How would you buff/change a existing Alolan pokemon?

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-Palossand:
Watercompaction would half water damage, rise both defences +1, activate also during rain.
Shore Up would work during rain and sandstorm.
would give it 95 sp. defence, not 75, speed could fall from 35 to 15.
 
Crimson Dagger said:
Giving Inceneroar a considerable boost in its base speed stat - The same goes for Vikavolt.
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how would the attack change? 116 attack and 60 speed?
100 attack and 76 speed???
but it is a revenge killer?

ZLucario said:
I would swap Decidueye's Sp Attack with its speed. It's a SLOW mixed attacker with meh defenses? ugh. We have so few speedy grass types and I don't think we have a fast Ghost physical attacker (maybe Banette? Even with its mega it is trash)
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sp. attack 100,
speed 70,
defence 75,

If they would give it 100 defence, 75 speed and 70 sp . attack? but would that solve the problem?
It has a other role then sceptile, serperior and other type advantage and disadvantage...

Maybe they wanted pokes that are matched up against Emboar, Sammurott, Chesnaught and Torterra?
is that realy so bad? with priority moves, combos , team play and strategies?
 
Matleo said:
sp. attack 100,
speed 70,
defence 75,

If they would give it 100 defence, 75 speed and 70 sp . attack? but would that solve the problem?
It has a other role then sceptile, serperior and other type advantage and disadvantage...

Maybe they wanted pokes that are matched up against Emboar, Sammurott, Chesnaught and Torterra?
is that realy so bad? with priority moves, combos , team play and strategies?
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The problem is: it dies before it can even move. Sucker Punch with no STAB doesn't help it. It can't pull off the tricks most other ghosts do because other than Toxic it can't cause status, it doesn't get Will-o-wisp or Thunder Wave like other ghosts. It's utility moves are not helpful to it. It can't even be a sweeper because it's so slow (and even then, its coverage is totally lacking). Either give it more useful status moves or increase the speed so it can attack effectively. But in the state it is now it is like a totally useless jack-of-all-trades, it could do a lot of things but fails in all of them.

100 speed and 70 sp. attack would be better, considering its helpful moves are physical and since it's weak to so many types it can't play a defensive role.
 
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ZLucario said:
The problem is: it dies before it can even move. Sucker Punch with no STAB doesn't help it. It can't pull off the tricks most other ghosts do because other than Toxic it can't cause status, it doesn't get Will-o-wisp or Thunder Wave like other ghosts. It's utility moves are not helpful to it. It can't even be a sweeper because it's so slow (and even then, its coverage is totally lacking). Either give it more useful status moves or increase the speed so it can attack effectively. But in the state it is now it is like a totally useless jack-of-all-trades, it could do a lot of things but fails in all of them.

100 speed and 70 sp. attack would be better, considering its helpful moves are physical and since it's weak to so many types it can't play a defensive role.
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Yes I know, traping is not good if you need to wait and use it wise...
Owls are a symbol of Wisdom you know.
Maybe it not got stab from Sucker Punch, but many psychic and ghost type should fear 110 attack stats.
U-turn comes in hand.
Omnious Wind is not that bad.
Facade would be really better if it could set other kind of stats too, but it has it.

If it got Gale Wings , would it be better? Imagine a priority Brave Bird or Acrobatics?
what is about special flying type moves like air slash or air cutter? Other pokemon get it.
or if it got a immunity against flying types(Spirit Wings)?

Or "Bounce"? this one really should happen. Then it could paralyze the foe too. Greninja is already faster and is adak type means good agaisnt ghost.

Smack Down is usefull or not, would be more if the foe would not be able to use flying type moves for 2 turns and not only lose its flying type immunity.

Hope it gets Will-o-wisp, Drain Punch, Grass Whistle(or hipnosis), Dream Eater, X-Scizor, Silver Wind(needs better bug coverage against dark and psychic then only physical U-turn with 70 power), and a good ground type move to use with Smack Down.

Yes it is slower then Blaziken with its speed 80, and yeah it relaly would need a little buff in that direction.

Yes shadow sneak would be good, but its lame that spirit Schakle only traps the foe, what if the foe is already trapped?
then it could/should become a priority move if it already trapped it. But thats only a opinion.
If its really so speedy in dex entries then Extream Speed and speed and priority options need to hapen in future.
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Incineroar got Fake Out with 116 attack stats, isn't that powerfull?
But it also would need a little other coverage or better ability.
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Comala and Comatose, this pokemon would deserve a wake up form that could have had 2 times higher stats.
Or a secondary typing like Dark or Steel against Drem Eater and grass types.
Maybe in future it could get a "mega form" normal/ground with Sap Sipper? or normal/steel with Fur Coat?
 
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Incineroar:

could see him use Surf? (Emboar got Scald)
and get a rock type move. Ancient Power? Rock Tomb? Rock Blast? Rock Slide?
Electric move? Thunder Fang?
Psychic? Psychic Fangs? Psycho Cut?
Grass? Trop Kick? Bullet seed?(maybe not needs grass moves)
 
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GhostLucario said:
The problem is: it dies before it can even move. Sucker Punch with no STAB doesn't help it. It can't pull off the tricks most other ghosts do because other than Toxic it can't cause status, it doesn't get Will-o-wisp or Thunder Wave like other ghosts. It's utility moves are not helpful to it. It can't even be a sweeper because it's so slow (and even then, its coverage is totally lacking). Either give it more useful status moves or increase the speed so it can attack effectively. But in the state it is now it is like a totally useless jack-of-all-trades, it could do a lot of things but fails in all of them.

100 speed and 70 sp. attack would be better, considering its helpful moves are physical and since it's weak to so many types it can't play a defensive role.
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They at least gave it curse which can raise attack and help sucker punch, but yeah it is kind of lacking.
 
GhostLucario said:
And as for boosting moves it gets both SD and Nasty Plot but with bad defenses AND bad speed it'll be dead before you say cheese
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the same goes with Incineroar.
What would you say if Incineroar would get the Sturdy ability and Decidueye would get the Disquise or maybe Prankster(for Curse) ability?

No fire or dark type , no starter pokemon got Sturdy till now.
Tigers are known for being Sturdy and live in harsh conditions.
"No Water Compaction".

On the other hand we dont know what they have planned for future starters.
If we get a slow fire/steel starter then we would need a ability to half ground damage and rise both defences at the same time?
or it will get Prankster and learn Magnet Rise?

Yes we never got a starter with Prankster.
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the same goes for Multiscale and other abilities.
 
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Maybe shorten Exeggutor's neck. Have no idea what's going on with that neck it's just way too long.
 
Lycanroc needs a better movepool. Also, the midnight form has stats that are not as good as midday form. I love midday form but it's a shame midnight form got a bit of the shaft. If the defenses were supposed to be better, that's pretty sad. They are terrible.

Incineroar has a decent movepool to make use of his attack power but I wish he was faster.
 
Matleo said:
the same goes with Incineroar.
What would you say if Incineroar would get the Sturdy ability and Decidueye would get the Disquise or maybe Prankster(for Curse) ability?
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I honestly hadn't considered it because unlike Decidueye, Incineroar's movepool is a-ma-zing and it has the stats to back it up and even nice defenses. It has every move it could want and more. So I wouldn't give it a defensive ability like sturdy. To capitalize on its offensive capabilities, something that increased its speed would be really nice, like Speed boost or a fire version of Chlorophyll/Sand Rush/Swift Swim. It already has good movepool and attacking stats, it only lacks speed.

As for Decidueye, I maintain my point, it needs to have its stats rearranged (a slow mixed attacker with bad defense makes no sense) or a better support movepool. It hardly has any moves to abuse Prankster anyway.
 
AnimePsyclone said:
But it has moves that can shut down entire sets(Perish Song mons and Primarina). It’s god-tier. Besides, Choice Scarf it.
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But, they didn't give it the move it was made for!! Sucker Punch is the surprise attack, and unfair attack, and Incineroar battles unfairly!
It wouldn't need a scarf if it runs priority! A 80 BP priority would be the best it can get! I'm sure it would increase Incineroar's tier greatly. Even Decidueye got it!
 
PkmnTrainerV said:
But, they didn't give it the move it was made for!! Sucker Punch is the surprise attack, and unfair attack, and Incineroar battles unfairly!
It wouldn't need a scarf if it runs priority! A 80 BP priority would be the best it can get! I'm sure it would increase Incineroar's tier greatly. Even Decidueye got it!
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But does it need it? Does not having it ruin it forever? Chances are, it will get more moves via Move Tutor, and maybe Sucker Punch will be one of them.
 
GhostLucario said:
movepool and attacking stats, it only lacks speed.
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Sturdy would allow it to survive a water, ground, fighting or rock attack in the first turn and strike back next one, deas every starter pokemon needs to be fast as Infernape, Sceptile and Greninja?
It could survive Sceptiles Focus Blast, Greninjas Water Schuriken and Infernapes Close Combat and use a counter measure like a fire move, Revenge or Acrobatics.
It could even survive a fairy or water move of Primarina and any other water type starter.
Sturdy is a good ability and its weird that a starter never got it in the past.
I would really want to see a fire, water and grass with it.
People forget about priority moves like Sucker Punch, Fake Out?
In future they could create a fire, grass, water version of First Impression or Extream Speed?(But maybe one that not works in the first turn or something like that)
Or better moves and abilitties for the defensive side.
I know that they made failures with Chesnaught, but they would only need to make that every needle move used after the move spiky shield should get priority.

Sucker Punch was given to Deciduey and not to Incineroar because of there types.
Incineroar could get Extreem Speed, its a Tiger... but they gave it Fake Out thats interesting.


Deciduey has a new friend in Long Reach, that also should allow it to ignore the move Reflect.
Maybe they could buff somehow Long Reach and make that moves from the oponent also respond somehow? Half damage of contact moves against it(special and others) and that the effect not activates? The only other nice thing would be Gale Wings, but only if it can survive a physical hit.
 
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I wouldn't say Incineroar has everything it wants. Sucker Punch, Pursuit and Knock Off are the biggest Dark-type moves and it lacks all three. Darkest Lariat and Crunch are fine for now, but there's not much utility behind them that Incineroar could benefit from. Whenever Intimidate is released, using Pursuit to catch something trying to switch or Knocking Off something trying to come in would add a bit of flexability to Incineroar's options.

PkmnTrainerV said:
A 80 BP priority
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