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In-depth Notched-ear Pichu discussion

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Note: Parts of this post require special attention to terms involving the data structure of the games, but they should mostly be self-explanatory. For the sake of convenience, I will refer to Notched-ear Pichu as "NEP" and to the Pikachu-colored Pichu as "PCP" throughout this thread.

It seems to me from browsing different forums that most western fans look down on NEP and have little interest in seeing how it will be incorporated into the games. When it was unveiled half a year ago, it was passed off by most as representing either a new gender difference or an anime-exclusive design. Surprisingly, not many considered it in terms of foreshadowing potential Gold and Silver remakes; when the game titles were announced over a month ago, rumors circulated that NEP would turn out to be representative of a new breeding feature fusing compatible Pokémon together. A few days later, it became clear that its presence in the game would have to do with the event-exclusive PCP, essentially debunking the rumor. Still, some fans continued to question whether or not it would be actually be obtainable via this method (if at all), but that uncertainty has now been removed.

Being associated with an in-game event leaves almost no doubt that that is the only way NEP will be available in the remakes. The event could be repeated on subsequent occasions (such as by distributing an Odd Egg carrying the PCP), but it would still be the same method of acquiring NEP. In other words, NEP will be an event-exclusive critter at least as far the remakes are concerned (I believe that the Rotom forms will no longer require the Secret Key in post-Platinum games). This rules out the possibility of a new breeding feature related to NEP.

There is little in the way of actual data on NEP that has been revealed so far. One of the most important details that can be derived at this point is the fact that NEP's special ear is inherent, which is to say that it can't revert to a normal one. Unlike with Deoxys, Giratina, Shaymin and Rotom, which all have fairly elaborate abilities to switch their forms, it would not make sense if NEP had its sprite changed when traded to DPPt versions. Even in Generation I, Yellow's Pikachu had a discernible reason to suddenly return to its ball when traded to other games (not feeling attached to its new trainer), as did shiny Generation I critters have an excuse not to look special (the games used a monochrome palette outside SNES gameplay and non-Japanese Yellow versions).

Supposing that NEP only had a unique sprite and that Game Freak didn't care about the lack of plausibility behind its losing that factor upon being traded, there would still be a more substantial issue with which to contend. NEP would, of course, be meant go back to being unique when returned to HGSS versions; to do this, there would have to be a mechanism automatically generating the alternate form byte from another byte in the data structure. In order to keep NEP exclusive to the event, that byte would most likely be the one for its caught location (Ilex Forest), which should be exclusive to it. However, DPPt can only interpret a byte for a HGSS location as simply "Johto", which is to say that even if the traded NEP retained its special byte, to a DPPt player it would look like any regular Pichu obtained from HGSS. Granted, NEP might also have a Fateful Encounter flag to indicate its uniqueness, but how many players would be aware of that? Many fans still don't know that the trigger for the Gracidea Flower is Shaymin's Fateful Encounter flag, so how would this be different?

Besides, casual players at young ages form the target demographic, and those players would by and large be oblivious of why the flag is important. This would create a situation where a Johto Pichu could be traded to a greedy DPPt player, who would then pass it off as NEP to unsuspecting DPPt players, resulting in unfair trades. This problem would be especially prevalent in the period of time between the remakes' Japanese and American release dates, since quite a few American DPPt players would want to get NEP in advance even if it didn't look special at first. But if they were to get fooled into giving something precious for a normal Pichu, it would be too late by the time they realized their mistake (possibly months after the trade).

Trading NEP to DPPt games would defeat the purpose of making it exclusive to the in-game event and having its ear be an inherent feature. Deoxys, Giratina, Shaymin and Rotom are supposed to switch forms, and it is understood by virtually every player that even if they appear in their original forms before the trade, they can be made to revert afterwards. NEP would be a different case - with its real identity not being clear until after the trade has been completed - and that drawback would be far more significant than the slight inconvenience caused to non-Japanese players if they couldn't get NEP prior to buying their HGSS games (particularly since they could still make do with a PCP in the meantime, which will achieve the same result).

I would also like to point out that NEP's Sugimori artwork has yet to be revealed, which implies that it may also have hidden attributes that have been kept a secret. In particular, it has not been hinted in any way that it can evolve; on the contrary, the PCP is being distributed with an Everstone and a moveset that makes it a viable battler without evolving (owing to the Endure+Quick Attack strategy). Now, NEP is undoubtedly more special than its shiny counterpart, and thus is likely to have an even greater incentive to stay unevolved - by way of possessing increased base stats. This would require assigning NEP a separate index number, as is the case with Deoxys, Wormadam, Rotom, Giratina and Shaymin (whereas Unown, Spinda, Burmy, Shellos and Gastrodon only have a special byte influencing a sprite difference). If that were the case, it would be possible for NEP to be unable to evolve. It is notable that the lack of evolutions would ensure that NEP not be able to breed and produce offsprings of the same kind, thus maintaining its event-exclusive status (although a Manaphy/Phione-like scenario could be pulled off if NEP were able to evolve). All of this would make it even more mandatory to restrict NEP to the remakes, since it would otherwise still manage to evolve and lose its uniqueness forever.

Finally, it would be rather easy to come up with an explanation for the inability to trade NEP to Sinnoh. Since I highly doubt that it is a coincidence that the movie NEP is a character from the ancient past and the game counterpart is associated with the Ilex Forest shrine (which, in turn, is associated with Celebi), we can expect that NEP will be established as having come from the past. Should that be the case, the games might very well refer to the shrine as NEP's power source, without which its existence in present time could not be sustained. In other words, trading NEP to a faraway region would be viewed as being akin to sending it back to the past, thereby rationalizing why the game wouldn't allow it to happen.

In conclusion, I am greatly inclined to believe that NEP will make an exception to the so-called rule of maintaining full compatibility between games of the same generation. That step has already been taken with held items as Platinum demonstrated with the Griseous Orb. Considering that it has been three years since Generation IV started, I see nothing wrong with keeping new Pokémon exclusive to the newest games without forcing their way into the older ones.
 
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I like to read your posts ^_^
Well, most of this post was about why NEP shouldn't be able to be traded, but what I like is more your theory for the reason in-game for why you can't trade it... make the shrine its source of power does seem an interesting idea
And people didn't like NEP? these are probably just that kind of people who gets in love with everything big and "cool"... I do like the cool Poké but the cute ones like NEP are great too! maybe people will like it more after the movie... the anime tends to change people's opinion about characters - usually we love them more after they appear in the anime (or is it just me?)
 
Um, you are so barking up the wrong tree.
Who says you can catch Notch Eared Pichu?

I believe that, due to not wanting to mention the GS Ball after being forced to dump it in the anime, and that nintendo guy openly saying they want fans to forget about it, they decided that instead of a Golden Ball to start the Celebi event at the shrine, they would use a Golden Pichu.

Your point about NEP being from the past is a good point, I beleive simply, that you take Golden Pichu to the the shrine where NEP appears, from the past, after brief interaction between the 2 pichu's celebi follows swiftly behind if having just time travelled with it. You then battle Celebi, and catch/kill/run whatever. NEP then disapears into the bushes, or goes back into the past, and your Golden Pichu is now not worth much other than to trade to another game, and get the Celebi event there.

Also, slight point, it's NOT the fateful encounter flag that sets of the Gracidea with Shaymin, its the Cherish Ball.
 
Who says you can catch Notch Eared Pichu?

It'd be really ridiculous if you can't

I believe that, due to not wanting to mention the GS Ball after being forced to dump it in the anime, and that nintendo guy openly saying they want fans to forget about it, they decided that instead of a Golden Ball to start the Celebi event at the shrine, they would use a Golden Pichu.

The scans didn't say anything about Celebi being involved in the event PCP activates
Also, I wouldn't take too seriously that unofficial (made by a fan to a fan site) interview with ONE out of a LOT of people who work on the anime
 
Max King, you are barking up the wrong tree. It has been established that NEP joins your party. therefore, it is caught. Maybe there isn't a battle, but it is caught.
 
Who says you can catch Notch Eared Pichu?
The official web site and CoroCoro do. It has been revealed that Notched-ear Pichu will join the player's team after the in-game event is completed.

I beleive simply, that you take Golden Pichu to the the shrine where NEP appears, from the past, after brief interaction between the 2 pichu's celebi follows swiftly behind if having just time travelled with it. You then battle Celebi, and catch/kill/run whatever. NEP then disapears into the bushes, or goes back into the past, and your Golden Pichu is now not worth much other than to trade to another game, and get the Celebi event there.
That definitely won't happen. Not only do we already know the general lines of the event, but the Pokémon Company wouldn't make it possible to get multiple Celebi so easily.

Also, slight point, it's NOT the fateful encounter flag that sets of the Gracidea with Shaymin, its the Cherish Ball.
No. Platinum's in-game Shaymin also has a Fateful Encounter flag and can trigger the Gracidea Flower event, and it obviously can't be caught in a Cherish Ball.
 
What UL said about trading, I still assume it can be traded to D/P/Pt and it would just have a normal pichu sprite, don't see why they would stop trading. I mean you can trade your shiny PCP to these remakes to get the NEP in the first place, so I don't see why you could not trade the NEP to your Platinum game, just lose the notched ear. I know it wuld defeat the purpose of the notched ear or whatever, but still they would not stop it ebing traded.

You could not trade rotoms formes to D/P because no data for them in those games, but that did not stop you trading the rotom itself to D/P, losing the formes only which is probably more signifigant tna losing a notched ear.

I do understand what your saying and I like reading your posts, but they have not banned a pokemon from being traded to another main game of the same generation before, I doubt it would happen now. Remember, you said these games would need a new pokemon to advertise them in maybe movie 13, but, like I knew it would not, it did not happen.

Now what I would like to know is what it would look as a pikachu or raichu? But The way its been seen now, I doubt it will change any. I would like to see Kens artwork for the pichu, but I guess we will have to wait a while for that.

One thing I have wondered, the shiny PCP being male and the NEP being female, breeding them, would this produce a special pichu?
 
I thought it was PCP that joined your party???
And just because they haven't mentioned celebi yet doesn't mean it won't happen. Arceus was only just revealed late last year, Nintendo can go a while without telling you something.
From what I heard, it wasn't clear in CoroCoro, it said about a Pichu joining your team (i thought that meant pcp) and an event in front of the shrine. That's all I thought it was, I didn;t think it explained the event other than, take pcp pichu, and event happens which involves NEP, but that could leave room for Celebi to fit in, maybe it doesn;t join your party as such, but just follows behind you, maybe the quest is to find the injured celebi that it time traveled with, and rescue it.

And Regigigas can be traded between multiple games to unlock the 3 regis in every Platinum game, Im sure you could trade the Pichu around to unlock the event in every HeartGoldSoulSilver game.

And actually, if you look on youtube, people hack cherish balls into their bag, catch the shaymin from Flower Paradise in one, and then use the Gracidea and it works, or take it to Floaroma to initially get the Gracidea if they havent got it yet.
 
losing the formes only which is probably more signifigant tna losing a notched ear.

I think NEP will have a few more things that make it special somehow other than how its ear look, I'm pretty sure UL also tried to say this...

IRemember, you said these games would need a new pokemon to advertise them in maybe movie 13, but, like I knew it would not, it did not happen.

I guess the new forms like Rotom and now this "special" Pichu are their try to give us some kind of "new Poké" to give us -something- until next gen's release...

One thing I have wondered, the shiny PCP being male and the NEP being female, breeding them, would this produce a special pichu?

The fact PCP comes with an Everstone suggest that as UL said they don't really intend us to evolve them... so I doubt that's the case
 
I know it wuld defeat the purpose of the notched ear or whatever, but still they would not stop it ebing traded.
That is not the only thing it would do - it would create an environment where DPPt players could fool others into thinking they have NEP when they don't. Read my post again.

You could not trade rotoms formes to D/P because no data for them in those games, but that did not stop you trading the rotom itself to D/P, losing the formes only which is probably more signifigant tna losing a notched ear.
You didn't lose anything; the appliance was simply returned to the building, and you could take another Rotom to get inside it. As for Rotom itself, it is supposed to be able to switch its form, unlike NEP.

Remember, you said these games would need a new pokemon to advertise them in maybe movie 13, but, like I knew it would not, it did not happen.
Based on what? No word has come out on Movie 13, and we won't know anything definitive about the games' data before they are released. We didn't even know about Rotom's alternate forms at this point in Platinum's pre-release period.

Max King said:
And actually, if you look on youtube, people hack cherish balls into their bag, catch the shaymin from Flower Paradise in one, and then use the Gracidea and it works, or take it to Floaroma to initially get the Gracidea if they havent got it yet.
Although this isn't relevant to anything, I obviously didn't have hacking in mind. It will activate the event no matter how it is caught.
 
I thought it was PCP that joined your party???

And actually, if you look on youtube, people hack cherish balls into their bag, catch the shaymin from Flower Paradise in one, and then use the Gracidea and it works, or take it to Floaroma to initially get the Gracidea if they havent got it yet.

Despite the fact I don't have any knowledge in all that game data stuff... did you even read what UL just said? The Shaymin you say these people catch with a Cherish Ball is the same Shaymin that has the "faitful encouter" UL talked about...

And PCP is -already- in your party in order to activate the event... the one who join you when the event is activated is NEP
The official site clearly shows NEP join the player...
 
I thought it was PCP that joined your party???
And just because they haven't mentioned celebi yet doesn't mean it won't happen. Arceus was only just revealed late last year, Nintendo can go a while without telling you something.
From what I heard, it wasn't clear in CoroCoro, it said about a Pichu joining your team (i thought that meant pcp) and an event in front of the shrine. That's all I thought it was, I didn;t think it explained the event other than, take pcp pichu, and event happens which involves NEP, but that could leave room for Celebi to fit in, maybe it doesn;t join your party as such, but just follows behind you, maybe the quest is to find the injured celebi that it time traveled with, and rescue it.

And Regigigas can be traded between multiple games to unlock the 3 regis in every Platinum game, Im sure you could trade the Pichu around to unlock the event in every HeartGoldSoulSilver game.

And actually, if you look on youtube, people hack cherish balls into their bag, catch the shaymin from Flower Paradise in one, and then use the Gracidea and it works, or take it to Floaroma to initially get the Gracidea if they havent got it yet.

Ah, someone was caught not knowing what they are talking about. :)

No one shot down Celebi. All of us hope he is in.

NEP and PCP will probably be tradeable.

And that's a hack. Regardless, Shaymin still activates the flower. The item goes with Shaymin, not the ball.
 
Actually Unknown Lord, and Piplup, a Shaymin caught in a cherish ball in Flower Paradise is not the event shaymin.

And actually, a Shaymin caught in a regular ball i.e at the flower paradise does not gain the Gracidea nor does it change form.

And, does it actually show NEP in the party of 6? Or just following the player?
 
To follow the player, he would have to be at the front of the player's party. Do you need me to send you the translations?

And about Shaymin, do you have anything to back these statements up? cause you have a lot of people saying you're wrong.
 
That is not the only thing it would do - it would create an environment where DPPt players could fool others into thinking they have NEP when they don't. Read my post again.

I did read your posts and if the NEP somehow can't be traded on GTS and it was traded to D/P/Pt it could still be traded back without problem

You didn't lose anything. The appliance was simply returned to the building, and you could take another Rotom to get inside it.

I never said you did lose anything in Platinum, I meant you lost the appliance and its stats and move when it was traded to D/P

Based on what? No word has come out on Movie 13, and we won't know anything definitive about the games' data before they are released. We didn't even know about Rotom's alternate forms at this point in Platinum's pre-release period.

Well I assume if there was a new pokemon in these games, they might have used it instead of NEP. And remember same generation games don't introduce new pokemon, new formes yes, brand new pokemon no. Lets not get into the whole deoxys thing again, whatever happened all pokemon from FR/LG, including deoxys was able to be traded to your R/S games. Besides they want to mantain trading between the different main games of the generation, its always been that way, except when gen II traded to Gen I, Gen I pokemon in GSC could be traded to Gen I games, but because this was a new gen, all new pokemon could not be traded, this is not a new gen so I assume all pokemon can be traded over to D/P/Pt games, even if it does mean losing special sprites or formes etc...

And, does it actually show NEP in the party of 6? Or just following the player?

All I know its just following the player. It could just do that, like how Marley followed you in Victory Road, until you got where you were going with it, but I doubt that, just thinking of theories, maybe it can be caught and is with player (most likley) and maybe this activates the cynthia/arceus thing we have seen screens of....PCP and NEP come together, a portal opens and cynthia comes along and you get to see an egg, it becomes arceus and if you bring 3 dragons (grintia, diagla, palkia) it is able to be caught or something?
 
To follow the player, he would have to be at the front of the player's party. Do you need me to send you the translations?

Just a note, you do know NEP is a female right?
I think we better stick to "it" when talking about Poké anyway, even if we do know their gender
 
I haven;t tested them personally, although I have seen it in real life with my own eyes, not just on youtube, a friend who has an Action replay, put 999 cherish balls in his bag, and oaks letter, captured shaymin in flower paradise, took it to floaroma, and the girl didn't even mention he had a shaymin.

He then hacked the flower into his bag, and tried to use it in daylight, and it said it would have no effect.

And actually, yes we are told that the pokemon that follows you is at the top of your party, but Im sure they could have a pokemon follow you not at your top spot, not even in your party, that would not be hard to program for just a few scenes, and then revert to top of your party thing after that.

And yes Ryu, I would like to see where you are getting your data from.
 
I did read your posts and if the NEP somehow can't be traded on GTS and it was traded to D/P/Pt it could still be traded back without problem
But as long as it stayed in the DPPt game, it would look almost entirely the same as a regular Pichu caught in Johto, which would create a loophole in certain notable cases. Since NEP is an event-exclusive Pokémon, many players will want to get it even before the remakes are released outside Japan. If to quote myself:

NEP would, of course, be meant go back to being unique when returned to HGSS versions; to do this, there would have to be a mechanism automatically generating the alternate form byte from another byte in the data structure. In order to keep NEP exclusive to the event, that byte would most likely be the one for its caught location (Ilex Forest), which should be exclusive to it. However, DPPt can only interpret a byte for a HGSS location as simply "Johto", which is to say that even if the traded NEP retained its special byte, to a DPPt player it would look like any regular Pichu obtained from HGSS.
This would create a situation where a Johto Pichu could be traded to a greedy DPPt player, who would then pass it off as NEP to unsuspecting DPPt players, resulting in unfair trades. This problem would be especially prevalent in the period of time between the remakes' Japanese and American release dates, since quite a few American DPPt players would want to get NEP in advance even if it didn't look special at first. But if they were to get fooled into giving something precious for a normal Pichu, it would be too late by the time they realized their mistake (possibly months after the trade).

Shinx3000 said:
Well I assume if there was a new pokemon in these games, they might have used it instead of NEP.
NEP was revealed long before the remakes. It would have given the wrong impression about the games if it hadn't been related to Generation II. The Movie 13 Pokémon will be revealed a few months after the games have been out in Japan, so it is not bound by the same rules.

And remember same generation games don't introduce new pokemon, new formes yes, brand new pokemon no.
You can't prove anything by first assuming it. The only thing holding them back is compatibility, and if NEP is enough to break the generational barrier, it will change this particular outlook on the situation.

Besides they want to mantain trading between the different main games of the generation,
Not everything has to be tradable. If the situation warrants it, there can and should be exceptions. Making NEP tradable to DPPt games would create more problems than it would solve.
 
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Just a note, you do know NEP is a female right?
I think we better stick to "it" when talking about Poké anyway, even if we do know their gender

No, I didn't. thank you.

Action Replay says it all. If it aint official, I don't care.

Spell my name right.

It has been confirmed that the only pokemon to follow you is the one at the top of your party.

and the scan is incoming.

EDIT: Here it is

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