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I'm building an all ice team, and i was hoping i could get some suggestions.

so far the slots are

abomasnow
froslass
glaceon
glalie
lapras
mamoswine

i might sub out glalie for walrein, but that's about it. does anyone have any ideas?
 
What DCM said. Also, yes definitely switch Glalie for Walrein; it is so much better.
 
would switching abomasnow with Weavile be better? Abomasnow is not a great part ice type. Plus with weavile, you'd get a dark pokemon.
 
Are you kidding? This is an ice team. Obamasnow sets up the hail (to the chief).
 
I dislike Abomasnow, but Snow Warning is pretty important on an Ice team, so I'd keep him.

Remember Mamoswine has Snow Cloak, coupled with BrightPowder, which can make him difficult to take out.

I would definitely include Weavile somewhere on the team-- he's an amazing sweeper.
 
Let's think for a second.

What's the most common entry hazard in Gen IV? Stealth Rock.

What is everything (except Mamoswine) on this team weak to? Rock, aka 25% damage from Stealth Rock.

What's the only Ice-type that can Rapid Spin? Delibird. Is it good? No; in fact, it takes 50% damage from Stealth Rock.

Therefore, is this team a good idea? No.

...not that it's going to stop you from making it.

Yes, Walrein over Glalie is good. I've used Walrein many times on a hail team, and the stall set works wonders. Since you have Walrein, replace Lapras (who has the same typing) with Weavile. It very well may save your ass big time. Besides Walrein, you have nothing to have a hope of taking on Heatran. Weavile can come in and Brick Break it into oblivion. However, even this might not work, because many Scarf sets are EVd to outspeed base 130s. So really, without Walrein, you're totally screwed against Heatran, which is one of, if not the most, common Pokémon in standard play. That is yet another reason why all Ice teams are a bad idea.

If you really want to make a hail team, I've had the best experience using 3 to 4 Ice-types. Then leave your last slots to have resistances to the 4 types most Ice-types are weak to: Fire, Fighting, Rock, and Steel. It's important to remember that no Pokémon resists all of these, nor is it possible for any type combination to do so. However, there are Pokémon that resist most of these. Tentacruel is going to be a great asset for its resistances to Fire, Fighting, and Steel, along with the ability to eliminate those pesky Stealth Rocks that will plague your team. Heatran is neutral to Rock, resists Steel, has an immunity to Fire, and is a great Pokémon all around. In the lower tiers, Nidoking and Nidoqueen resist Fighting and Rock while only taking neutral damage from Fire and Steel.

If you want to have it so your Ice-type members aren't walloped by all of the common Ice weaknesses, keep Froslass (immune to Fighting) and Mamoswine (neutral to Rock), and as mentioned earlier, use Walrein (neutral to Fire and Steel).

I know I'm making a big deal of Stealth Rock, and to most people it might seem ridiculous to say a team is bad just because of a Stealth Rock weakness. However, it's true. Nowadays prediction is VERY important, and with prediction comes switching. That means every time you have to switch, 25% of every Pokémon your original team's health (except Mamoswine) is gone. After awhile, that's going to add up. I've seen many cases in which the opponent isn't even attacked but he or she loses one of his or her Pokémon to Spikes or Stealth Rock. It's something every team needs to watch out for. A good rule of thumb: If half of your Pokémon are weak to Stealth Rock, either change one of the ones weak to it to something that resists it or put a Rapid Spinner on your team. Seriously, it's that bad.
 
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okay, weavile and walrein are replacing lapras and glalie.

movesets/ev's are:

ABOMASNOW
- substitute
- leech seed
- blizzard
- focus punch
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Froslass
- blizzard
- substitute
- thunderwave
- confuse ray
Item: Brightpowder
EVs: 6 Def, 252 SpA, 252 Spe

Glaceon
- Fake Tears
- Blizzard
- Wish
- Hidden power fighting
Item: leftovers
EVs: 200 HP, 252 SpA, 58 Spe

Weavile
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Ice Shard
- Brick Break
Item: Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 6 HP

Walrein @ Ice Body
- Protect
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Surf
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 220 HP, 240 Def, 48 Spe

Mamoswine
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Blizzard
- Stone Edge
Item: Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk, 20 SpA, 236 Spe
Wiil said:
Let's think for a second.

What's the most common entry hazard in Gen IV? Stealth Rock.

What is everything (except Mamoswine) on this team weak to? Rock, aka 25% damage from Stealth Rock.

What's the only Ice-type that can Rapid Spin? Delibird. Is it good? No; in fact, it takes 50% damage from Stealth Rock.

Therefore, is this team a good idea? No.

...not that it's going to stop you from making it.

Yes, Walrein over Glalie is good. I've used Walrein many times on a hail team, and the stall set works wonders. Since you have Walrein, replace Lapras (who has the same typing) with Weavile. It very well may save your ass big time. Besides Walrein, you have nothing to have a hope of taking on Heatran. Weavile can come in and Brick Break it into oblivion. However, even this might not work, because many Scarf sets are EVd to outspeed base 130s. So really, without Walrein, you're totally screwed against Heatran, which is one of, if not the most, common Pokémon in standard play. That is yet another reason why all Ice teams are a bad idea.

If you really want to make a hail team, I've had the best experience using 3 to 4 Ice-types. Then leave your last slots to have resistances to the 4 types most Ice-types are weak to: Fire, Fighting, Rock, and Steel. It's important to remember that no Pokémon resists all of these, nor is it possible for any type combination to do so. However, there are Pokémon that resist most of these. Tentacruel is going to be a great asset for its resistances to Fire, Fighting, and Steel, along with the ability to eliminate those pesky Stealth Rocks that will plague your team. Heatran is neutral to Rock, resists Steel, has an immunity to Fire, and is a great Pokémon all around. In the lower tiers, Nidoking and Nidoqueen resist Fighting and Rock while only taking neutral damage from Fire and Steel.

If you want to have it so your Ice-type members aren't walloped by all of the common Ice weaknesses, keep Froslass (immune to Fighting) and Mamoswine (neutral to Rock), and as mentioned earlier, use Walrein (neutral to Fire and Steel).

I know I'm making a big deal of Stealth Rock, and to most people it might seem ridiculous to say a team is bad just because of a Stealth Rock weakness. However, it's true. Nowadays prediction is VERY important, and with prediction comes switching. That means every time you have to switch, 25% of every Pokémon your original team's health (except Mamoswine) is gone. After awhile, that's going to add up. I've seen many cases in which the opponent isn't even attacked but he or she loses one of his or her Pokémon to Spikes or Stealth Rock. It's something every team needs to watch out for. A good rule of thumb: If half of your Pokémon are weak to Stealth Rock, either change one of the ones weak to it to something that resists it or put a Rapid Spinner on your team. Seriously, it's that bad.
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I know, but this is a risk i'm willing to take...
 
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froslass is not going to have destiny bond, because i need to keep the fighting type immunity alive...
 
but if all it does is switch in to fighting moves its you should give it destiny bond anyway (and a choice scarf)
 
*sigh* okay, destiny bond it is... I'm keeping abomasnow as my lead, though...

ABOMASNOW
- substitute
- leech seed
- blizzard
- focus punch
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Froslass
- blizzard
- Destiny Bond
- thunderwave
- confuse ray
Item: Focus Sash
EVs: 6 Def, 252 SpA, 252 Spe

Glaceon
- Fake Tears
- Blizzard
- Wish
- Hidden power fighting
Item: leftovers
EVs: 200 HP, 252 SpA, 58 Spe

Weavile
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Ice Shard
- Brick Break
Item: Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 6 HP

Walrein @ Ice Body
- Protect
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Surf
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 220 HP, 240 Def, 48 Spe

Mamoswine
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Blizzard
- Stone Edge
Item: Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk, 20 SpA, 236 Spe
 
Shinx3000 said:
would switching abomasnow with Weavile be better? Abomasnow is not a great part ice type. Plus with weavile, you'd get a dark pokemon.
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Have you even used an Abomasnow properly -_-

Though its not like it will have the proper cover with an all ice team.

ABOMASNOW
- substitute
- leech seed
- blizzard
- focus punch
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spd, 6 HP
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You don't actually need to lead with it and a Destiny Bond Frosslass may actually come in handy for a quick kill on Tyrannitar if they're that quick to attack.

Anyway, you'd want a lower speed for the most part, you'll wind up being slower than a Skarmory, but atleast its your weather condition that will prevail. Assuming max IVs, 252 HP EVs will allow for 101 HP substitutes which will help in countering flamethrower-less blissey. Otherwise, this is the same exact set I use and it works great.

In a game of prediction, I actually managed to out maneuver my opponent who had a Heatran against me expecting to switch out while I subbed to protect myself to see if it was a chocie Pokemon. it used Earth Power against me :3
 
yup. turns out froslass destiny bond was a brilliant idea. *facepalm*

anyway, what i really need for this team is appropriate counters for all my weaknesses. the ultimate counter to my team is scizor, so i definitely need to add a fire attack to something fast. all in all, the biggest weaknesses are in fire, fighting, rock, and steel. adding the above fire attack would help against steel, especially metagross. however, i don't know where to add it. my weavile knows brick break, and rock isn't used very often (tyranitar excepted, but he's really slow). in short, i need a psychic attack, an anti-infernape move, and a powerful fire move. any suggestions?
 
1337R34P3R said:
yup. turns out froslass destiny bond was a brilliant idea. *facepalm*

anyway, what i really need for this team is appropriate counters for all my weaknesses. the ultimate counter to my team is scizor, so i definitely need to add a fire attack to something fast. all in all, the biggest weaknesses are in fire, fighting, rock, and steel. adding the above fire attack would help against steel, especially metagross. however, i don't know where to add it. my weavile knows brick break, and rock isn't used very often (tyranitar excepted, but he's really slow). in short, i need a psychic attack, an anti-infernape move, and a powerful fire move. any suggestions?
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I think Hidden Power Fire is going to be your best bet for a Fire-type move, given that this is an Ice team. Paralysis via Body Slam or something should do pretty well against Infernape -- just put it on a VERY bulky pokemon, because the only think that has a prayer of outspeeding it is Weavile. Psychic is a good move that a lot of pokemon can learn, but I don't know how many of your pokemon could learn it...
 
hmmm...i think i'll replace hidden power fighting with hidden power fire on my glaceon, and my froslass already knows thunderwave, so we're set with that. the only problem is psychic. I could switch walrein for lapras, but i don't know if that would be a good tactical decision...
 
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