think they would again try to make them all available, or do you think another Gen 3/5 situation would happen (where certain pokemon were left out outside events). Likewise I would also ask if you think a similar case to the Delta Episode (particularly a mythical encounter) would happen in USUM or not, if you think other local pokemon would be left out (like the Forces of Nature being left out of BW2) and if you think their putting the National pokedex in Bank means something in regards to "catching 'em all" within a generation.
 
Either there's going to be some that are missing within this generation or it's going to be some phoned in method like they did with the Hoopa portals in ORAS. Those are the only possibilities with so many of them missing now.

And really, if they're going to keep making all of the National Dex Pokemon available, they can't keep omitting older legendaries from the first game, especially when they've been cutting down to 2 games per generation. No idea why there's this unwritten rule that past legendaries can't be catchable in the first game, with the exception of XY the new generation has only focused on the new legendaries and that really hurts their ability to include everything in a generation.
 
There are good reasons to expect all the non-mythicals to be available in this generation, unlike in Generation V.

1. Only Pokemon obtained in this generation are eligible in the VGC ruleset.
2. Most Chinese players don't have access to the older games. They don't even get the VC games.

You could argue that if USUM lack a National Pokedex like SM, then players won't have an incentive to get the missing Pokemon, and VGC could just exclude them. But a lot of these Pokemon are popular - why wouldn't people want to use them?

I don't see all 400-ish of these Pokemon being added to Alola, though. You'd think that the region would have had more of them to begin with if that were the plan. But then, I am not taking it for granted that USUM are the last games of this generation.
 
Silktree said:
There are good reasons to expect all the non-mythicals to be available in this generation, unlike in Generation V.

1. Only Pokemon obtained in this generation are eligible in the VGC ruleset.
2. Most Chinese players don't have access to the older games. They don't even get the VC games.

You could argue that if USUM lack a National Pokedex like SM, then players won't have an incentive to get the missing Pokemon, and VGC could just exclude them. But a lot of these Pokemon are popular - why wouldn't people want to use them?

I don't see all 400-ish of these Pokemon being added to Alola, though. You'd think that the region would have had more of them to begin with if that were the plan. But then, I am not taking it for granted that USUM are the last games of this generation.
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Ain't the whole purpose of a Third game, Sequel, etc. is too expand the Pokedex like they did Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, and Black 2/White 2. Having the same amount of pokemon on pokedex from Sun/Moon and without bringing back the National Pokedex would be an issue.
 
shemar corbin said:
In USUM, we can expect a Pokedex Expansion and bring back the National Pokedex.
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An expansion of the Pokédex, yes. But as Silktree mentioned: doubling it is a whole other story. To make every single Pokémon available in just these two games, they need to either replace the majority of the Alola Dex with other Pokémon in USUM (which is what I would prefer) or they need to add the remaining ~400 somehow and fitting them all together in this region is going to be hard.

I guess the ORAS-method would work, suddenly adding a bunch of new Pokémon to each route postgame for I dunno, Ultra Space reasons or something. But that would more than double the amount of Pokémon you can find on each route, that doesn't sound really feasible imo.

Also I'm not expecting them to bring back the National Pokédex honestly. They had their reasons to remove it and there's only a handful of people complaining about it, so there's no real reason for them to include it again.
 
shemar corbin said:
In USUM, we can expect a Pokedex Expansion and bring back the National Pokedex.
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Pokedex expansion? Sure, but don't expect it to be doubled. I can see them raising it to ~350 if they're just going to add families of potential new regional variants and a few others.

Also, don't expect the National Dex to return as you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment. They've already stated there's too many Pokemon in regards to completing the Pokedex, hence why Sun/Moon didn't have it.

Soki said:
I guess the ORAS-method would work, suddenly adding a bunch of new Pokémon to each route postgame for I dunno, Ultra Space reasons or something. But that would more than double the amount of Pokémon you can find on each route, that doesn't sound really feasible imo.
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I think the reason it worked well in ORAS is because we were able to easily tell that the routes were changed majorly in regards to the Pokemon distribution because of the DexNav, and without the National Dex, it'd be hard to tell where the Pokemon not in the regional dex would appear in-game.
 
Post game legendary collection, a new area for some more old Pokemon, and adding back in the National Pokedex. Probably.
 
Personally I think that their will probably be only a few minor changes to what Pokemon appear in game with a few having their location changed or ones not previously in the game appearing. I also don't think their will be a National Dex and that the only Legendary Pokemon that will be added could be something like the Johto trio, and hopefully not the Kanto trio again, unless they try and do the same as ORAS which I would rather they didn't because we can already get them in ORAS and Pokebank makes catching them redundant considering how the National Dex is now in the Pokebank so I see no point to having them in the game.
 
The Ultra Wormholes would probably cause some rifts in space.

I dunno about the National Pokédex. We are missing the entries for some Mega Evolved Pokémon, but they probably won't care.

Also, how do you think them saying there are already too many Pokémon will affect the future of the franchise?
 
DoctorWhy said:
I highly doubt that... I'll browse a bit on my own, but I'm gonna need some reliable sources.
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@Esserise typed up a summary of the interview a few months back. Here's the link to the summary.

Sun & Moon Postgame Guide: Summary of Ohmori/Masuda Interview
https://forums.bulbagarden.net/inde...de-summary-of-ohmori-masuda-interview.222210/
Ohmori states that the number of Pokémon has "grown too high" with regard to completing the Pokédex. He wanted to recreate the feeling from Red & Green of being able to complete the Pokédex on your own, which also led to the upscaled flash and fanfare of the "Registered!" screen that follows when a new Pokémon is obtained or evolved, in order to make the collecting process more fun and rewarding.
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Tuoko said:
@Esserise typed up a summary of the interview a few months back. Here's the link to the summary.

Sun & Moon Postgame Guide: Summary of Ohmori/Masuda Interview
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Thanks! And despite being true, I'm surprised he said that out loud. Personally, I blame the fact they added too many Pokemon too quickly. They should've never added more than 70-80 in a generation. II added 100, III added about 130, IV added about 90, V added a whopping 156... But this problem was inevitable, to be fair. It had to happen eventually, they just sped it up by a few years. Idk what to do about it either.
 
I should bring up that gen 5 also had something else up their sleeve. There was a side game they made for the 3DS that allowed players to catch pokemon with HAs, and it was the reason why Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Ho-Oh and Lugia were able to be found in Gen 5 (though TBF the Gen 4 games were still required). They were also how BW2 players were able to get the Forces of Nature outside of trading with BW games.

Within the games themselves, they could also try a more focused version of the Mirage spots, an out of the way, places where the pokemon changes on a Daily basis, as well as some slight expanding on this. This place could be at the Aether Paradise, or 4-5 such places might exist on all the islands.

I think game freak might want to try at least one of these methods to attempt to bring some of the 400 species to USUM.
 
Morningstar said:
I should bring up that gen 5 also had something else up their sleeve. There was a side game they made for the 3DS that allowed players to catch pokemon with HAs, and it was the reason why Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Ho-Oh and Lugia were able to be found in Gen 5 (though TBF the Gen 4 games were still required). They were also how BW2 players were able to get the Forces of Nature outside of trading with BW games.

Within the games themselves, they could also try a more focused version of the Mirage spots, an out of the way, places where the pokemon changes on a Daily basis, as well as some slight expanding on this. This place could be at the Aether Paradise, or 4-5 such places might exist on all the islands.

I think game freak might want to try at least one of these methods to attempt to bring some of the 400 species to USUM.
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I definitely think they'll go for the Dream Radar approach. Having a Switch app that could communicate with 3DS could help generate an audience on Switch before the first main series game comes out.
 
I see some expansion, maybe about 50-100 Pokémon. But I don't see the need to include every remaining Pokémon left. I also don't see the return of the National Dex ever. It is way more convenient now than it was before Gen VII. All the progress in one place is just a very efficient way of doing it.
 
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