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If our hero(es) were to win a tournament, how should it be handled?

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You've all heard it before and plenty have said it before: Ash, May and Dawn can't win a League/GF because (insert bulls**t reason here). But here's something that's a bit different.

Suppose that Ash was planned to win a Pokemon League from the start (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, you name it)? Suppose May was meant to win the Grand Festival in Hoenn or Kanto? Suppose Dawn was meant to win the Sinnoh Grand Festival?

Now, if all those events came to pass, how should the writers of the series handle the victory? How should they plan out the storyline and the character development from start to finish, if they planned on our so-called heroes winning the tournament they were aiming for?

Think hard on this before responding. I want your honest thoughts but don't forget to keep an open mind.
 
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I personally believe that they should keep the main characters hungry, as in wanting more, to truly become champions.

Like if Dawn or May had won one, they should have tried to achieve Wallace status, Like Soledad apparently is trying to do, having still traveled to Johto.

For Ash, I don't think he'll ever quit, he'll always strive to be the best, I think there's always going to be someone greater in everything you do, so it's always best to keep striving.

Really great thread Matt :DDD
 
Honestly, I think it'd be a big deal for like a few episode...but then Ash would still say something like "There are still more Pokemon for me to meet, more challenges, blah blah blah". He's not the type of guy to just stop at 1 League win and just stay still and become an Elite 4 member, he loves to travel and make new friends, so he'd just keep on traveling.

Same thing for anybody like May or Dawn, they would just keep doing contests in other region, they're all only 10 so they have decades to go before they even feel like "slowing down" and stuff.
 
You don't stop playing football just because you won the superbowl.
 
Duckgon Z said:
Honestly, I think it'd be a big deal for like a few episode...but then Ash would still say something like "There are still more Pokemon for me to meet, more challenges, blah blah blah". He's not the type of guy to just stop at 1 League win and just stay still and become an Elite 4 member, he loves to travel and make new friends, so he'd just keep on traveling.
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Yet some people just don't seem to get this.
 
With May, Dawn, and to an extent Ash himself, it was more because it wouldn't be as believeable since they haven't been at it for that long. It's possible for a rookie to win a grand tournament, but to pull it of in a believeable way is not something I believe the anime can pull of. Part of the reason I have a gripe with the show on Zoey winning that Grand Festival. May's growth before and after each tournament was believeable, and I wouldn't be surprised if she had won the Johot Grand Festival. This type of growth also applies to Ash, atleast for the Sinnoh League as he used a team of only newbies in Hoenn.

I don't get this they shouldn't win crap. They can still win, and continue with their lives. And the show isn't about Ash winning the tournaments, it's more of him traveling and meeting the creatures. So why couldn't he just win the Sinnoh League and keep on traveling? (Even if I just want his story to end.)
 
Kameinu said:
With May, Dawn, and to an extent Ash himself, it was more because it wouldn't be as believeable since they haven't been at it for that long. It's possible for a rookie to win a grand tournament, but to pull it of in a believeable way is not something I believe the anime can pull off.
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Yes, but if the writers could hypothetically pull it off, how do you believe it should be handled?
 
To make them win their main competition after having a decent enough amount of character development. Which in Ash's case is never going to happen. I really feel like this would apply to Ash in the Johto saga, but they just killed it. Even w/ the introduction of Paul, it didn't remedy itself. May & Dawn were great on their own & should continue to push them selves to achieve their goals, but to see what they plan to do after (like maybe Dawn being a Pokemon Stylist) would be great.
 
I'd like to see a rematch between Ash and Tobias with Ash getting the chance to take his revenge.
Actually, my hero is Cynthia, but she's already won everything =P
 
matt0044 said:
Yes, but if the writers could hypothetically pull it off, how do you believe it should be handled?
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Lot's of training and research being done from the character's part. And I mean lots. Show us Ash doing his research, trying a variety of many different strategies and combinations with his different Pokemon, also have him putting this above everything else and I'll buy it.
 
Kameinu said:
Lot's of training and research being done from the character's part. And I mean lots. Show us Ash doing his research, trying a variety of many different strategies and combinations with his different Pokemon, also have him putting this above everything else and I'll buy it.
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I think Ash should've gone to Pokemon Trainer School prior to his Journey. Such establishment exists so why didn't he go there and study up? Why did Oak allow such a greenhorn to go out into the world armed with little to no knowledge?

Honestly, it should be require in the Pokemon World to study before you become a traveling Trainer.
 
Can I refer to a few things here?

Well, in the Pokemon comatose theory (a very popular creepypasta story) I think it would make sense that the reason Ash keeps losing is simple - he doesn't want his journey to end. Then there would be no more point to all of his adventures, friends, etc. If he was in an in-between state, he doesn't want to go to either side. He wants to prolong it as long as possible.

Then again, look at Gary. He's become strong and is pretty much the Champion, always defeating Ash. He ended up becoming a researcher. After you fulfill your dream, there's nothing much to do besides sit around and do nothing or think of a new one.
 
Caedis said:
Can I refer to a few things here?

Well, in the Pokemon comatose theory (a very popular creepypasta story) I think it would make sense that the reason Ash keeps losing is simple - he doesn't want his journey to end. Then there would be no more point to all of his adventures, friends, etc. If he was in an in-between state, he doesn't want to go to either side. He wants to prolong it as long as possible.
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How would winning ONE LEAGUE end his Journey? It's probably a big Pokemon World so Ash probably wants to see all sorts of Pokemon and meet other people.

ELABORATE!
 
After Ash wins a league, he could take on the Elite Four and Champion. He'd defeat the E4, and he may or may not defeat the Champion, but it would be a great fight. Afterwards, he could be sent to another region for whatever reason (foreign exchange, favor for Professor Oak, whatever) and he could get caught up in exploring the new region with a new trainer aiming for the league championship, with Ash becoming a mentor, like Brock was to him.

I'm pretty sure I've said something like this in another thread.
 
The best part of winning is the path to get there. None of them would give up just because they've reached the top -- they'd keep finding adventure.
 
That's what makes Ash's story unique. All Elites and Champions we've seen in the anime seem pretty content with the positions they have or the area they dominate, they don't show much interest in venturing out to fully explore other areas as a method of training for the Battle/Coordinating Sport. So Ash's take on things shouldn't be a handicap for him not winning a League. I've always seen Ash as bringing a possible new method towards reaching the top, unlike what seems the most standard in the various continuities. Simply get your home regions badges, win the grand league challenge and reign as the region's champion.
 
But why shouldn't the regional Elite Four members and Champions be content with the areas they've conquered? They've earned their positions, battling up the ranks and gaining a lot of experience, and probably trying many different strategies while empowering their pokemon. The Elite Four members and Champions are what I consider EXPERT pokemon trainers. They have near perfect strategies, and any trainer on a level below them will be no match for them, except for themselves, which is why Ash hasn't beaten a single one of them.

They don't have anything to prove, but some of them still travel, learning more and more.

Anyways, after Ash wins a regional league tournament, he can challenge the Elite Four, and then lose to a Champion...then he goes somwhere else continuing his journey, but OFF SCREEN...there'd be no need to show Ash beating a regional league, and beating elite four members, and going to another region.

Besides, the definition of a Pokemon Master is still rather ambiguos...If Ash were kept after accomplishing all of that, the writers are likely to still use Ash as a promotional tool. That means that he'll go to a new region, dump all of his older pokemon, and his Pikachu will get revamped again. Who wants to see Ash go through that? He should do all that, and then that's where a new pokemon trainer should take over.
 
I'm all for him reaching that level and then a new protagonist coming in. But since the show doesn't want to do that I'm pointing to the next best thing, which is basically what this thread is about.

The writers keep blocking themselves for no much reason. They already stated they don't care about stopping Ash's journey, so why should they resort to things like Tobias? They could've easily have him win the League and loose against the E4 or take home the gold. What difference would it had made for the Unova arc? None, Ash hasn't told Iris or Cilan about his past. The whole thing with Trip is retarted now, if the writers are up for this stupidity, how can't they not be up for it if Ash had won? Unova is a "clean slate", a "new start". The outcome of the DP arc would've made no difference to it, so I don't understand why Ash can't win one.

Are they really considering it for a grand finale? If they care for that, why keep taking things to such dumb extremes like Ash not aging and Pikachu's reset? If they thought things through a little more they could easily come up with explanations to let those type of things pass, but they don't. So why act like they care, why they show otherwise?
 
It's because the writers have caught themselves in an endless loop with Ash and Pikachu...They've been riding the gravy train with them ever since the franchise began, and now they don't know what to do with themselves...that's why they keep blocking...They want to use Ash and Pikachu as promo tools, so they don't let Ash progress TOO much for the target audience IMO, which is a reason why we've never seen Ash win a regional league. It would be too much trouble to have Ash win a league, but then continue on to another region on screen because he'll have to be weakened and dumbed down for the kids. If they'd done this for Sinnoh, Ash wouldn't be here, and we'd have a brand new protagonist.

But oh no. People wanna see Ash beat all kinds of Elite Four members, and Cythina's and whatnot, and still travel on. LOL, no pleasing the fandom...I predict that the grand finale of the anime will be near, or coming soon when Ash either: A) wins a regional league and then moves on to the Champion League, or B) They let Ash win a league, and then a new protagonist takes over each future region until the series finally ends completely.
 
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