How you feel about Ash getting thrown a Legendary at the Sinnoh

[Masurao]

Serving as the "black-sheep" to the thread Gible made, how do you feel about the writers randomly throwing Ash a Legendary to beat in the league. Do you find it cheap, and sorry excuse to get Ash to lose. Do you think it serves to show Ash's development as a trainer effectively? Feel free to state your opinion.

As for how I feel about, I'm sure form my previous post you know I feel it incredibly cheap excuse to have Ash lose. I know he's around supposedly forever. But why give Dawn and powerful pokemon, and throw Ash a legendary to beat. Yes, he'll most likely beat Paul, but why couldn't he have faced Paul in the finals? What is the point of throwing a legendary at him for the sake to losing? Based on the build-up he had Paul have had it would make more sense to have him beat him in the finals, then lose to some random COTD the character introduced at the last minute.

 

[Cybersai]

As long as he beats it, I don't care.

If he loses to it, yes I'll be annoyed.

 

[The One and Only....]

I feel their running out of ideas for Ash to lose a league so they throw him a curve ball to make in extremely difficult for him to win. Its cheap..but Dawn can win a GF here first time through and people defend her to the end I just don't get it.

 

[Smugleaf]

garchomp isn't legendary

 

[Dawn~]

They don't mean Garchomp.

And yeah, I know what you mean. Personally, I think Ash'll win either way. I really feel that he's going to win this time. Cheap and unfair if he loses to a stupid legendary, but whatever.

My opinion on the matter is that Ash should get something along those lines! Or at least a Garchomp. ;D

 

[PlatinumDude]

I find it a random thing for the writers to do to let Ash challenge a legendary Pokemon in the League. As long as Ash does well against it, I'm okay with it.

 

[GrovyleGuru]

It seems to me that this would be the best excuse that could be given for Ash to lose this league. Though I consider it cheap (especially since Legendaries are basically sacred creatures in the anime that really aren't meant to be caught), I'm not surprised by the move the writers have made here either.

As a side note, I can't help but think that the writers may have even made a play on words, and by Ash facing "a legendary pokemon", they could throw him up against an Arcanine. Now, if he lost to that pokemon, then I'd be truly irritated.

 

[Hellion]

I have the sinking feeling that Ash will beat the legendary (-ies) but lose to a regular pokémon.

Bottom line, as long as the battle is good and it shows how far Ash and his pokémon have progressed, I'm cool with it.

Its cheap..but Dawn can win a GF here first time through and people defend her to the end I just don't get it.

Yes, because Dawn has proven that she has the level to win a Grand Festival. If you take Dawn's arc seperately from Ash or May's arcs, it makes total sense that she wins this GF as all of her main rivals were shown to be on equal footing with her and her whole arc was about catching up to Zoey. As an arc, it makes sense.

Do I think it's cheap that the writers are throwing a legendary at Ash ? Probably, but at the same time, it could be Manaphy or Heatran, neither of them has been shown to be super powerful in the anime. Ash could still defeat the legendary and lose to something else.

 

[Magmortar123]

I have the sinking feeling that Ash will beat the legendary (-ies) but lose to a regular pokémon.


Do I think it's cheap that the writers are throwing a legendary at Ash ? Probably, but at the same time, it could be Manaphy or Heatran, neither of them has been shown to be super powerful in the anime. Ash could still defeat the legendary and lose to something else.

This. I think it's unfair, but we still don't know who this legendary is.

 

[Cascada]

As long as Ash gave it his all, who can really be mad. I don't see him getting Top 8 again. That's just fucked up and cruel.

 

[The One and Only....]

Yes, because Dawn has proven that she has the level to win a Grand Festival. If you take Dawn's arc seperately from Ash or May's arcs, it makes total sense that she wins this GF as all of her main rivals were shown to be on equal footing with her and her whole arc was about catching up to Zoey. As an arc, it makes sense.

Ash's whole Kanto Arc was about him catching up with Gary...does that mean he deserved to win the Kanto League. Or does Dawn just "Deserve" it more <--- (last sentence was sacrcasm

 

[OneOfTheDragons]

Yes, yes, Ash fighting with legendary pokemon again seems cool, but I wonder how it will work, prevent him from wining league? That would be just...god what the f**k.

 

[dman_dustin]

I love it because then Ash gets to battle a really powerful Pokemon. If he does win it, I'll be really glad they threw in a legendary. If he loses though, while I'll be disappointed it is believable.

Of course then there is sort of the questions of: Which legendary Pokemon? and who owns it?

 

[Arvo92]

I would like to see Ash win, but if he puts up a really good fight and not get totally dominated by it then it would be alright by me.

 

[Cybersai]

If Ash loses to the legendary, everything they did in DP was a lie.

 

[Masurao]

If Ash loses to the legendary, everything they did in DP was a lie.

I kinda lol'ed for some reason.

At any rate, I feel as though given the similar development both Ash, and Dawn have had this season it's only fair if they both win. It shouldn't matter who's around longer. This season was about recovering from defeat, and bouncing back strong after all. We have Dawn to win the GF to show that (and yes, all her rivals are the same level as her, or around that.) We should have Ash win the league.

 

[BugMite]

If Ash loses to the legendary, everything they did in DP was a lie.

Didn't you already make a similar post on this thread?

 

[Hellion]

Ash's whole Kanto Arc was about him catching up with Gary...does that mean he deserved to win the Kanto League. Or does Dawn just "Deserve" it more <--- (last sentence was sacrcasm

Key words here...

If you take Dawn's arc seperately from Ash or May's arcs

If you don't compare and only look at Dawn's arc (even if you do compare...), its structure and the characters in it, it makes total sense to have Dawn winning the Grand Festival, because she was always shown to be on equal footing with her rivals, never totally out of reach. It was always clear that she had the level required to beat her rivals. Dawn took part in 11 contests throughout DP had to win all of ribbons against strong opponents and had to struggle, gain her confidence back, learn, train all of her pokémon (well almost all of them... looks at the fat bird...) and get better each time. It only makes sense that she wins the GF this time around.

That being said... this Grand Festival is eroding the feeling that her arc created for me. Her arc was believable, this Grand Festival... not so much. Not because she's winning it, but the how she's winning it and against whom, but that's another topic.

If Ash loses to the legendary, everything they did in DP was a lie.

And the award for the most overdramatic post goes to...

I'm thinking a gen II, gen IV or gen V legendary, I still think we might have had the answer all along in the openning with Entei, Darkai and Lucario.

Still I see Ash beating the legendary, but ultimately being defeated by another pokémon. On the other hand, at the end of each saga, Ash fought first a pseudo-legendary (Drake's Dragonite) then a Legendary (Brandon's Regice) and defeated them. Defeating two legendary this time seems like the next logical step.

 

[Masurao]

It was always clear that she had the level required to beat her rivals. Dawn took part in 11 contests throughout DP had to win all of ribbons against strong opponents and had to struggle, gain her confidence back, learn, train all of her pokémon (well almost all of them... looks at the fat bird...) and get better each time. It only makes sense that she wins the GF this time around.

That being said... this Grand Festival is eroding the feeling that her arc created for me. Her arc was believable, this Grand Festival... not so much. Not because she's winning it, but the how she's winning it and against whom, but that's another topic.

Points I bolded should apply to Ash as well. He had to win his badges against strong opponents. He had to get better each time, etc, etc. I don't see why Dawn is entitled to a win, and Ash is not. The both were developed similarly, so if Ash doesn't win it'll feel like a "slap in the face" to him.

As for your Fat bird comment:

I just find it kinda funny actually.

Writers: Here Dawn have a powerhouse to help you win the finals, congrats on the win.

Writers: Lol, Ash...here's a legendary for you to beat in order to win in the finals.

 

[Hellion]

Points I bolded should apply to Ash as well. He had to win his badges against strong opponents. He had to get better each time, etc, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree. I think that Ash has been developped simiralily to Dawn. The point I was making is if you take Dawn's storyline independantly wihtout looking at anybody else's and just considering the structure of her story, it makes sense that she's winning.

I don't see why Dawn is entitled to a win, and Ash is not. The both were developed similarly, so if Ash doesn't win it'll feel like a "slap in the face" to him.

I don't think Dawn's entitled to a win, but I think that given her developpement, given the way her arc was shaped, having her win is totally justified and believable. The same thing apply to Ash's arc and developpement.

I just find it kinda funny actually.

Writers: Here Dawn have a powerhouse to help you win the finals, congrats on the win.

Writers: Lol, Ash...here's a legendary for you to beat in order to win in the finals.

I second that. Togekiss would have worked, but not used in the finals. Dawn could have won with her own pokémon, that she's trained, they didn't need to use Togekiss in the finals, now it just looks like she needed a leg up to reach her competition, when she's always been right there with them. An awesome battle where Piplup does most of the heavy lifting could save this though.

Though, two things... we still don't know which legendary and we still don't know if Ash loses against this guy or in the League.

The more interesting question since we're all assuming that Ash loses to this guy would be if Ash wins the entire league, defeating alon the way a trainer with 1-2 legendaries, does that make the win cheap or unbelievable ? I mean, Pikachu v Regice reeked of bad writing... to have that x2...

The writers seem to be relying to much on the Rule of Cool to cover their Ass pull moments, so I wouldn't put it past them to have Ash win the league in a totally unbelievable fashion against some legendary pokémon just cause it looks "cool".