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Is Ash the best trainer?

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Okay, I'm new here, so I'm sorry if you guys have seen this before. But I looked through the threads, and I couldn't find it so here it is...

Me and my cousin love pokemon, and we also love creating personal fanfiction. And we love doing so to pokemon too. But this question sorta came around from that, because, well, when you create a character, normally that character is the best at what he does (so obviously I make myself champion).

And that made me think. I haven't kept up with the series that much, so after the first few seasons I'm in the dark. Me and my cousin were making up fake matches that could occur between us and Ash, and I looked up on Bulbapedia, and I noticed that Ash has only become the champion of the Orange Islands League.

So, after 12 or so years, numerous seasons, movies, and whatnot, shouldn't he be the best trainer in the world?

I understand that he restarts his team each time, besides Pikachu of course, but still, shouldn't he be a pokemon master by now, able to beat any trainer? And if he's not, what is holding him back? Sorry if I'm rambling, but it's late.

And for those who follow the show better than I, if he's not the best, then who is?
 
Not even close. He might win the Sinnoh League but it'd be unrealistic for him to rival the Elite Four, assuming he would face them after the league.
 
lol best trainer? If he can't beat ONE Elite Four member, he is nowhere close to being "the best"
 
Ash certainly has the potential to be the best trainer, but he's not quite there yet. He's come up with some damn unique winning techniques throughout his training career.

That still doesn't make him any less flat, though. :(
 
I don't think Ash will ever be the best trainer because he keeps chopping/changing his team all the time.
 
Crimson-Ninetales said:
I don't think Ash will ever be the best trainer because he keeps chopping/changing his team all the time.
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AU CONTRAIRE (OR HOWEVER THE FUCK YOU SPELL THAT).

Trainers who stick with one team all the time are usually the ones who end up getting the hell beaten out of them in a battle at some point. Team changes are there so you can find good type matchups and good strategies for the next battle.
 
Crimson-Ninetales said:
I don't think Ash will ever be the best trainer because he keeps chopping/changing his team all the time.
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That doesn't make any sense. What's the point of there being almost 500 Pokemon and him trying to become a Pokemon Master if he's not going to switch his team around and catch new Pokemon?
 
Just because he's the main character doesn't mean he HAS to be the BEST, there are 43664236435634532 other trainers in this world - why would Ash magically get stronger than them all?
If they'll say Ash is "the best", why would he continue his joruney?...

There is no "the best", not in Pokémon, not in real life, not in anything - one of the main things Pokémon teach us is that there's always someone better
If I had to say though who are some of the better ones, I guess it's the Elite Four and Champion of each region - but even they aren't close to being unbeatable

Ash might win the Sinnoh League since we did get some hints now, but winning just one League is probably not much - it is a big achievement but it's not even close to make one a Pokémon Master, as far as we know

About him using different Poké every time - he'd be stupid if he kept the same team all the time
Part of being a good trainer is getting experience with many different Pokémon and prove you can even make a "weak" Poké into a "strong" one
Not to mention it'd be extremely boring to watch Ash with the exact same team for more than 10 years...
 
BlitzSage said:
When you create a character, normally that character is the best at what he does (so obviously I make myself champion).
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That's actually typically considered an amateur mistake in character creation, but if you keep your fan fiction to yourselves it's not a big deal.

Anyway, Ash isn't anywhere near the best, but his power fluctuates enough that you could probably justify his success or failure in almost any match up. He has a tendency to lose to people he should be beating and beat people he shouldn't.
 
no.....major improvements are needed for him to be the...."very best, like no one ever was" (XD)
 
even if he were to become that, the next region he'd visit he'd lose to sunkerns again.
 
I don't think that Ash is the best trainer, I mean come on he would get stomped flat with a match against someone like Lance and Cynthia to name but a few. He had beaten some other people in tough matches like Drake, Brandon (pure fluke is you ask me) and several others but I think this all has to do with his Pokemon team also. If he didn't stick with one team from one season (if he switched them more regular (lets say Muk, Pikachu, Buizal, Bulbasaur, Staraptor and Grotle) then he would have a much better chance but as is he is nowhere close.
 
He's not the best, but he's stronger now than he ever was in the past. I'm betting Ash will beat the Sinnoh Elite 4, even if he loses to Cynthia.
 
Sleet said:
That's actually typically considered an amateur mistake in character creation, but if you keep your fan fiction to yourselves it's not a big deal.

Anyway, Ash isn't anywhere near the best, but his power fluctuates enough that you could probably justify his success or failure in almost any match up. He has a tendency to lose to people he should be beating and beat people he shouldn't.
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That's the main reason I was asking, because I wanted to create a rivalry between me and him, since we're both from Pallet Town. But like I said, I haven't kept up with the series much.

But I figured that he wasn't, and realistically it makes sense to me, because they want to keep the show going, and they can't do that if he's the best trainer.

But then again, when you think about it, since he has a new team each time, he has to train his pokemon over again. So if he loses a match to someone like Cynthia, who has trained her team a long time seemingly, it's not exactly fair.

It's like me. I've had the same team on Blue/Silver for over ten years now. If I were to create myself in a fanfiction, I would have used the same pokemon instead of using a new team.

So, if I were to guess, probably not the best trainer, but then again, I guess there are numerous ways to define what a good trainer is, which is why I made this thread. Basically to ask, if Ash isn't the best, who is?
 
BlitzSage said:
That's the main reason I was asking, because I wanted to create a rivalry between me and him, since we're both from Pallet Town. But like I said, I haven't kept up with the series much.

But I figured that he wasn't, and realistically it makes sense to me, because they want to keep the show going, and they can't do that if he's the best trainer.

But then again, when you think about it, since he has a new team each time, he has to train his pokemon over again. So if he loses a match to someone like Cynthia, who has trained her team a long time seemingly, it's not exactly fair.

It's like me. I've had the same team on Blue/Silver for over ten years now. If I were to create myself in a fanfiction, I would have used the same pokemon instead of using a new team.

So, if I were to guess, probably not the best trainer, but then again, I guess there are numerous ways to define what a good trainer is, which is why I made this thread. Basically to ask, if Ash isn't the best, who is?
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Not one team in Pokemon is perfect or invincible. Every Pokemon is designed to have a counter or a way to be taken down. So your "all mighty" team can be swept by loads of People, especially since your team doesn't have any new moves to learn. Also what is the point of going to a new region without catching any new Pokemon or training them?? If Ash used Charizard for let's say the first Gym, it would totally be unfair, even if it is Rock types. Charizard is way higher level then any of Roarks Pokemon. So in the end it would be unfair if Ash uses his old Pokemon. Also the motherfucking point of the Elite 4 is to be strong, so Cynthia kicking the crap out of Ash is perfectly fine, it just means he cannot train his Pokemon to be powerful enough.

Use logic fanboy.
 
.ιиsσмиιαc. said:
Not one team in Pokemon is perfect or invincible. Every Pokemon is designed to have a counter or a way to be taken down. So your "all mighty" team can be swept by loads of People, especially since your team doesn't have any new moves to learn. Also what is the point of going to a new region without catching any new Pokemon or training them?? If Ash used Charizard for let's say the first Gym, it would totally be unfair, even if it is Rock types. Charizard is way higher level then any of Roarks Pokemon. So in the end it would be unfair if Ash uses his old Pokemon. Also the motherfucking point of the Elite 4 is to be strong, so Cynthia kicking the crap out of Ash is perfectly fine, it just means he cannot train his Pokemon to be powerful enough.

Use logic fanboy.
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Well, first you said that not one pokemon is invincible, and any pokemon has a counter and a way to be taken down. But then you said that if Ash used Charizard, he'd be so unstoppable that he'd be able to win by himself with a type disadvantage. Doesn't that contradict what you just said?

So if one were to use logic, can't it be said that you could train a pokemon to the point where he could disregard type advantages? Look at the match between Cynthia and Paul. Garchomp is trained to the point where powerful moves and type disadvantages to not count. Because her Garchomp was higher level pokemon than possibly all of his pokemon combined.

My point is that, if we're talking about the anime, yes, Ash's Charizard would be unstoppable, because he trained him from a Charmander to be that way. Then Charizard was able to hold his own against two legendaries. That's why Ash uses new pokemon each time, because he wants a completely new challenge (also, let's be real, it keeps the series going).

And I agree, him losing to the Elite Four or to Cynthia seems perfectly alright to me. Because they are, well, elite trainers.

But my point is that they do not seem to do what he does, transfer from league to league with new teams. And it's not like Ash hasn't done pretty well in each league. I mean, he placed top 16 in Kanto, and top 8 in the other two, while winning the Kanto Battle Frontier and Orange League championships. So, I would argue that with those stats, and the fact that he changes teams, he is also an elite trainer.

But I'm sure that he's not the best. So, would you all agree and say that Cynthia is the most powerful trainer?
 
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He generally gets stronger each region, while also having the setbacks of Pikachu's power being reset, and the fact that as Sleet said, he loses to some newbie trainers yet at the same time beats experienced adults in the same saga.

There are some DP eps where Ash battles Dawn, and honestly, with an experienced veteran like Ash battling a newbie like Dawn, especially in early DP, she really shouldn't have been able to fight back as well as she did.

But that's how the anime works.
 
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