Indoctrination of children

[Eredar Warlock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqMTD5UFmU&feature=player_embedded#t=144

...Ok. Anyone else find this creepier than a den of spiders?

I know this is probably a bad example because it's not terribly hard to manufacture this kind of video (Although the Superintendent gave a defense of it), but there are things of this nature that are beginning to occur in classes. There is a video titled "The Story of Stuff". shown here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBE5QAYXp8

...Yeah. All I hear out of that is a lot of socialist rhetoric, and a number of misleading statements (I.E the line about military funding....It's 20%, not 50%). Why exactly are kids being taught this stuff when they should be taught how to read, write, and do math? If they want to learn about economic structures, take a friggen Econ class in high school.

With stuff like this going down, it's no wonder the U.S. is lagging behind on Education.

 

[Zeta]

When I think of indoctrination of children, I think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

 

[Big Lutz]

Funny when I think of indoctrinating Children toward Political Leaders I think of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5P_TFqUegU

Really yes the Obama sing along is a scary if not incredibly freaky, and yes I would be saying that if it was a Republican President.

 

[The Big Al]

That's pretty darn creepy. We don't know the context of it but, on its own, it just doesn't look good. Bad superintendent.

 

[Eredar Warlock]

That's pretty darn creepy. We don't know the context of it but, on its own, it just doesn't look good. Bad superintendent.

The explanation was that it was a program celebrating Black History Month. But honestly, listening to the lyrics, that explanation seems rather dubious.

 

[boop]

When I think of indoctrination of children, I think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

It isn't indoctrination of it's the truth (with a capital 'T')!

 

[Eredar Warlock]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...rtedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/

 

[Phoenicks]

What I wanna know is why the hell it took so long to find these videos. Really, stuff like this is unacceptable.

 

[Waffles]

I saw that Jesus Camp before, scary stuff.

I think this is totally normal though. While children shouldn't praise anybody before looking at the facts, it would be fine if they understood the significance of his president appointment.

But not through signing songs about him. That stuff gets people in the extremist bin.

 

[Satoshi-chan]

When I think indoctrination, I think of the assholes who teach children to hate in the name of "their lord." I don't give a shit if kids sing about Obama in their school, I give a shit about the children who grow up to murder gays.

 

[$aturn¥oshi]

When I think indoctrination, I think of the assholes who teach children to hate in the name of "their lord." I don't give a shit if kids sing about Obama in their school, I give a shit about the children who grow up to murder gays.

QFT.

 

[Phoenicks]

When I think indoctrination, I think of the assholes who teach children to hate in the name of "their lord." I don't give a shit if kids sing about Obama in their school, I give a shit about the children who grow up to murder gays.

But doesn't it depend on the person who is teaching the kids this kind of stuff?

I mean, I'm against teaching kids to be against gays as much as you are, but parents teaching their kids something like that is on a different level from teachers teaching their students something like that.

 

[boop]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...rtedly-taught-songs-praising-president-obama/

Fox News. . . well there's your problem...

So this one, isolated incident means indoctrination is the new pandemic sweeping our children into mindless supporting of the President? Yeah, like I didn't have Bush's war shoved down my throat as a fair and just movement by our brave and strong leader. . . where was Fox News then?

Stuff like this happens with every president. I live in a Conservative town, therefore many teachers I have had are Conservative, and some of them decide they want to push their beliefs upon students (like my old English teacher who had an "I think, therefore I am a Republican" shirt that she wore). . .It happens across the board, and isn't the fault of the administrations.

 

[Satoshi-chan]

I mean, I'm against teaching kids to be against gays as much as you are, but parents teaching their kids something like that is on a different level from teachers teaching their students something like that.

I'm thinking more along the lines of the church doing the teaching of the hatred, but it's about the same to me... churches teaching their follorwes, teachers teaching their students, six of one, half dozen of the other.

Now, the question remains about the "indoctrination" being discussed in the original post... are these schools with mostly minority students praising the fact that a minority is in the white house?

 

[Big Lutz]

Fox News. . . well there's your problem...

CBS is reporting it using the information taken from Fox News. Just because it is Fox does not make it any less true.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/24/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5335819.shtml

So this one, isolated incident means indoctrination is the new pandemic sweeping our children into mindless supporting of the President? Yeah, like I didn't have Bush's war shoved down my throat as a fair and just movement by our brave and strong leader. . . where was Fox News then?

Having a "War shoved down your throat" and forcing children to sing songs about their dear leader or two entirely different things. While neither should be done by teachers, having students led in song about their leader tends to bring up too many images of Nazi or North Korean children doing the same thing to their dictator President.

Stuff like this happens with every president. I live in a Conservative town, therefore many teachers I have had are Conservative, and some of them decide they want to push their beliefs upon students (like my old English teacher who had an "I think, therefore I am a Republican" shirt that she wore). . .It happens across the board, and isn't the fault of the administrations.

Wearing a shirt, while bad, is not really comparable to this, especially since they are singing about a specific policy of Obama's. I am sure if your Conservative teacher had gotten you all up, and led you in a song about the greatness of President Bush you would have seen it as not such a big thing right?

Now, the question remains about the "indoctrination" being discussed in the original post... are these schools with mostly minority students praising the fact that a minority is in the white house?

Does it really matter? Would it be better if a school of mostly white kids were praising a white President being in the White House? You know it makes it even more sick and disgusting if this wasn't just done for politics, but for politics and race reasons.

 

[boop]

Wearing a shirt, while bad, is not really comparable to this, especially since they are singing about a specific policy of Obama's. I am sure if your Conservative teacher had gotten you all up, and led you in a song about the greatness of President Bush you would have seen it as not such a big thing right? .

Well, she might as well have... I neglected to mention she attempted to sway (and successfully did) get students to switch who they were voting for in class, when she wasn't even asked for an opinion. It was done on a semi-daily bases all through the election period... same as chanting... minus it being set to a tune.

I'm not defending that video... I'm saying that just because those teachers led that chant/song/indoctrination session, whatever you may call it, it doesn't mean Obama is indoctrination our children... but I'm willing to bet that Glenn Beck spins it to the point where he claims it as proof of that elusive Obama-indoctrination he has been so relentlessly searching for.

 

[Phoenicks]

Fox News. . . well there's your problem...

So this one, isolated incident means indoctrination is the new pandemic sweeping our children into mindless supporting of the President? Yeah, like I didn't have Bush's war shoved down my throat as a fair and just movement by our brave and strong leader. . . where was Fox News then?

Stuff like this happens with every president. I live in a Conservative town, therefore many teachers I have had are Conservative, and some of them decide they want to push their beliefs upon students (like my old English teacher who had an "I think, therefore I am a Republican" shirt that she wore). . .It happens across the board, and isn't the fault of the administrations.

So you start off with the assumption that anything that Fox says is lies, misconstrue the story to imply that it's reporting that indoctrination is happening all over the country, move on to blame Bush for our problems in a context that has little to do with him, then cap it off with an anecdote that simultaneously critizes the right in a way that is not part of the discussion and turns this into a Republican vs. Democrate debate instead of a right vs. wrong one?

I'm thinking more along the lines of the church doing the teaching of the hatred, but it's about the same to me... churches teaching their follorwes, teachers teaching their students, six of one, half dozen of the other.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge against all of the church like that. I know that I just renounced anecdotes, but at my church, my pastor is infamous for a sermon he made where he flatly said that he believed that the church was wrong about homosexuality. With the likes of adults, it's not so much forcing people to believe in this stuff as it is finding people willing to believe in this stuff.

Besides, I still see a difference between who is doing the indoctrinating.

Now, the question remains about the "indoctrination" being discussed in the original post... are these schools with mostly minority students praising the fact that a minority is in the white house?

I don't see why you have to bring race into this. This issue is seperate from race.

 

[Big Lutz]

Well, she might as well have... I neglected to mention she attempted to sway (and successfully did) get students to switch who they were voting for in class, when she wasn't even asked for an opinion. It was done on a semi-daily bases all through the election period... same as chanting... minus it being set to a tune.

Which I should add that there was video of a teacher berating a student because her father supported McCain. While I don't think political discussions is proper for class rooms, I would assume it was a high school class which is pretty different than a second grader class. Not to mention holding political discussions and leading kids in songs about a President not only is very different, but as I said before harkens back to dictatorships.

Of course this also doesn't help that this video comes out just weeks after Obama's address to kids, and all the controversy stirred up by the "Write to the President to tell him what you can do to help him"

I'm not defending that video... I'm saying that just because those teachers led that chant/song/indoctrination session, whatever you may call it, it doesn't mean Obama is indoctrination our children... but I'm willing to bet that Glenn Beck spins it to the point where he claims it as proof of that elusive Obama-indoctrination he has been so relentlessly searching for.

I don't believe anyone here would suggest that Obama himself is indoctrinating the children. The teacher clearly is, but I question the sanity of anyone that could make a link to the White House, DNC, or any other political organization and this event with the information we have now.

 

[Satoshi-chan]

Does it really matter? Would it be better if a school of mostly white kids were praising a white President being in the White House? You know it makes it even more sick and disgusting if this wasn't just done for politics, but for politics and race reasons.

Actually, it would matter since we have a holiday for Martin Luther King Jr., and we also have Black History Month and I don't see people having issues with them. Nothing wrong with praising someone who finally has proven that a black dude actually CAN run for president and win. And your argument of a white president being praised by a bunch of white kids doesn't work too well when it's the norm for a white president to be elected.

I don't see why you have to bring race into this. This issue is seperate from race.

Is it? If it is, I will completely take back my argument, but is there proof that this issue is separate from race?

 

[Big Lutz]

Actually, it would matter since we have a holiday for Martin Luther King Jr., and we also have Black History Month and I don't see people having issues with them.

Having black holidays and leading the class in song in support of a political figure are two wildly different things.

Nothing wrong with praising someone who finally has proven that a black dude actually CAN run for president and win.

Actually yes there is, not only are they praising him for his race, which is wrong on many levels. But you are also having children blindly praising a political figure which as I have said multiple times in this topic, has a long history of bad things.

And your argument of a white president being praised by a bunch of white kids doesn't work too well when it's the norm for a white president to be elected.

Same excuse applies, it's race being used to lead children in song for a Political Leader, a event that is indoctrination and as many have said in this thread, is scary.