Is Ash going to have his Sinnoh team for more eps than all his previous teams?

[Cybersai]

Is anyone else starting to notice that Ash's Sinnoh team might actually be his longest lasting team in the series, surpassing the episode count of both his Kanto team and his Hoenn team?

Most people associate Ash's classic Kanto team with Ash the most, mainly because they were the originals, but also because he always brings them back for his biggest battles. Bulbasaur was there halfway through Johto, and Charizard and Squirtle were there during the beginning of it, and all made comebacks in late Johto and in AG. That and in the videogames, both Red and Pokemon Trainer from Brawl are loosely based off Ash's Kanto team.

However, it seems like Ash's Sinnoh team of Grotle, Monferno, Buizel, Staraptor, and Gliscor might actually become Ash's longest lasting team in the series. Depending on how much longer Sinnoh goes on for, and if Ash doesn't make any major changes, he'll have owned this team for the longest period of time of any of his previous teams. It always feels odd when something "new" outlasts something that was original, especially with things like Jessie's Seviper being in more episodes than her Arbok.

How do you feel that Ash's Sinnoh team will be here longer than all his previous teams? And do you think the Kanto team will be downplayed because of this, or will it still be remembered moreso than the Sinnoh one?

 

[Piplup]

When Sinnoh ends Ash is likely to make a least some little changes to his team
At least Toto might return to the team
Also, Red in GSC/HGSS = the player of RGBY - that's why he has the Kanto starters+Pika, Snorlax which you must catch/battle in the gen 1 games, Espeon which is evo of Eevee that you can just pick up in gen 1 games (or the HGSS spoiler which you get as a present in gen 1 games)
The player in SSBB have the Kanto trio for the same reason
They're not related to Ash at all other than the fact Ash is based on the gen 1 player character

 

[The Big Al]

Spoiler

Red has Ash's Orange Islands (albeit full evolved except for Pika) team in HG/SS, the team Ash had for the least amount of time.

Ash's Sinnoh team will likely be his longest lasting. However, I doubt they'll eclipse the original. Considering what happened at the end of AG, Bulba/Char/Squirt/Pika will probably come in and usurp them.

 

[Piplup]

Spoiler

Red has Ash's Orange Islands (albeit full evolved except for Pika) team in HG/SS, the team Ash had for the least amount of time.

I doubt that was intentual...

 

[Dilophosaurus Rex]

Ash's Sinnoh team feels more interesting to me. All of the Pokémon in Ash's Sinnoh team have a distinct personality, which was missing in most of Ash's Kanto team.

Let us examine Ash's Kanto team:

1) Pikachu. OK, I thought Pikachu was pretty damn boring during Kanto. The only time Pikachu ever got a LOL out of me is the Scyther/Electabuzz episode with the ketchup bottle.
2) Pidgeotto. MY GOD, Staraptor is such an improvement over Pidgeotto. Pidgeotto had NO screentime, NO battles and NO personality.
3) Bulbasaur. I thought Bulbasaur was the most interesting Pokémon on Ash's Kanto team because it actually knew some varying attacks and was in a lot of battles.
4) Charizard. From the moment it evolved, it turned into a waste of a team slot. Charizard did NOTHING. Charizard only got interesting once it started obeying Ash.
5) Squirtle. Yeah, I dunno what to say here. Squirtle was there but never really noticed.

I'm not counting Butterfree, Haunter, Primeape and all the others Ash released because they were only on his team for a very short time.

Now, let us analyze his Sinnoh team:

1) Pikachu. OK, Pikachu is still pretty boring, but at least now it knows more moves than Thunderbolt and Quick Attack.
2) Staraptor. Staraptor doesn't show much of a personality, but it sure as hell has done more than Pidgeotto and Noctowl combined. It also has quite some interesting moves, which Pidgeotto also lacked.
3) Grotle. As a Turtwig, it was pretty much a clone of Bulbasaur. But when it evolved, and the whole "battle style change" stuff showed up, it became more interesting. It showed quite some personality.
4) Monferno. OK, let's be honest here, Monferno probably has the largest backstory of all the Pokémon in the anime. Period.
5) Buizel. Buizel's the tough guy, but I don't find him that interesting at all.
6) Gliscor. Gliscor is awesome. It's big and intimidating on the outside but a crybaby on the inside. Awesome personality. Not to mention its impressive array of moves.

As a whole, I think Ash's Sinnoh team is his best team yet, followed by his Hoenn team, then his Kanto team, and dead last his Johto team. Come on, everyone has to agree that Ash's Johto team just sucked. Noctowl and Phanpy didn't do crap, no-one evolved and no-one got any moves we haven't seen before.

 

[Cybersai]

But what I'm asking is, do you think people will still associate Ash's Kanto team with Ash the most, even if the Sinnoh team lasts for more episodes overall?

There's no doubt in my mind that when Ash uses his older Pokemon again, he'll use his Kanto starters at some point, but I wonder what will be remembered as Ash's "signature team" for the franchise overall?

 

[Maxim Posthumus]

Spoiler

Red has Ash's Orange Islands (albeit full evolved except for Pika) team in HG/SS, the team Ash had for the least amount of time.

Spoiler

Those are actually gift Pokemon from Yellow. They just decided to replace Espeon (Celadon Mansion Eevee) with Lapras (from Silph Co.), in fact. Whether that was because of the anime or not, that's unknown.

 

[Piplup]

Spoiler

Those are actually gift Pokemon from Yellow. They just decided to replace Espeon (Celadon Mansion Eevee) with Lapras (from Silph Co.), in fact. Whether that was because of the anime or not, that's unknown.

Exactly, it's much more likely that they did it because of the gen 1 games, not because of the anime...

Considering what happened at the end of AG, Bulba/Char/Squirt/

AG = RSE=gen 3 + FRLG=gen 1 + 10th anniversary=gen 1
DP = DPt=gen 4 + HGSS=gen 2 + 10th anniversary of Johto=gen 2

I wonder what will be remembered as Ash's "signature team" for the franchise overall?

That's completely ridiculous like many of the other similar threads you like to create
There's no "signature team" - each saga has its own main team and that's it

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Exactly, it's much more likely that they did it because of the gen 1 games, not because of the anime...

Well, technically, Yellow was directly based off the anime, but I can see where you're getting at. Then again, the fact that he has all three starters despite the fact that he could choose only one, combined with the fact that his Pikachu was the strongest member of the team at least level-wise, combined with the fact that Blue (or Gary, whoever you wish to refer to him by) doesn't even own a Venusaur, Charizard or a Blastoise on either of his Gym Rosters implies that Yellow was the canon route.

 

[Sleet]

Probably, because they're more characterized than the rest, so they're harder to get rid of. They will probably all get returned to Professor Oak, except maybe one which might be released very late, possibly even after the league.

 

[Chaosblazer]

the hoenn pokemon ran longer than the Kanto pokemon(not counting the filler arcs of course) did and they didn't eclipse them so why would the sinnoh pokemon do it?

Quantity does not = Quality.

Now, let us analyze his Sinnoh team:

This should be fun.

1) Pikachu. OK, Pikachu is still pretty boring, but at least now it knows more moves than Thunderbolt and Quick Attack.

I don't really consider Volt Tackle and Iron Tail knowing more moves, Thunder for some reason has disappeared from Pikachu's move roster since the battle frontier, and since then it hasn't learned anything new, seriously how long do they want to shaft the poor mouse, besides that it's only beaten a few sinnoh pokemon in non TR battles, most of it's wins this region come from beating up older gen guys it's beaten before.

2) Staraptor. Staraptor doesn't show much of a personality, but it sure as hell has done more than Pidgeotto and Noctowl combined. It also has quite some interesting moves, which Pidgeotto also lacked.

Dude it any bird pokemon Ash has had since Pidgeotto and Noctowl has been more impressive so that doesn't prove anything.

3) Grotle. As a Turtwig, it was pretty much a clone of Bulbasaur. But when it evolved, and the whole "battle style change" stuff showed up, it became more interesting. It showed quite some personality.

I'll be honest, it's still nothing but dead weight walking, it has no personality at all (not that i really care for personality as that don't win fights.) the only intresting move it has is rock climb (Razor leaf we've seen before and energy ball is nothing but a green shadow ball.) it is inferior to Paul's Torterra in every way possible and I don't know why they gave it to Ash if they were gonna let Paul have Torterra to begin with it, it makes no bloody sense to me.

4) Monferno. OK, let's be honest here, Monferno probably has the largest backstory of all the Pokémon in the anime. Period.

Ok come on yes it has a giant fleshed out backstory, but overall it's not that much different from Charmander's, just saying it like it is,but my main nitpick with this one is why they waited to evolve it for so long. (i still don't know why they evolved the dead weight first and not this one since it's more important) hopefully it'll evolve again by the league or at least get a better fighting attack since Mach Punch is not that great of an attack.

5) Buizel. Buizel's the tough guy, but I don't find him that interesting at all.

I find buizel to be intresting, despite the veilstone gym battle it has shown an impressive preformance albeit it is intresting due to it's variating power structure which is actually visable. (then again Vlad's not to far off from it.) I like it's warrior esqe nature that Charizard and Sceptile showed before and hopefully it will evolve and join them in the circle of power, but if not then hopefully misty will come and relieve Ash of it since i would rather not see him with another non evolving water type at the lab.

6) Gliscor. Gliscor is awesome. It's big and intimidating on the outside but a crybaby on the inside. Awesome personality. Not to mention its impressive array of moves.

Yes quite intresting how it can somehow beat a Bastiodon with a neutral move, yet lose to a Snover despite the very same move being super effective on said Snover. It's power variates even worse than Buizel's and only Fire Fang is intresting as far as moves go, it's other attacks we've seen enough of over the course of the show.

for me the sinnoh team started out boring, picked up abit when Chimchar and Gligar came on board but then began to wane when Turtwig evolved and even though the team has won Ash seven badges, they have a roadblock going by the name of Paul standing in thier way, and I can not see them clearing it.

 

[emanuellburnell]

Everyone don't argee that the Johto team suck because they never did in the first place, they were Ash's best team in Johto and they prove to be very strong as well,so what you Dilophosaurus Rex said about the Johto team sucking is not true at all.The Sinnoh team is much closer to the Kanto team then they are to the Hoenn team which were strong but were never really that strong of a team anyways.When Turtwig evolve into Grotle it did not become more interesting it was still the same and it was still a Bulbasaur clone just in a larger size,when a pokemon evolve it does not become more interesting and it also do not get a personality because it evolve this is not really true.

 

[Thingamajig]

But what I'm asking is, do you think people will still associate Ash's Kanto team with Ash the most, even if the Sinnoh team lasts for more episodes overall?

Yes. Among the kids that were, you know, born when the original Kanto saga was on TV, the team of the Kanto Starters + Pikachu will always be Ash's most remembered. It was the first team, the original team, then a lot of kids grew up and stopped watching - and the fad was over. Many of them will remember the early team, but not even know what a 'Buizel' even is.

Obviously, it's not quite the same for the fans that have hung on, or started watching in later series. I still think for the long-term fans that the 'classic' team will remain more prominent. Although opinions will differ from person to person.

 

[Winged Psychic]

Even if Ash's Sinnoh team outlast his Kanto team, they will still be the classic original team. Like how the original Mario Bros is one of the most known and popular games in pop culture when there have been (arguably?) better games featuring Mario.

 

[Cybersai]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Its a shame the pokemon fad is long over, some of Ash's best Pokemon were captured in the show after the fad days. Even though you can tell his newer Pokemon are popular in the fanbase, they still aren't "widely popular" as his original Pokemon.

Its probably the same reason Sceptile never reached Charizard's level of popularity, despite the fact that Sceptile was basically the AG version of Charizard. Its a damn shame because you know if the regions were reversed, it would be the same thing for the opposite Pokemon.

 

[FireEmblemPride]

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but isn't the spread between this four sets of teams pretty similar? The Johto team was around for a long time, too. Hoenn for longer, but they had two regions to themselves.

 

[Cybersai]

Aside from Chikorita, the rest of the Johto team was only there for about 100 episodes. Cynda/Totodile/Noctowl were not captured until about 30 eps into Johto. You cannot forget both the beginning and end of Johto was focused on Ash's Kanto Pokemon. The 1st Johto Gym and 8th Johto Gym was mainly focused on Kanto Pokemon, as was the league.

I think the other problem is in a lot of Johto fillers we do not even see Ash's Johto Pokemon. There are many episodes where Ash only uses Pikachu and doesn't even call out his Johto pokes. On top of that, Heracross and Phanpy also got some focus in the beginning and end of Johto, which means they were focused on instead of the Johto starters and Noctowl.

When I was watching Johto for the first time, all I thought about is when Ash would bring his Kanto Pokemon back. That's why Bulbasaur lasted in Johto for so long, why Charizard appeared in Movie 3 to battle Entei, and why they were all reunited toward the end. The writers originally intended us to consider Ash's Kanto Pokemon as his "main Pokemon," and the Johto ones were just substitutes. It wasn't until Hoenn started that the writers stopped caring about this, even though they still bring the Kanto ones back.

 

[Piplup]

I don't really consider Volt Tackle and Iron Tail knowing more moves,

Thunder didn't really look much different than Thunderbolt
Volt Tackle and Iron Tail ARE an improvement over Pika knowing only Thunderbolt (or Thunder which isn't really different for me) and Quick Attack

most of it's wins this region come from beating up older gen guys it's beaten before.

So beating a Poké doesn't count if it's an old gen Poké?
And I guess Pika will star in the Sunnyshore Gym

Dude it any bird pokemon Ash has had since Pidgeotto and Noctowl has been more impressive so that doesn't prove anything.

That still doesn't change the fact Staraptor was handled much better than the first two birds
And while not everyone agree with this - I think Staraptor turned out even better than Swellow, at least to me

it's still nothing but dead weight walking,

And why exactly is it "dead weight"?

it has no personality at all

It sure has personality
Didn't you watch its capture ep? or the very beginning of the Gligar evo ep? It likes to stop Poké from fighting (or doing other "bad" things like Swinub trying to steal food)
And as a Grotle it had to go through the problem of losing its speed, understanding it has to change its style and train to fo it
It also had some funny scenes like Happiny carrying it

(not that i really care for personality as that don't win fights.)

Personality = being a living creature, being interesting, being entertaining, not being battle tools only...
And all of that > battles

the only intresting move it has is rock climb

Synthesis is also interesting
I don't remember a twerp Poké other than Corsola that could heal itself

energy ball is nothing but a green shadow ball.

.............
*brain explode*

I don't know why they gave it to Ash if they were gonna let Paul have Torterra to begin with it, it makes no bloody sense to me.

Sure it makes sense, I really liked the Torterra/Grotle interaction and the Paul/Torterra interaction in Turtwig's evo ep

overall it's not that much different from Charmander's,

Charmander was abandoned by its trainer and Ash saved (well, more of Brock) it and got it
Charmander evolved and stopped to obey and then Ash won its trust

Chimchar was abandoned by its trainer which happens to be Ash's rival and Ash offered Chim to join him and get stronger together
All of that got build up for a whole year until it actually happened
And then Chim had to get over its trauma of Zangoose
Then we got some Chim showed its true power but lost control and later evolved during a battle against its former trainer

It was similar to Charmander but it ended up much better - this is how Charmander should have been
Not to mention Paul's story and Monferno's story still continue for all this time

why they waited to evolve it for so long.

Why rush it?
Evolution isn't everything and that's one of the things this show constantly teach us

why they evolved the dead weight first

Makes sense as Turtwig was on the cast much longer so we saw it in its first form much more than we saw Chimchar

despite the veilstone gym battle

Which was really great...

Yes quite intresting how it can somehow beat a Bastiodon with a neutral move, yet lose to a Snover despite the very same move being super effective on said Snover.

It only proves how the writers play with Poké's strength as they like

It's power variates even worse than Buizel's and only Fire Fang is intresting as far as moves go, it's other attacks we've seen enough of over the course of the show.

X Scissor is a first for a twerp Pokémon


Yes, a lot of that is opinions I guess but really - just watch and enjoy
I can't understand why people watch the show if they complain about it SO MUCH
It's not like anyone forcing people to watch it if they don't want

they still aren't "widely popular" as his original Pokemon.

Random statements that makes no sense at all

never reached Charizard's level of popularity

For fans who didn't watch the original or only got to watch it late but started with AG - Sceptile might be more "popular"
And there are a lot of young kids who begin with the DP anime/games...
But Scott, why another thread to prove how the Kanto trio are god? we got it the 2352332532 time you said it, just stfu

The writers originally intended us to consider Ash's Kanto Pokemon as his "main Pokemon," and the Johto ones were just substitutes.

No
Both the games and the anime didn't know how to handle a new gen since that was their first try

Please stop being the ridiculous thing you became
During the Johto saga it was obvious the "main team" is the Johto starters - even if they were handled much worse than the future teams
And most of kids (the target audience) don't read too much into it like you
A lot of the advertising for both games and anime used the Johto starters
They WERE popular, like it or not
All teams are popular and you're just being ridiculous when you open a thread after thread only to get us to the same conclusion again and again

WE GOT IT SCOTT
WE KNOW KANTO TRIO ARE GOD
WE KNOW JOHTO IS HELL
SHUT UP

Too bad Scott, I used to see you as one of the "better" members both here and on Serebii... but now...

 

[Clod]

Why don't you just ignore him if you can't stand hearing his opinions?

I think many people associate Ash's original team with him the most because they were the originals and pokemon was more popular during their time. A lot of people are still fans of the pokemon franchise but stopped keeping up with the anime after the first season or series, so when they think of Ash they think of his originals.

His Hoenn team was popular, and I think they will remain popular to the people that grew up with AG, but the people who grew up with or followed the original series simply outnumber them.

 

[peno]

And I guess Pika will star in the Sunnyshore Gym

The only time I want Pikachu in this battle is if Volkner will use his DP roster. Then I want Pikachu to beat Octillery and then be far away of this battle. The last thing we need is yet another Pikachu vs. Electric type Pokémon battle. Yes, I will rather have Buizel or Staraptor in this battle, both with type weakness, which will be lame, but still better then another Pikachu vs. Raichu or Pikachu vs. Electivire battle. There were already enough of this crap.

Why don't you just ignore him if you can't stand hearing his opinions?

I think many people associate Ash's original team with him the most because they were the originals and pokemon was more popular during their time. A lot of people are still fans of the pokemon franchise but stopped keeping up with the anime after the first season or series, so when they think of Ash they think of his originals.

His Hoenn team was popular, and I think they will remain popular to the people that grew up with AG, but the people who grew up with or followed the original series simply outnumber them.

I know there's many fans of original series who think nothing in later sagas ever beat Kanto, but there surely are people who started to watch Pokémon in its original hype through Kanto but still consider later sagas better. I am such example. I will never consider Ash's overpowered Kanto team his best. Ash's Hoenn team was IMO much better and his Sinnoh team is better than his Kanto too, though I still can't tell if it is better than his Hoenn team. At least that's my opinion.