How do you think Togepi would have been handled if Ash raised it instead?

[Cilan]

Togepi was originally Ash's pokemon anyway, so do you think that it would have been handled better if he did raise it instead of Misty? Since Ash actually battles wit his pokemon then I'm sure that the little egg pokemon would have learned some decent moves and possibly evolved in Johto at some point. It probably would have gotten Oaked after Johto but then when DP came around maybe Ash could have gave or traded Togepi(tic) to Dawn so that it could have evolved into Togekiss later on.

That's just how I could have seen it happening. Do you think Togepi should have been raised by Ash, or was it better off with Misty? Do you think it would have been exactly the same regardless of whether Ash or Misty kept it?

 

[TPrower]

I'm sure it would have been treated as a part of the team all the same, and would have bonded with Ash, but in all honesty, Togepi feels more like a Pokemon that's handled better in a female Trainer's care, if that makes sense. It's the sort of Pokemon that more deserves a mother's attention. Phanpy and Scraggy are different because they're more brute force Pokemon.

 

[Master Cyrus]

It would know the definition of a pokeball. Therefore it would be 100x better.

 

[Moe]

I think Brock should have raised Togepi - might have given some slight reason to his breeder goal, they only really did that well in my view when he got Bonsly. I think Togepi seriously hampered Misty's development, though considering they chucked an Azurill in her hands immediately after that so she could keep babying something - it was probably inevitable regardless of the specific Pokemon.

Ash on the other hand wouldn't make any sense, it's not a Pokemon that lends itself to battles - and if it had anything like a game moveset, it would mean Ash would be sending out a Pokemon and using Metronome and hoping for the best. Ash didn't need even more randomness in his move choices. Togetic could be good - but Noctowl was a far more interesting flying type for Ash - so it doesn't really fill a gap.

 

[Dr. Buni]

It would still be a Togepi today forgotten at Oak's laboratory like most of Satoshi's Pokémon.

 

[Hidden Mew]

I think that Togepi could have been in more battles, although depending on Metronome would get old after awhile. While the design wouldn't really fit with Ash, I would have preferred it since it would have been kind of cool to see Togepi battle more often instead of just being cute. I don't know if its chances for evolution would be any better, especially when it would still be a secondary mascot, but I wouldn't mind Ash getting a Togetic. A Togekiss would be awesome too, although I wouldn't mind it if it took Aipom's place with trading over with Dawn for Buizel instead of getting one handed to her just before the Grand Festival.

 

[SammyW27]

Togepi likely still would've been annoying & useless (thanks to being shoehorned into the show long before it gave the writers anything to work with), but at least Misty hopefully wouldn't have devolved into the dull do-nothing she was for much of the OS thereafter

 

[Little Miss Eevee]

I would MUCH have prefered Ash get Togepi rather than Misty. Misty sorta became dull in the OS, and it made me sad. ash wouldn't have had that problem, as his evolution into a mature and decent pokemon trainer (Until black and white, where he devolved into an idiot again) was a key point in the show.

 

[mwetwe]

Well Misty treated it more like a pet due to it being "cute" and "adorable". Although it is both of those things, Ash wouldent of waited that long to train it up. It would have probably evolved in johto under ash and yes, would have been poke-balled as he already has Pikachu out with him. I think it would have lost its cute appearance under ash, just due to his training methods. It would look fearce in battles.

 

[Litten]

It probably would've evolved sooner since Ash is a battler and he'd probably push Togepi to battle early on. To be honest, the idea of Ash with Togepi bothers me for that very reason. He isn't the motherly type, so I don't think Togepi would've been a good Pokemon for him. :x

 

[Master Cyrus]

LOL pokemon hateched from eggs generally hatch battle ready. Misty just coddled togepi to where it was nothing more than a helpless baby.

 

[pokemon fan 132]

Whether Togepi went to Ash or Brock, he wouldn't be treated any better than he was with Misty.
Back than when Misty received it, Togepi was treated as pretty big deal portraying it as rare and mysterious pokemon which foreshadowed release of Gold and Silver being second mascot along with Pikachu. Because of mascot status evolution was dropped out from window until Misty left cast, with writers having very clear policy about it. For same reason, Pikachu and Piplup never evolved, and Axew evolution is highly questionable at this point too.
Because in series like pokemon, advertizing always take precedence over development.

If Ash received Togepi he would probably keep it out of ball all the time because of its status at that time, which was impossible to happen in first place since he already had Pikachu fulfilling that role. Battling was out of option too, because writers policy about baby pokemon was different back than treating them as harmless and fragile little creatures who aren't capable of battling(something which didn't start to change until end of Johto).

So at end of the day, Misty really was best choice for Togepi investing lot of time, care and effort in his growth creating strong bond between trainer and pokemon. Since he evolves through happiness, she fulfilled that role by taking great care of it, reaching culmination in Hoenn when Togepi finally evolving.

Togepi also played some role in Misty characterization, being step toward maturity in future.

I think Brock should have raised Togepi - might have given some slight reason to his breeder goal, they only really did that well in my view when he got Bonsly. I think Togepi seriously hampered Misty's development, though considering they chucked an Azurill in her hands immediately after that so she could keep babying something - it was probably inevitable regardless of the specific Pokemon.

Im interested to hear how Togepi hampered Misty development? Because any lack of development was direct causation from writers, not Togepi.

Also Azurill unlike Togepi can actually battle, heal and wasn't all the time in Misty arms. Since he hatched from egg recently prior to meeting with Ash again, im not sure what was strange in staying out of pokeball for awhile either. Pikachu, Piplup or Axew are all the time outside pokeballs and i don't see anyone forming negative image out of this.

Togepi likely still would've been annoying & useless (thanks to being shoehorned into the show long before it gave the writers anything to work with), but at least Misty hopefully wouldn't have devolved into the dull do-nothing she was for much of the OS

Im not sure how xactly Togepi made Misty dull? Because last time i checked she was still full of personality, having that spunky and adventurous attitude after getting egg pokemon. When taking in account how most of Misty highlights and things she did came from Orange Islands, Johto and chronicles when she already had Togepi for quite awhile this makes even less sense. In comparison during Kanto Misty rarely battled, got almost no growth and did generally less than she did in upcoming sagas she was in.

She didn't received enough focus to properly shine, and there was definitely left untapped potential, but during majority of her run i find Misty was enjoyable character, adding extra flavor to cast with strong presence.

Fun fact: Misty had mother tendencies before Togepi even came into picture. It was first time showed with Horsea, being always part of character.

 

[3Dchu]

I think Togepi would gain a larger role in the mascot status. Ash would sometimes hold Togepi, or it would ride Pikachu's back or it would walk next to Ash. If Ash would keep it all the time even in Unova? Sure.

It would battle sometimes and once it's in a battle mood, it will turn into a fierce fighter.

It would be more like that Pocket Monsters gag manga, like Clefairy & Pikachu, but less gaggy.

 

[Caseydia]

I would have said yes a while ago but looking back, I really don't know what would have happened back then. Ash had pikachu out all the time, so I know that Togepi would have been in it's ball alot more. By how Phanpy was handled , I think it would have definetly evolved quicker.

 

[Charbok]

I really can't see Ash raising Togepi, since 'cute' pokemon really don't fit him in my eyes, and Togepi was supposed to be like a little baby who needed a mother figure to take care of it. Still, I do agree that it should have evolved in Johto. I don't get why that particular Togepi was the only one shown throughout the entire original series. I get that it was supposed to be rare during Kanto, but by Johto it was known that Togepi was a pokemon from that region. I think it would ahve been better if it evolved during Johto or we could have at least seen another Togepi or Togetic in the anime at that point. Whether it was Ash, Misty, or Brock raising it, I think it should have evolved in Johto.

 

[CrackFox]

I think it would have evolved quickly and received 80% less screentime. It probably would have gotten stronger faster but Togepi is a Pokemon that is cutest as a baby so I don't think it would have worked out in Ash's team. He wouldn't have given the time and care to it that Misty could and did.

 

[Gengarzilla]

Well, it would have been less annoying and would have done more than sit around and look cute...

 

[EmmySCx]

Demi-Peta Ash

I'm sorry, but all I'm getting from what people are saying is that Ash is a battle-hungry, forcing Pokemon to battle type of guy. I'm not sure when he got Paul syndrome and I'm not sure when we started to enter such an era where guys can't be motherly. Apparently, Ash isn't in touch with his feminine side or his maternal side enough to have ever cared for Pokemon or to have cross-dressed. The writers could do a bit if Ash were to have Togepi. Not in the ways that you guys would like, but it is plausible. No one mentioned in late Johto when Ash obtained a Larvitar egg. He was against Larvitar battling at different points in the episodes where Larvitar was showcased. There is no real definition of cute and as it is, isn't anything baby deciphered just as that? Sounds rather short-minded to assume that Togepi is a baby, it is cute, Ash will be horrible to it, and Misty is a female with motherly tendencies (...there's no way to teach people to parent, but it's in our behavior).

Ash keeping Togepi in a ball? Looking at it in a different perspectives: Ash is a ten year old who is on a journey with dangerous people (Team Rocket), dangerous Pokemon, and dangerous traveling. Remember when he was caved in snow? During the special where he had gone ahead and kept his Pokemon in Pokeballs because he knew they could at least keep safe in there? Misty hardly has Togepi in a Pokeball and Togepi usually gets caught into some sort of danger. So, it's OK to expose Togepi when it will be better kept in a Pokeball than to have Ash who apparently isn't motherly enough to handle Togepi? Part of being a trainer is to experience different Pokemon and having Togepi would have helped Ash develop in different areas. No, he wouldn't be all that great, but then again, we are talking about a 10 year old boy who is expected to automatically mature.

Back into reference with Larvitar, Ash never forced him to battle unless he wanted to. Larvitar battled only when he needed to and so did Togepi. That was their purpose. If Ash was going to battle a gym leader then he wouldn't always throw out his new, fresh Pokemon. He gave time and consideration (hard to believe, right?). I mean, look at Gliscor. During his pre-evolution, Ash didn't have him battle immediately. Instead, he had Gligar watch his battles and only sometimes battle other Pokemon. But that was when and if Gligar wanted to. Ash wouldn't force Togepi into battle if Togepi didn't want to. Then again, Pokemon are meant to battle (that's the objective, isn't it?), but Ash would respect which ways is done best for his Pokemon. Sure, he didn't notice at first that Aipom would do better in contests than battles. That's part of growing up - other people are around to suggest/criticize. So, he traded Aipom (contest battle-orientated) with Buizel (more regular battle-orientated).

Here are the possibilities that I've chosen:
- Ash gives Togepi to someone better suited
- Togepi helps out with his team and is a fellow teammate (getting help/advice from Brock/Misty (though, Misty didn't act so motherly about Ash and thought he wasn't handling Larvitar right))
- Ash proves to Paul that friendship is key and KOs Paul's Pokemon with Togepi since Togepi requires a good amount of friendship/happiness to grow/evolve. Most likely with low levels of frustration and/or high levels of return. (<- This is just for LOLs)
- Ash has Togepi just for the sake of continuing franchise.

Seriously though, Ash isn't a battle-hungry, money-greedy, beat-up-pokemon-in-battles type of guy.
Despite what certain people would make you think.
In fact, if he was that way, Togepi would soften his heart. <3
Maybe.
There could be a splatter of blood involved.

 

[Paulisthebest]

Re: Demi-Peta Ash

I'm sorry, but all I'm getting from what people are saying is that Ash is a battle-hungry, forcing Pokemon to battle type of guy. I'm not sure when he got Paul syndrome and I'm not sure when we started to enter such an era where guys can't be motherly. Apparently, Ash isn't in touch with his feminine side or his maternal side enough to have ever cared for Pokemon or to have cross-dressed. The writers could do a bit if Ash were to have Togepi. Not in the ways that you guys would like, but it is plausible. No one mentioned in late Johto when Ash obtained a Larvitar egg. He was against Larvitar battling at different points in the episodes where Larvitar was showcased. There is no real definition of cute and as it is, isn't anything baby deciphered just as that? Sounds rather short-minded to assume that Togepi is a baby, it is cute, Ash will be horrible to it, and Misty is a female with motherly tendencies (...there's no way to teach people to parent, but it's in our behavior).

Ash keeping Togepi in a ball? Looking at it in a different perspectives: Ash is a ten year old who is on a journey with dangerous people (Team Rocket), dangerous Pokemon, and dangerous traveling. Remember when he was caved in snow? During the special where he had gone ahead and kept his Pokemon in Pokeballs because he knew they could at least keep safe in there? Misty hardly has Togepi in a Pokeball and Togepi usually gets caught into some sort of danger. So, it's OK to expose Togepi when it will be better kept in a Pokeball than to have Ash who apparently isn't motherly enough to handle Togepi? Part of being a trainer is to experience different Pokemon and having Togepi would have helped Ash develop in different areas. No, he wouldn't be all that great, but then again, we are talking about a 10 year old boy who is expected to automatically mature.

Back into reference with Larvitar, Ash never forced him to battle unless he wanted to. Larvitar battled only when he needed to and so did Togepi. That was their purpose. If Ash was going to battle a gym leader then he wouldn't always throw out his new, fresh Pokemon. He gave time and consideration (hard to believe, right?). I mean, look at Gliscor. During his pre-evolution, Ash didn't have him battle immediately. Instead, he had Gligar watch his battles and only sometimes battle other Pokemon. But that was when and if Gligar wanted to. Ash wouldn't force Togepi into battle if Togepi didn't want to. Then again, Pokemon are meant to battle (that's the objective, isn't it?), but Ash would respect which ways is done best for his Pokemon. Sure, he didn't notice at first that Aipom would do better in contests than battles. That's part of growing up - other people are around to suggest/criticize. So, he traded Aipom (contest battle-orientated) with Buizel (more regular battle-orientated).

Here are the possibilities that I've chosen:
- Ash gives Togepi to someone better suited
- Togepi helps out with his team and is a fellow teammate (getting help/advice from Brock/Misty (though, Misty didn't act so motherly about Ash and thought he wasn't handling Larvitar right))
- Ash proves to Paul that friendship is key and KOs Paul's Pokemon with Togepi since Togepi requires a good amount of friendship/happiness to grow/evolve. Most likely with low levels of frustration and/or high levels of return. (<- This is just for LOLs)
- Ash has Togepi just for the sake of continuing franchise.

Seriously though, Ash isn't a battle-hungry, money-greedy, beat-up-pokemon-in-battles type of guy.
Despite what certain people would make you think.
In fact, if he was that way, Togepi would soften his heart. <3
Maybe.
There could be a splatter of blood involved.

Very good points, to be honest I've never really thought about how Togepi would have turned out under Ash's care. IMO 2 things may have happened; Togepi would forever be in Stage 1 for promotional reasons like most of Ash's team or it would have been a good battler given time to grow and develop.

Seriously, I never did like Togepi mainly because Misty never did anything with it, to me she was a mother like figure I can't like but just carrying it around all of the time and occasionally trying to teach it an attack (even Brock points out in one episode that Togepi should at least know some moves by now...thinking back it may have been Tracy that pointed that out I forget).

Its one of that "what might have been" cases with this Pokemon, as a kid I was ticked that Misty got it since Ash did find it, Brock taking care of it seemed to be the right choice I mean seriously back in Kanto, Ash was one of the last people I'd expect to take care of an egg carrying a Pokemon correctly.

 

[Master Cyrus]

Togepi was Misty's reason for existence after OI. By the time Johto came around she was only staying because the writers had no new pokegirl to promote so she held togepi. Besides from a couple of throway fillers and psyduck DEMing his way past kingler in the whirl cup Misty was completely replaceable in Johto. So yeah if Ash got Togepi Misty would have become DP brock only with a temper.