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How would Movie 14 fit in canon?

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We have two movies here: Reshiram and the Light Hero, and Zekrom and the Dark Hero, each with a few differences.

Even though much of the differences are small, how would the stories fit into the main story?
 
Iirc, the only Pokémon movies that have even attempted to fit into the canon are Pokémon the First Movie, Pokémon 2000 and Lucario and the Mystery of Mew. Not every movie has to fit into the canon, and I'd say that this would be one of the examples of those which do not.
 
Not being brought up again is not the same thing as "not being canon."

That said, I don't think these movies, like last year's Zorro'ark movie, are supposed to fit in anywhere. Some of the earlier ones can fit, sure, but I don't see any reason to believe that these two do.
 
When Grey comes out, we will get another movie nearly identical to this one featuring Kyurem which will be the canon movie.
 
I know I know I know!!! It was actually a movie written by LUKE. So instead of the stuff actually happening it was merely a movie and the third one is what actually happened ^^
 
Dogasu said:
Not being brought up again is not the same thing as "not being canon."

That said, I don't think these movies, like last year's Zorro'ark movie, are supposed to fit in anywhere. Some of the earlier ones can fit, sure, but I don't see any reason to believe that these two do.
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What are you talking about, Dogasu? Movie 13 probably takes place the ep before Ash sees his old Pokemon again and Cynda evovles right before the league. Just because the timing was messed up doesn't matter.

Likewise had the TR/TP fiasco not happened, this movie wouldn't have debuted in the middle of a tournament.
 
Let's assume, for the sake of continuity, that both films takes place at some point after Iris acquires her Emolga. Emolga was the most recent obtained pokemon that any main character had obtained who was actually seen in both films.

The problem this time around is that both films go off into completely different tangents. Certain characters like Dread and Ash go through separate and different things in both films. For example, Ash's Pikachu battles a Gothitelle in White Hero and a Reuniclus in Black Hero. We cannot say that Pikachu battles both of those pokemon, because this doesn't happen in either film. Furthermore, Ash and Dread also befriend the opposite dragon in both films.

Other characters, such as Janta and Carlita, use pokemon that play an important role in both films; yet those pokemon are colored differently depending on each film.

As Dogasu mentioned, it is impossible for either one of these two films to fit into any anime canon.

It should not make any difference if one of the two films had a comic adaption, and the other did not.
 
Technically, one movie could be confirmed canon, thereby invalidating the other. That wouldn't be worse than neither one of them being canon.

But for all intents and purposes, not even the DP movie trilogy are canon. The writers had numerous opportunities throughout the DP series to reference the movies, but they never did anything - not even in DP040 which aired right after Movie 10. In the Galactic finale, which aired after Movie 12, Arceus was still referred to as the mysterious Original One, as if Ash and co. had never seen it.
 
Gliscor'd said:
What are you talking about, Dogasu? Movie 13 probably takes place the ep before Ash sees his old Pokemon again and Cynda evovles right before the league.
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They were on a boat headed for Suzuran Island right before that.

Silktree said:
But for all intents and purposes, not even the DP movie trilogy are canon. The writers had numerous opportunities throughout the DP series to reference the movies, but they never did anything with it - not even in DP040 which aired right after Movie 10.
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...how does that make them "not canon"?
 
Zekrom is in ball form in BOTH movies, correct? If so, it's not canon. Zekrom appears as a roaming legendary in the first Best Wishes episode.
 
Adamant said:
...how does that make them "not canon"?
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It proves that there is no point to considering them canon. Those movies didn't affect the DP series at all, and they very well could have.

Kameinu said:
Zekrom is in ball form in BOTH movies, correct? If so, it's not canon. Zekrom appears as a roaming legendary in the first Best Wishes episode.
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In the Reshiram movie, Zekrom only appears in stone form during a flashback. That movie could still be proven canon, but it probably won't.

The problem is that the game canon doesn't seem to apply to the anime, either, or else Zekrom wouldn't have even been alive at the start of the series.
 
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Silktree said:
In the Reshiram movie, Zekrom only appears in stone form during a flashback. That movie could still be canon, but it probably won't.

The problem is that the game canon doesn't seem to apply to the anime, either, or else Zekrom wouldn't have even been alive at the start of the series.
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Exactly, if not Rayquaza would be at Sky Pilar and not hanging out in space. Lol.

So if one could be canon it's possibly the Reshiram movie then... Either way I don't really care since I've almost given up on continuity within that show. Just wanted to point that out since in all debates on the canonicity of this movies it's never brought up. >_>
 
Silktree said:
It proves that there is no point to considering them canon. Those movies didn't affect the DP series at all, and they very well could have.
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There must be a lot of episodes you don't consider "canon", then.
 
Silktree said:
But for all intents and purposes, not even the DP movie trilogy are canon. The writers had numerous opportunities throughout the DP series to reference the movies, but they never did anything
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In that Crecelia ep, Hikari showed Junsa the Lunar Wing she bought in the Darkrai movie.
 
Silktree said:
Can you bring up any episode whose outcome should have been mentioned a few episodes later, and yet wasn't?
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Nope. Can't come up with a movie whose outcome should have been mentioned a few episodes later, and yet wasn't, either.
 
Flynn said:
In that Crecelia ep, Hikari showed Junsa the Lunar Wing she bought in the Darkrai movie.
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That's nice, but they didn't do anything with that wing (which could have been a fake just like the ones Team Rocket were selling), nor did they seem to know much about Darkrai and the fact that it was not supposed to be needlessly aggressive. I'm not arguing that the DP movies are definitely not canon, but rather that they might as well not be.

Adamant said:
Nope. Can't come up with a movie whose outcome should have been mentioned a few episodes later, and yet wasn't, either.
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So it wasn't relevant that unlike Cynthia, Ash and co. had actually seen Dialga and Palkia, but instead of telling her about it were clueless as to what the hype was all about?
 
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