If the Pokemon Anime took the Power Rangers/Super Sentai route each gen?

[matt0044]

Many are frustrated with BW resetting Ash's character and skills for no good reason and how his story goes on and on with no apparent closure for the character. As the title implies, I'm asking you how you'd like it if Pokemon took the Power Rangers (post-In Space)/Super Sentai route with the Anime. The staff would replaced the characters and reset the story each region and generation while (maybe) keeping them all in the same universe in order to keep the show fresh. Each series would start by introducing the main characters and each would end by giving the main characters closure in their development while mixing things up each time (Who knows? They might let a girl like May or Dawn be the protagonist if they feel daring?). How would you like it and how do you think this could work?

Many Japanese Franchise like Digimon or Gundam (yes, it's for kids since the models are for kids and nerds) have been doing this with their Anime series for YEARS and many have been successful. Ask me honestly why the Pokemon Anime apparently can't do the same if the staff happened to give a damn about their story? This is Japan, not America.

Not to mention that the idea of using Ash as a continuous protagonist ever though their audience wouldn't remember him from before if they ever got into Pokemon during later generation like Hoenn and beyond is pretty stupid and begs the question, "Why?" They can't be keeping him around to keep the older fans appeased since they never listen to the US fans especially before and in the early days of the internet and the new fans wouldn't recognize him as the game character they play or anything about him from before.

Anyways, discuss your thoughts and ideas here. Please try to have an open mind here and don't denounce anything as "impossible." Have a little imagination.

 

[Pyrossword]

No way. It would ruin it. Atleast for me. Ash is core of Pokemon.

 

[Jukain]

This has been suggested many times over, and for several different reasons. I'm neither for or against the idea, as I know why they insist on keeping Ash, but B/W's treatment of him is rather infuriating and makes me want to give up on him going anywhere. Yeah, I know there was little reason to believe he would get anywhere anyway, but he did legitimately get better with each region, and the end of DP showed he has what it takes to reach the top. To disregard continuity in this fashion is unforgivable to me, so if they truly do insist upon doing this, then it would be better to can Ash entirely. (Yes, regardless of what it means for Pikachu)

 

[matt0044]

This has been suggested many times over, and for several different reasons. I'm neither for or against the idea, as I know why they insist on keeping Ash, but B/W's treatment of him is rather infuriating and makes me want to give up on him going anywhere. Yeah, I know there was little reason to believe he would get anywhere anyway, but he did legitimately get better with each region, and the end of DP showed he has what it takes to reach the top. To disregard continuity in this fashion is unforgivable to me, so if they truly do insist upon doing this, then it would be better to can Ash entirely. (Yes, regardless of what it means for Pikachu)

I had the idea of Ash growing into his DP self only more interesting during Kanto in mind. As for Pikachu, I think it'd be better if they made him just one of Ash's Pokemon and not the mascot, especially how bland he is now.

 

[Keldeo94]

I think it was fine up until Sinnoh. But with the big BW reshuffle, it being on a different continent, new characters, no old Pokemon etc, I think Ash should have finished his journey in Sinnoh, he seemed so mature and powerful in Sinnoh plus had some really powerful Pokes. I think he should have beaten Tobias and won the whole thing, finally giving his character closure.

Then start BW, with the kid from Black and White. Give him a new name, Hilbert is a terrible name, maybe something like Ashton even. The new mascot could have been Oshawott, but some claim that Pikachu is all important, in which case allow Ashton, to get a new Pikachu, and then people can still comment in the anime about how rare it is for him to have a Pikachu as they cant be found in Unova

 

[Jukain]

If it was done for Johto, then less people would've been alienated, so it wouldn't matter. It also would've become more interesting for Gold/Ethan/Jimmy/etc. to eventually face Ash, having become like Red in the games, and being a powerful force to be reckoned with. Each of the sagas already have sort of their own identity, so having different protagonists wouldn't change that too much, especially since as things are, Ash is honestly the least interesting character in the show. (Yes, even less than Brock, and that's only because he was a running gag) They would be more hard pressed to make each protagonist unique, though, but neither Digimon or Power Rangers ever had that much variance in how their protagonists played out. It was still pretty much much the same thing, only with different people. I will admit they had at least very subtle differences. It could make the show better, especially since things get resolved within every saga.

 

[MarshiyanMisutaa]

I personally prefer OLM's current route.

 

[matt0044]

If it was done for Johto, then less people would've been alienated, so it wouldn't matter. It also would've become more interesting for Gold/Ethan/Jimmy/etc. to eventually face Ash, having become like Red in the games, and being a powerful force to be reckoned with. Each of the sagas already have sort of their own identity, so having different protagonists wouldn't change that too much, especially since as things are, Ash is honestly the least interesting character in the show. (Yes, even less than Brock, and that's only because he was a running gag) They would be more hard pressed to make each protagonist unique, though, but neither Digimon or Power Rangers ever had that much variance in how their protagonists played out. It was still pretty much much the same thing, only with different people. I will admit they had at least very subtle differences. It could make the show better, especially since things get resolved within every saga.

Well, Kusaka has always made each Pokemon Special protagonist differ from one another. Couldn't the Anime do or at least attempt that if the staff thought "Hmmmm, let's not make Jimmy/Ethan a rehash of Ash. He should have a more different personality." Or hell, they could make him somewhat like Ash BUT develop him in a different way. I dunno how but still...

And Ash developing greatly throughout Kanto wasn't impossible (if the writing was good). I've seen shorter Anime with better character development. Not to mention that if his story ended in Kanto. Odds are that there's be no Orange Islands saga. Even more so if the Electric Soldier Porygon fiasco never happened.

But what do I know? I'm just a fan speculating what could've been as oppose to what could be.

 

[Pyrossword]

This is all true. He was really good at the Sinnoh League. Even tho in Infernape vs. Electavire match he got a little bit carried away and kept using same attack.

 

[Iteru]

Just to make something clear as I see a few posts already on this route, the thread specifically says "If" the Pokémon Anime had taken this route, not "Would you like it if it did". The former is perfectly acceptable in this thread and the only reason why it is open; the latter belongs here: Do you think Satoshi should be replaced?.

Therefore to everyone posting here, please assume that the event has happened and not if you want it to happen or not. If there reaches a point where it is simply impossible to do so (I don't currently think there is, and I think you guys can stick to assuming the event has happened) then I'll close this thread and revamp the current PL thread.

 

[matt0044]

It should be noted that if Ash's story was wrapped up in Kanto and Johto started anew, little would really think that Ash is "the core" of Pokemon since at the time they'd think the show was over. The first series would be over before Generation 2 was announced (if not for Porygon) and Jimmy/Ethan would be used as the new protagonist for the next series. Think about that.

 

[Piplup]

I personally prefer OLM's current route.

+1
Only that I'd stick with the idea of a female star equal to Ash like Dawn was, rather than making the girls sidekicks again like happened in BW
Anyway, by now, it's obvious it won't happen... Johto, AG, DP and especially BW were possible times to do it, yet they didn't...
If to discuess "what if they did" - then I think it'd be bad, because every character would get their story wrapped up too soon without a real conclusion (similary to what happened to May and Dawn) and won't have a chance to develope as much as Ash did from the very first ep to DP's last ep, and Ash himself won't have all this development he got now (and while some say he degressed in BW, I don't completely agree with it, he's just using new beginning Poké, excited of the Unova Region that is VERY different than any region he visited so far, and the friends he got this time brings other sides out of him than his AG/DP ones)
I do admit that if it happened this way from the beginning and we'd be used to it, then I wouldn't bring up all that and maybe they could find their ways to properly deal with character development and story's conclusion... and we'd probably now have a "what if they didn't replace the main characters every generation" thread...

 

[Cybersai]

The current direction was only good during AG and DP when we all felt like Ash was getting better and the show was getting more focused on battling and development.

But since BW regressed everything, now I don't care. I'd much prefer an all-new cast than to suffer through a repeat of this in the 6th gen.

So yes I'd love it that this happen at BW's start.

 

[matt0044]

So yes I'd love it that this happen at BW's start.

Though Ash would have to win the Sinnoh League (with enough episodes too) so as not to leave a bad taste in the viewers' mouth.

Also, new viewers for BW can probably tell that Ash isn't starting considering there's no origin for him at the start of the new series, Team Rocket apparently met him before and the fact that they probably know that the series overall isn't new and they probably heard about the Anime's longevity. Is it not possible that they might go see previous seasons?

Also, if they think the new viewers will never know about past series, then why is Team Rocket still around? They aren't in the games after Gen 2 (save for remakes).

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

I'd rather see a new protanginist every ten years than every gen. Having them win on there first try is unrealistic and to stop focusing on them when they just started there journey leaves a feeling of in completeness. Overall I hate this idea. It was brilliant to have Ash lose and then continue it is realistic. Ten years is a lot of time which can be used to tell really complete stories. As much as people like the manga it is not the same and shouldn't be the same. Inclusion of levels anyone. Just because one has a lot going for it doesn't mean the formats perfect. And for the record I finished the first arch but could get a quarter way through the second. I think that a longrunner can work. It just needs to use that to it's advantage.

 

[Piplup]

Also, if they think the new viewers will never know about past series, then why is Team Rocket still around? They aren't in the games after Gen 2 (save for remakes).

It's not that they think "new viewers will never know about past series" - that's ridiculous... especially nowdays with the internet and everything...
They'll probably know about past seasons - will they care much? most of them won't and just focus on the new eps they're watching right now and that are currently advertised to them
The real crazy fans will be able to use the internet to either just learn about the show's past or even watch some of it (or all of it, though that's a mission that's a little hard to complete and gets harder as time goes on)

 

[matt0044]

I'd rather see a new protanginist every ten years than every gen. Having them win on there first try is unrealistic and to stop focusing on them when they just started there journey leaves a feeling of in completeness. Overall I hate this idea. It was brilliant to have Ash lose and then continue it is realistic. Ten years is a lot of time which can be used to tell really complete stories. As much as people like the manga it is not the same and shouldn't be the same. Inclusion of levels anyone. Just because one has a lot going for it doesn't mean the formats perfect. And for the record I finished the first arch but could get a quarter way through the second. I think that a longrunner can work. It just needs to use that to it's advantage.

Your idea isn't bad but the problem that Ash is and was barely an interesting character to be invested in (at least to me) drags it down.

Also, a Trainer could've won his/her first league depending on the storytelling and their character development. Like they go through many hardships with their friends and Pokemon, become wiser and stronger with every adventure and battle and more which all culminates in them winning the League. And I know that there's always the possibility of a better Trainer but just remember that whatever the writers says goes. In other words, the main character just happened to be the strongest Trainer there but it's not like it couldn't happen in real life. It's just up to the writers to make sure that the protagonist's experience over the past episodes come into play in the league. Ash could've been developed in about 100 or more episode to prepare him to become Kanto's Champ. There've been epic adventure series (Anime or not) that've done so in less and very well.

 

[Hurricane Kishore]

Many are frustrated with BW resetting Ash's character and skills for no good reason and how his story goes on and on with no apparent closure for the character. As the title implies, I'm asking you how you'd like it if Pokemon took the Power Rangers (post-In Space)/Super Sentai route with the Anime. The staff would replaced the characters and reset the story each region and generation while (maybe) keeping them all in the same universe in order to keep the show fresh. Each series would start by introducing the main characters and each would end by giving the main characters closure in their development while mixing things up each time (Who knows? They might let a girl like May or Dawn be the protagonist if they feel daring?). How would you like it and how do you think this could work?

Many Japanese Franchise like Digimon or Gundam (yes, it's for kids since the models are for kids and nerds) have been doing this with their Anime series for YEARS and many have been successful. Ask me honestly why the Pokemon Anime apparently can't do the same if the staff happened to give a damn about their story? This is Japan, not America.

Not to mention that the idea of using Ash as a continuous protagonist ever though their audience wouldn't remember him from before if they ever got into Pokemon during later generation like Hoenn and beyond is pretty stupid and begs the question, "Why?" They can't be keeping him around to keep the older fans appeased since they never listen to the US fans especially before and in the early days of the internet and the new fans wouldn't recognize him as the game character they play or anything about him from before.

Anyways, discuss your thoughts and ideas here. Please try to have an open mind here and don't denounce anything as "impossible." Have a little imagination.

If this happen then Ash will be a poemon Master & Legend among other Protagonist by now.
He even might appear to help & advised other Protagonist.
By the way, The appropriate title for this thread should be -''If The Anime Protagonist were changed in the beginning of every gen''

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

@matt0044 I think that Satoshi should be replaced to but that's a different thread. And I think that every gen having a different character is the wrong way to go. The only way I see this working if the start out at the end of their journey which could piss some people off. One gen isn't enough time to justify a win. It's not the amount of episodes that matter it how much time passes in story. Still a bad idea.

 

[matt0044]

@matt0044 I think that Satoshi should be replaced to but that's a different thread. And I think that every gen having a different character is the wrong way to go. The only way I see this working if the start out at the end of their journey which could piss some people off. One gen isn't enough time to justify a win. It's not the amount of episodes that matter it how much time passes in story. Still a bad idea.

I still don't get how this can't be executed well in Pokemon. The protagonist could be a protege (from 11 to 13) who studied to become a Trainer and traveled his/her homeland to hone his/her skills for the league. He/she could go on epic adventures that make him/her stronger and wiser in 100 or so episodes before the league and with the evil team lurking about, he/she would really get his/her Pokemon pumped up. And I don't mean the typical Pokemon episode, I mean adventures where they put their life on the line and pull through, where they learn lessons and change, where they become stronger in battle. Sorta like the movies only they actually amount to something in the end. It can be believable if you put your mind to it and you don't need over 600 plot-less episodes to show character development.

In other words, it could work if the series had a substantial plot that went somewhere.