How would Ash do in a 6-on-6 battler vs Brandon?

[hhhhdmt]

Assuming he used his best pokemon, how would Ash do against Brandon if the latter used all three of his regi legendaries. Could Ash win?

And what team would u recomment for Ash to use here, (knowing that he can use both the Sinnoh and his older pokemon)?

 

[V Faction]

Uh... I dunno? Pretty good?

How do you want me to answer? Ash has decent Pokemon. Brandon has decent Pokemon. They could tie.

I'd much rather see Ash's experience facing an Elite 4 member.

 

[hhhhdmt]

no i was just thinking. Each time Ash battled Brandon, he only used one legendary. But against Paul he used all three.

I agree with Ash facing an elite four member but its probably not going to happen unless Ash wins the sinnoh league which is not very likely.

 

[Daren]

I think Ash could take it, if he's battling at the top of his game.

Torkoal almost beat Registeel and the The King had, as I recall, taken over part way through the battle with Regirock--so it wasn't entirely Ash that lost that one.

It'd be the trickiest battle he'd have up to this point, though.

What I'd use:
*Charizard--but be careful this time, and stop forgetting that Ghosts are immune to Normal attacks.
*Bulbasaur
*Squirtle
*Pikachu
^These four were able to handle Regice and the non Legends. For good, reliably powerful reserves:
*Snorlax
*Sceptile--strong against two of Brandon's team.

 

[Metabee]

Well, Brandon doesn't actually have the Regis anymore as far as I know, so it's possible if there was a 6-on-6 battle against the two of them, Brandon'd have to use Pokémon just as strong and in the same "tier" as Ash's are. It would probably be close, but Brandon would probably win out of experience.

 

[V Faction]

^Right, exactly. Brandon would be given just a standard fare of Pokemon to use, maybe the ones he had when up against Ash plus whatever assortment they pick to fill in the rest.

Which means it's just like any top-tier battle. But Brandon had his time with Ash (and Paul too), so I'd be more eager to see Ash up against the top trainers whom we haven't seen battle him before yet. Like, for instance, Cynthia - if we're shooting for Pie in the Sky dreams here.

 

[Iteru]

I think Ash would probably lose. His previous 4 vs 4 win screamed out 3 certain letters.

 

[Sketch]

Well, Brandon doesn't actually have the Regis anymore as far as I know, so it's possible if there was a 6-on-6 battle against the two of them, Brandon'd have to use Pokémon just as strong and in the same "tier" as Ash's are. It would probably be close, but Brandon would probably win out of experience.

Nothing implied that he released or gave away the Regis. He's at the temple with them.

 

[Metabee]

Nothing implied that he released or gave away the Regis. He's at the temple with them.

Fair enough. I'd still like Brandon to use Pokémon on similar power tiers as Ash's Pokémon, as then he wouldn't have to rely on the power of the Regis so much.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

Depends which Pokemon both Ash and Brandon use. It could go either way...but I'd have to say probably Brandom would win. Just sayin'

 

[Mr. Bicurious]

Lose miserably, especially if he used Charizard, it isn't strong at all. It lost to his Dusclops.

 

[Duckgon Z]

When he had to use his strongest Pokemon facing Brandon's group of ragtags and 1 freshly caught Regi and barely edged out the win thanks to DEMchu...how do you think he would do against the ragtags and 3 expertly Regis?

He'd probably beat the rag tags, but after that he'd probably get slapped around pretty bad.

 

[Hellion]

I think Ash would probably lose. His previous 4 vs 4 win screamed out 3 certain letters.

It screamed let's promote the heck out out of Kanto and celebrate the tenth anniversary of the anime... And let's remember to everybody the bad writing of Kanto (the original series had some very good moments) by just doing the "bubasaur and squirtle are abnormaly strong and win everything" scenario... And pikachu defeating a legendary... No, just no... Chariard defeats an articuno, I dont feel cheated... Pikachu defeates a regice... i feel cheated... Those episodes were some of the worse writing that the AG gave us...

That being said, to answer the thread... Which pokemon would Ash use and what pokemon would brandon use ??? Irrelevant... Given that both of those are determined by the writers... it's just a question of Do the writers want Ash to win ? as was proven by his last battle with Brandon...

 

[Daren]

They COULD have had Regice go down without as much silliness is what annoys me. It had to use Rest twice; just have Volt Tackle connect before it finished healing the second time. There, less silly end.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If Jindai is using all of his Regis, then I think Satoshi would definitely lose, although he would fair much better than Shinji did (who didn't really have his best team and had no prep time since the whole match was impromptu).

 

[hhhhdmt]

It screamed let's promote the heck out out of Kanto and celebrate the tenth anniversary of the anime... And let's remember to everybody the bad writing of Kanto (the original series had some very good moments) by just doing the "bubasaur and squirtle are abnormaly strong and win everything" scenario... And pikachu defeating a legendary... No, just no... Chariard defeats an articuno, I dont feel cheated... Pikachu defeates a regice... i feel cheated... Those episodes were some of the worse writing that the AG gave us...

That being said, to answer the thread... Which pokemon would Ash use and what pokemon would brandon use ??? Irrelevant... Given that both of those are determined by the writers... it's just a question of Do the writers want Ash to win ? as was proven by his last battle with Brandon...

So Squirtle and Bulbasaur being strong is abnormal, yet a wild Buizel being able to defeat a Piplup, Glameow and a Pikachu and fly in the air like a flying pokemon is perfectly realistic? Or how about the DP non flying pokemon flying in the air for 10-20 seconds and being able to jump like 50 feet? Atleast the orignal series did not give us such crap, i dont ever recall Bulbasaur or Squirtle being able to lietrally fly or jump 50 feet like the sinnoh pokemon can.

and how were Bulba and Squirtle so unrealistically strong? Bulbasaur defeated Dusclops after it had been weakened by Charizard and then tied with Solrock. Squirtle defated a Ninjask before losing to Solrock.

 

[Hellion]

So Squirtle and Bulbasaur being strong is abnormal, yet a wild Buizel being able to defeat a Piplup, Glameow and a Pikachu and fly in the air like a flying pokemon is perfectly realistic? Or how about the DP non flying pokemon flying in the air for 10-20 seconds and being able to jump like 50 feet? Atleast the orignal series did not give us such crap, i dont ever recall Bulbasaur or Squirtle being able to literally fly or jump 50 feet like the sinnoh pokemon can.

You mean like how squirtle was able to fly around like a flying saucer when it was using hydro pump ? DP series has much more solid storylines, more well developped characters and more amazing battles than Kanto ever had... But in my post, I was talking about the third fight Ash had with Brandon that reminded me (what I considered) the badside of Kanto writing which was bulbasaur and squirtle's power level being supercharged like they were on steroids or somenthing... See, Charizard defeats an Articuno, I don't feel cheated, it's believable... (well, as believable as pokemon gets...) but bulbasaur and squirtle (and pikachu) always found a way to win against other pokemon that they should have been destroyed against... not believable and bad writing... I felt cheated...

I'll take supercharged jumps in every 75-100 episodes over reliving the Kanto days of giving Ash superstrong pokemon when he's a rookie trainer, making him win 5 out of 8 gyms without defeating the gym leader.

 

[hhhhdmt]

Squirtle using Hydropump is not the same as Buizel jumping in the air and actually fighting in the air for a long time. Kanto and even Johto pokemon did not have the superman ability to jump fifty feet, it seems laughable. I dont think Squirtle has ever been potrayed anywhere near as strong as Buizel was, i mean Buizel took down three pokemon, including an electric type, in its debut episode.

How is Bulbasaur supposed to get destroyed against a weakened Dusclops or against a Solrock that it has a type advantage over? Ninjask is hardly legendary, its not a shocker that a high level Squirtle could defeat a Ninjask, its not like Squirtle beat Zapdos. Pikachu, yes, it has always seemed very unrealistic of how strong it was/is, that will always be there in the anime. Btw Ash won 4 out of 8 gyms without beating the trainer (giovanni left jessie, jeames incharge of his pokemon remember), and he might have won against Erika too had it not been for TR. Lets not forget the orange islands and all the traing Ash's pokemon got there. Plus they did return at the end of Johto for some battling.

 

[Hellion]

Squirtle using Hydropump is not the same as Buizel jumping in the air and actually fighting in the air for a long time. Kanto and even Johto pokemon did not have the superman ability to jump fifty feet, it seems laughable. I dont think Squirtle has ever been potrayed anywhere near as strong as Buizel was, i mean Buizel took down three pokemon, including an electric type, in its debut episode.

How is Bulbasaur supposed to get destroyed against a weakened Dusclops or against a Solrock that it has a type advantage over? Ninjask is hardly legendary, its not a shocker that a high level Squirtle could defeat a Ninjask, its not like Squirtle beat Zapdos. Pikachu, yes, it has always seemed very unrealistic of how strong it was/is, that will always be there in the anime. Btw Ash won 4 out of 8 gyms without beating the trainer (giovanni left jessie, jeames incharge of his pokemon remember), and he might have won against Erika too had it not been for TR. Lets not forget the orange islands and all the traing Ash's pokemon got there. Plus they did return at the end of Johto for some battling.

OMG, let it go, I didn't like the first battle with Brandon because it reminded me how much I didn't like how throughout their history, Bulbasaur and Squirtle have always been portrayed as too strong in my opinion... You're entitled to your own opinion, but so am I... the thing I sorta dislike is how everybody is sorta looking at the Kanto starters and the whole original series through the rose-colored glasses of nostalgia... Kanto wasn't all that great, it had good moments and good pokemons... As pokemon, I liked bulbasaur and squirtle's personnalities but they were portrayed as waaaaaaay to strong and it hindered their storylines... What's interesting is the struggle, the way pokemon and trainer learn from each battle and become stronger... Otherwise, if the pokemon is already super strong, there's nothing else to do with it...

As for buizel being super strong... OMG, that's one episode, at the very beginning of Johto, when neither Dawn nor Zoey were strong battlers and where the next episode was Buizel getting demolished by Lucian... as for the super jumps... Seriously, have you ever watched anime... cause that's not just the DP series, that's almost every anime ever...

Now back on topic, Brandon would beat Ash if he used all three regis there I said it...

 

[hhhhdmt]

fair enough, everyones entitled to their own opinion. I just hate it when people say that Squirtle an Bulbasaur were potrayed as super strong without actually giving any reasons for it.

And no, i have never watched any other anime other then pokemon. My point was in the Kanto and Johto sagas, pokemon did not have the magical ability to jump 50 feet. Anyway i never said Kanto was perfect, both Kanto series and Dp saga have their own strengths and positive points about them.