Is game freak too restrictive with the move hurricane

[Peppermint Phoenix]

I think they are plenty of pokemon can learn brizzard focus blast or thunder but only a hand full can learn Hurricane. Pidgey and evos, Water bird pokemon, Whimsicott, Volcarna Dragonite and Tornados. That is not very many. There is no TM for it like most powerful moves. I would love it if Charizard and Hydreigon could learn it not to mention pokemon that can use various energy moves like Porygon Z and Nidoking. What are your thoughts on the matter

 

[Bouffalant Herdier]

No. If the move becomes available for more Pokemon later on, they need to be careful and not just give it to any Pokemon with wings. Rain-based teams have too much of an advantage as it is, and if Zapdos could learn Hurricane as well as Thunder, that's two 180 power moves with 100% accuracy, both with a 30% chance of causing a status change. The very thought of it makes me want to cry.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

No. If the move becomes available for more Pokemon later on, they need to be careful and not just give it to any Pokemon with wings. Rain-based teams have too much of an advantage as it is, and if Zapdos could learn Hurricane as well as Thunder, that's two 180 power moves with 100% accuracy, both with a 30% chance of causing a status change. The very thought of it makes me want to cry.

But not everyone plays the meta game and Game freak doesn't care about it. And it wont give them that much more of an advantage. I guess they can get around this by making a non rain based fire blast variation but I just want it to be more avaliable for the coolness factor. They could have at least given it to Salamence and charizard.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Well there really aren't that many special-based flying types in the game, and Hurricane is still a new move, so give it time.

 

[Sweet Veil]

I don't see the point in throwing out Hurricane like it's candy. I don't see much of a point in every Pokemon with large wings, or that can use energy learning it. Charizard doesn't really thrive in the Rain, so using Hurricane with that shoddy accuracy in Sun isn't really gonna help it's case a lot of the time. Swanna and Pelipper are water birds, it's natural they could learn Hurricane since they primarily live and fly around strong winds and water. Volcarona is a very ancient type Pokemon, Dragonite is known for it's ability to control Weather, even it's wings are small. And of course Pidgey are pigeons.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

I don't see the point in throwing out Hurricane like it's candy. I don't see much of a point in every Pokemon with large wings, or that can use energy learning it. Charizard doesn't really thrive in the Rain, so using Hurricane with that shoddy accuracy in Sun isn't really gonna help it's case a lot of the time. Swanna and Pelipper are water birds, it's natural they could learn Hurricane since they primarily live and fly around strong winds and water. Volcarona is a very ancient type Pokemon, Dragonite is known for it's ability to control Weather, even it's wings are small. And of course Pidgey are pigeons.

Charizard doesn't need the rain for Hurricane to be good look at focus blast. People use focus blast so why not an unassisted hurricane.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

I don't see the point in throwing out Hurricane like it's candy. I don't see much of a point in every Pokemon with large wings, or that can use energy learning it. Charizard doesn't really thrive in the Rain, so using Hurricane with that shoddy accuracy in Sun isn't really gonna help it's case a lot of the time. Swanna and Pelipper are water birds, it's natural they could learn Hurricane since they primarily live and fly around strong winds and water. Volcarona is a very ancient type Pokemon, Dragonite is known for it's ability to control Weather, even it's wings are small. And of course Pidgey are pigeons.

Charizard doesn't need the rain for Hurricane to be good look at focus blast. People use focus blast so why not an unassisted hurricane.

That's no longer true as Charizard now runs SolarBeam due to Solar Power.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

I don't see the point in throwing out Hurricane like it's candy. I don't see much of a point in every Pokemon with large wings, or that can use energy learning it. Charizard doesn't really thrive in the Rain, so using Hurricane with that shoddy accuracy in Sun isn't really gonna help it's case a lot of the time. Swanna and Pelipper are water birds, it's natural they could learn Hurricane since they primarily live and fly around strong winds and water. Volcarona is a very ancient type Pokemon, Dragonite is known for it's ability to control Weather, even it's wings are small. And of course Pidgey are pigeons.

Charizard doesn't need the rain for Hurricane to be good look at focus blast. People use focus blast so why not an unassisted hurricane.

That's no longer true as Charizard now runs SolarBeam due to Solar Power.

DW Charizard is an released internationally unless I missed it. And does the word versitility have any meaning to you?

 

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Charizard can't use Hurricane effictively. Hurrican NEEDS Rain to be worth it.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

I don't see the point in throwing out Hurricane like it's candy. I don't see much of a point in every Pokemon with large wings, or that can use energy learning it. Charizard doesn't really thrive in the Rain, so using Hurricane with that shoddy accuracy in Sun isn't really gonna help it's case a lot of the time. Swanna and Pelipper are water birds, it's natural they could learn Hurricane since they primarily live and fly around strong winds and water. Volcarona is a very ancient type Pokemon, Dragonite is known for it's ability to control Weather, even it's wings are small. And of course Pidgey are pigeons.

Charizard doesn't need the rain for Hurricane to be good look at focus blast. People use focus blast so why not an unassisted hurricane.

That's no longer true as Charizard now runs SolarBeam due to Solar Power.

DW Charizard is an released internationally unless I missed it. And does the word versitility have any meaning to you?

DW Charizard is already available in Japan for more than a year now. Charizard already has enough versatility in its movepool, but like Sceptile, it's being used in the wrong offensive side.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

Charizard can't use Hurricane effictively. Hurrican NEEDS Rain to be worth it.

FOCUS BLAST SAME POWER SAME ACCUARACY NO PROBLEM! Not worth it in the meta game due to type? Not everyone plays the meta game. And this still doesn't address Hydreigon Nidoking and porygon. If it could use Blizzard and it isn't a ice or water it should be able to learn hurricane cause it is still wind and water.

 

[The Outrage]

Charizard can't use Hurricane effictively. Hurrican NEEDS Rain to be worth it.

FOCUS BLAST SAME POWER SAME ACCUARACY NO PROBLEM!

Focus Blast is a trade-off for coverage, Hurricane is impeded by strong sunlight, which is the only time Charizard is worth using. So what are you trading off for a slightly more powerful flying type move? A weaker fire-type STAB. Or, you can keep the strong fire type move, and trade of accuracy for strength. What does using Focus Blast do for Charizard? Provides it coverage it would otherwise not have. It's accuracy is low, but there's more benefit than cost for using it compared to Hurricane. Oh, and trading up 30% flinch for 30% accuracy? You're really losing a lot on this deal. You lose accuracy, you lose power, and you lose better secondary effects.

So here's what we have for Hurricane:
Benefits
[+]More powerful Flying type move
Cost
[-]Less Accuracy
[-]Even less accuracy if you wish to maintain the strength of your fire moves/Weaker fire moves
[-]Worse secondary effects than Air Slash (confusion vs. flinch)
[-]No additional coverage Charizard didn't already have

Here's what we have for Focus Blast:
Benefits
[+]More Power
[+]Better coverage
[+]Takes care of Heatran, possibly the biggest threat to Charizard
[+]10% chance to lower SDef
Cost
[-]Less accuracy

Not worth it in the meta game due to type? Not everyone plays the meta game.

If that's the case, you can make an argument for any move for any Pokémon.

 

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Fighting is a far better offensive type than Flying. Thus, Focus Blast is a far better alternative to Hurricane. And yes, not everyone plays the metagame but you seem to be focused on the metagame implications. Also, Game Freak does care about the metagame. They care about it a lot. The imporvements in Gen III and IV being mostly metagame related proves this.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Charizard can't use Hurricane effictively. Hurrican NEEDS Rain to be worth it.

FOCUS BLAST SAME POWER SAME ACCUARACY NO PROBLEM! Not worth it in the meta game due to type? Not everyone plays the meta game. And this still doesn't address Hydreigon Nidoking and porygon. If it could use Blizzard and it isn't a ice or water it should be able to learn hurricane cause it is still wind and water.

The thing is, GF has a habit of giving a lot of normal types elemental moves like Blizzard despite not having enough power to abuse them (it was also a common back in Gen 1).

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

Not worth it in the meta game due to type? Not everyone plays the meta game.

If that's the case, you can make an argument for any move for any Pokémon.

If it Makes sense for the pokemon to have the move then the Pokemon should have the move regardless of how good it is and it is still a good move. And again there are others besides charizard. Salamence, Nidoqueen, Porygon, Venomoth, Shiftry. If it can use one wind attack it should be able to use another. Volcarana is fire type too so the arguement of Charizard can't learn it cause of water is null and void.

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Not worth it in the meta game due to type? Not everyone plays the meta game.

If that's the case, you can make an argument for any move for any Pokémon.

If it Makes sense for the pokemon to have the move then the Pokemon should have the move regardless of how good it is and it is still a good move. And again there are others besides charizard. Salamence, Nidoqueen, Porygon, Venomoth, Shiftry. If it can use one wind attack it should be able to use another. Volcarana is fire type too so the arguement of Charizard can't learn it cause of water is null and void.

Volcarona only has one set that requires Hurricane, and it's restricted to Rain Dance team and favors its Bug typing, which is more useful than Flying.

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

Not worth it in the meta game due to type? Not everyone plays the meta game.

If that's the case, you can make an argument for any move for any Pokémon.

If it Makes sense for the pokemon to have the move then the Pokemon should have the move regardless of how good it is and it is still a good move. And again there are others besides charizard. Salamence, Nidoqueen, Porygon, Venomoth, Shiftry. If it can use one wind attack it should be able to use another. Volcarana is fire type too so the arguement of Charizard can't learn it cause of water is null and void.

Volcarona only has one set that requires Hurricane, and it's restricted to Rain Dance team and favors its Bug typing, which is more useful than Flying.

Yes but it could still learn it and it is cool that it can learn it. And again other pokemon.

 

[Joshawott]

No. If the move becomes available for more Pokemon later on, they need to be careful and not just give it to any Pokemon with wings. Rain-based teams have too much of an advantage as it is, and if Zapdos could learn Hurricane as well as Thunder, that's two 180 power moves with 100% accuracy, both with a 30% chance of causing a status change. The very thought of it makes me want to cry.

But not everyone plays the meta game and Game freak doesn't care about it.

Actually, in an interview with Official Nintendo Magazine (UK), Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori outright stated that they keep a close eye on what Pokémon people are using in the official competitions, so they know when a Pokémon is too powerful, what a new generation needs etc.

Charizard can't use Hurricane effictively. Hurrican NEEDS Rain to be worth it.

FOCUS BLAST SAME POWER SAME ACCUARACY NO PROBLEM! Not worth it in the meta game due to type? Not everyone plays the meta game. And this still doesn't address Hydreigon Nidoking and porygon. If it could use Blizzard and it isn't a ice or water it should be able to learn hurricane cause it is still wind and water.

The thing is, GF has a habit of giving a lot of normal types elemental moves like Blizzard despite not having enough power to abuse them (it was also a common back in Gen 1).

More often than not, a Pokémon is given good stats and a poor moveset, or poor stats and a good movepool to help balance things. Obviously there are exceptions, but a lot of the time this happens (look at the majority of Unova Pokémon for example).

 

[Peppermint Phoenix]

Other pokemon like Nidoking can take advantage of the rain so the should learn hurricane. I still think Charizard should learn it for the purposes of having a stronger non flying stab move. Even if Focus Blast is more useful it still shows that Hurricane can be useful.

Hydreigon and Venomoth still should be able to learn it because it gives them more option.

Overall this moves should have had a TM

 

[Ghetsis-Dennis]

Other pokemon like Nidoking can take advantage of the rain so the should learn hurricane. I still think Charizard should learn it for the purposes of having a stronger non flying stab move. Even if Focus Blast is more useful it still shows that Hurricane can be useful.

Who in their right mind would send out a Nidoking in the rain, which boosts water types: One of Nidoking's weaknesses. And don't get me started on Swift Swim.

Overall this moves should have had a TM

Or a Breeding Move/Move Tutor because I'm pretty sure moves that weren't TM before will never become TMs in the future.