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You know, I just realized why they might have emphasized the whole "From a region far away from any current ones"

They'll use that as excuse for the lack of backwards compatibility early on in the game. That's not to say that we won't have Wifi as a major plot hole to that, but they can easily hand-wave that by saying that the NWC is under maintenance and currently only works within their region. Technically, you can trade around the world in real life, but in the gameverse, you can't and its really only restricted between Black and White.

In terms of connecting with previous games, a direct transfer akin to Pal Park seems the easiest and least complicated way, but I can still see them say "screw it" to Pal Park and just trade directly.

Perhaps they may even let Pokemon get transferred back from Gen V providing that they do not have any Gen V items or moves.
 
I'd think it'd be best if there's both one-way (pal-park) and two-way (trading) between DPPtHGSS and BW.
 
I was under the impression they would use the time capsule again.
 
I don't see how that will haul BC. You use Pal Park the same way you trade. You don't have to be in contact with the person. You can be millions of miles away.
 
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"From a region far away from any current ones"

Where does it say that?
 
I think they'll just use pal park again. The time capsule was just way too annoying.
 
Somari said:
I don't see how that will haul BC. You use Pal Park the same way you trade. You don't have to be in contact with the person. You can be millions of miles away.
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Once again, I think you've missed the point. I was stating that the comments about the region being far away from the others is what they will use as a hand wave as to why you can't trade with the past games.
 
Ryuutakesh! said:
but how would that work with Gen 4?
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You connect two ds's to each other, jsut like you would with a normal trade, yes? Probably just via the trade center. Then just like with the gen IV palpark you pick pokémons from the pc to take, and tadaaaa.

I see no problems.
 
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Once again, I think you've missed the point. I was stating that the comments about the region being far away from the others is what they will use as a hand wave as to why you can't trade with the past games.
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I still don't get how that will mean anything. It's not like they don't have wifi in this region.

The only reason I can think that they can handwave with is if these games are in the future from DPP. Even then, we have Pal Park. Or they revamp, similar to GSC - RS.
 
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Unless the do a huge revamp of the way natures, leveling, etc work, and I mean huge (the data structures themselves, IV numbers etc), then I don't believe that there will be any issues with one-way trading. In fact, any data that needs to be changed can probably be easily converted (still assuming that the revamping is fairly minor and straight forward, not an entire system overhaul).

I highly doubt that there will be 2-way trading to 4th gen, as there won't be any data for the new pokemon on the cartridges, and it would be a lot of work to make any new data for existing pokemon backwards compatible with the older games (assuming they do a revamp, which they better be).
 
Yeah, but do you really think that they'd have the alt-color Beasts/Zoroark event with one-way trading, and have people have to choose between keeping their special shiny in HGSS and transferring it irreversibly to get Zoroark? Such decisions had to be made between Gens. III and IV, but there was never a special event involved.

Plus, we can already be pretty sure that abilities and stats work the same way in Gen. V as they have before, thanks to the starters retaining the traditional starter abilities and the new move Claw Sharpen being known to raise Attack and Accuracy. The battle system seems to be essentially the same as before as well. The good reasons to not have backwards compatibility are disappearing.
 
I don't see how one-way trading à la Pal Park would work from IV to V. It works for III to IV because while playing a DS game, the DS-slot has access to the GBA slot... and GF programmed in the feature that allows the Gen IV game to recognize and directly interface with the savefile on the GBA cartridge. There's no one-way trading explicity built-in to any of the GBA games, but they got around it by just having the new game go in and "manually" rewrite the GBA game's save while the cartridge was inactive.

How exactly would this be done from IV to V, without some kind of dual-slot-1 device? The Gen IV games, to my knowledge, have no mechanism built-in through which they can perform a one-way trade using any of the communication plazas/etc. Nor do they have any built-in mechanism by which they're able to establish a generic connection to another game, allowing the other game to simply rip out data wholesale and alter its save in the process.

The way I see trading working between IV and V is the same way it did between RBY and GSC. Considering that trading between Hg/Ss and D/P/Pt wasn't even restricted in the same way it initially was with Fr/Lg to R/S/E, I'm not sure if there'll even be a side-quest to complete in order to "upgrade" the trading capabilities of the Gen V equipment and Wi-Fi features. Trading between IV and V may be enabled from the start, given that GF seems to be getting more into completely unrestricted and unlimited intercompatibility these days.
 
I thought that the whole reason why they were trying to remove backwards compatibility was because they were attempting to remove the reliance of previous games from the equation? Overall, I think that is a good reason to remove it, seeing as most games should offer the maximum amount of game-play without requiring you to pull in from previous, no-longer-sold-brand-new games and such. Still, I don't think they will completely eliminate backwards compatibility, due to the fact that there will always be last minute legendary Pokemon will always be thrown in (usually to sponsor a movie or something) and are often required to incur some sort of event in the new coming generation.

Anyway, I think they will probably offer two-way trading for DPPtHGSS and BW, due to there not being a system change. I think, however, they will remove the reliance of FRLGRSE for certain Pokemon, requiring you to transfer them over to DPPtHGSS before you can get them in BW.
 
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there will always be last minute legendary Pokemon will always be thrown in (usually to sponsor a movie or something) and are often required to incur some sort of event in the new coming generation.
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Always? Are often required? To my knowledge, the upcoming shiny legendary beasts are the only event giveaways (move-related or otherwise) to unlock some event in a future generation. Event Pokemon unlocking in-game events was only implemented in this latest Generation, to boot. There's no "always" or "often" about it. Will such things (or similar) be done from now on? Maybe so; but that wasn't what you said.

Personally, I think they're starting to make too many event-only Pokemon. Back in the older generations with 1 or 2 at the most, it was fine. In Gen IV, though, we've got Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus... not to mention all the past generation ones (if you aren't lucky enough to have gotten them on a GBA game to pal park, you're dependent on Gen IV events) like Mew, Celebi, Jirachi and Deoxys. And with Hg/Ss, they tacked on the spiky-eared Pichu just for the hell of it.

And the very first Pokemon they unveil for the Gen V games is an event-only? Considering not every region even gets the events necessary to unlock these characters, I think GF is focusing way too much on event-only Pokemon; and it's getting worse over time.
 
They will use the Pokewalker as a medium for trading!!....[pretend I am Borat] NOT.

This is a good excuse for not being able to trade early, but after a point, the league f.ex., there will be "time capsule" trading I think. To me that's the most reasonable.
 
Lotad said:
I thought that the whole reason why they were trying to remove backwards compatibility was because they were attempting to remove the reliance of previous games from the equation? Overall, I think that is a good reason to remove it, seeing as most games should offer the maximum amount of game-play without requiring you to pull in from previous, no-longer-sold-brand-new games and such. Still, I don't think they will completely eliminate backwards compatibility, due to the fact that there will always be last minute legendary Pokemon will always be thrown in (usually to sponsor a movie or something) and are often required to incur some sort of event in the new coming generation.

Anyway, I think they will probably offer two-way trading for DPPtHGSS and BW, due to there not being a system change. I think, however, they will remove the reliance of FRLGRSE for certain Pokemon, requiring you to transfer them over to DPPtHGSS before you can get them in BW.
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They've already completely made Gen. III unnecessary for a complete Dex, though. And they're not going to remove Gen. IV from the equation right at the start - like with Gen. III, they'll probably phase it out over time, if they even decide to do so at all - because they're on the same system, they theoretically could keep Gen. IV necessary for a complete Dex and it still wouldn't be a hassle.
 
When I first heard about BW I figured that a divide between it and Gen3/4 was obvious, but now that I think about the technicalities it seems pretty unlikely. To transfer a pokemon from Gen 3 to 4 you need only one DS. To transfer a pokemon between DPPHGSS and BW you'd need at least two DSes. if the 3DS has seperate 3DS and DS cartridge slots we might see a Pal Park in the first 3DS pokemon, but no sooner.

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Always? Are often required? To my knowledge, the upcoming shiny legendary beasts are the only event giveaways (move-related or otherwise) to unlock some event in a future generation.
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Well there's the gamestop jirachi that unlocks a pokewalker course in HGSS. It was only possible to get that on DPP, although that was a wait of a few weeks instead of half a year.
 
tacotaskforce said:
Well there's the gamestop jirachi that unlocks a pokewalker course in HGSS. It was only possible to get that on DPP, although that was a wait of a few weeks instead of half a year.
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"Future generation", not "future game in the same generation". Hg/Ss are still Gen IV.
 
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