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Is hgss making DPt look more of an over glorified DS tech demo?

Mitchman

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So I was wondering. With HGSS doing things say 100x better then DPt did things excluding things its doing what DPt should have are you seeing DPt more of a tech demo to show that they can do Pokemon on the DS?
 
I don't quite follow you, but I do think that they put way to much effort in Hg/Ss, which makes the main games look crappy. Not such a smart move game freak.
 
mijzelffan said:
I don't quite follow you, but I do think that they put way to much effort in Hg/Ss, which makes the main games look crappy. Not such a smart move game freak.
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Or maybe it was a smart move? Possibly shows they can breathe even more new life in a long running series.

Besides, despite many people wanting remakes of HG/SS, a lot have people have been complaining about it. If it's better than D/P/Pt then I can't see them complaining anymore... Or complaining as much, since it'll be a better game (one hopes...)
 
mijzelffan said:
I don't quite follow you, but I do think that they put way to much effort in Hg/Ss, which makes the main games look crappy. Not such a smart move game freak.
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Exactly. Their effort for HGSS is much greater then what they did in DPt and overall the main games are looking way under powered compare to these. I can really see complaints about this later on and it could become a problem.
 
They are obviously saving the best for last. And why make a big deal out of something if you're not going to do it right?
 
I do love the amount of effort and glory GameFreak is giving to HGSS.

However, I wished they putted this much effort in the actual new games of the generation, not remakes. Don't get me wrong, HGSS looks amazing, but DPPt could use more spice. I'm afraid HGSS will blow DPPt out of the water and overshadow those games.

Then again their 'secret' moto is pretty much "Let's not live this game to its full-potential and effort, so the next games sells even better!".
 
It's much better than dppt because it is supposed to be newer, but it just makes dp look older, not like some tech demo.

Emerald, Blue, and Crystal were much better than the other games in the same generation, mainly because of engine improvements and graphical improvements.
 
Still Gligar13 they went further then they did with platinum which is pretty much a wrong move seeing how Platinum should have been the improver not games that are being remade.
 
Mitchman said:
Still Gligar13 they went further then they did with platinum which is pretty much a wrong move seeing how Platinum should have been the improver not games that are being remade.
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There is only one way that could have been done. game freak would have had to realease HG/SS first, then develop and release Platinum, just like the Gen 3 Remakes. In that case, Platinum would probably use HG/SS engine, just like Emerald and FR/LG. I don't think game freak wanted that. They know that there is no Pokemon fan who does not love G/S/C to death. They wanted to make it better than DPPt.
 
Mitchman said:
Still Gligar13 they went further then they did with platinum which is pretty much a wrong move seeing how Platinum should have been the improver not games that are being remade.
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And why is that? Considering that the majority of players are too young to have played the Generation II games, but had played Diamond or Pearl before Platinum came out, HGSS are newer to them than Platinum ever was. In light of that, it was sensible of Game Freak to invest most of their time on the remakes, so that even veterans can view them as new games in a certain sense.

Moreover, this interview pretty much confirms that Game Freak were really proud of their work on Gold and Silver. I doubt that the same can be said for any other game.
 
Well, Diamond and Pearl were made by 2006, which was a little bit less than 3 years ago. Platinum was more or less the "completed" Diamond and Pearl, so yeah, DP was a "tech demo."
HeartGold and SoulSilver have had a lot more time and investment into it.
They have made new sprites for the majority of the pre-AG pokemon plus the new game mechanics (Pokeathalon, Johto's Safari Zone).
 
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I don't agree with this. I think I will still play Platinum after HGSS comes out. In fact, I think I will keep Platinum as my main game for competitive battling and whatnot. I see remakes like FRLG and HGSS more as side games then legit series games. The same will go when gen V comes out. The main series games will be my main game, and if they make a remake I will see it as a side game.
 
mijzelffan said:
I don't quite follow you, but I do think that they put way to much effort in Hg/Ss, which makes the main games look crappy. Not such a smart move game freak.
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Yeah they should have been lazy with HGSS just so it was 'on par' with DPt.

Nah but srsly I think it was. I didn't like the game that much. The story wasn't that great. Tech demo - yes
 
Now that I think about it, how do we know HGSS is going to be so spectacular in the first place? Sure we've seen a good amount of features, but no one has actually played the game yet. For all we know, it could be a piece of shit.
 
Apparently, better use of the Touch Screen makes HGSS miles better than Platinum. Diamond/Pearl did fail in many ways, so I'll keep them out.

Platinum is a very good game, and I really don't think HGSS will make it seem that bad. I mostly see HGSS as the game Gold/Silver should have been. The remade features seem great, and the further implementation of the Touch Screen is a step in the right direction. Still, regardless of all the hate it likely gets, the Pokétch is the best Pokégadget. The new Pokégear is a better-looking Pokétch, that's it. Besides the Radio and the Phone, it's pretty much the same. If the Phone is still like the Trainer's Eyes in Emerald, or worse, like the GSC Phone, then I'd rather have the VS Seeker any day. The Radio... I hope it has more of a spin now. I always found it useless beyond changing the music... which reverted to the regular area music when you changed areas. Go figure.

I hope there's a way to use some great Pokétch features, such as the Daycare App, the Friendship Checker and the Counter. They're too useful to leave them out. Even the Pedometer had a good deal of use, and I prefer the Dowsing Machine to the Itemfinder (If we have the Itemfinder again, hopefully it's like the FRLG one at least).

The cutscenes look great, and they're finally giving Johto the glory it always deserved. The graphics are about the same, really. I can't see what makes HGSS miles better than Platinum. If it supports random Wi-Fi Battles, then we'll be able to make such claim. Otherwise, it's amazing, yes, but not unbelievably so. Even with Touch Screen functionality, it's nothing so damn great on its own it completely replaces Platinum.

I think we all should wait to actually play the game before saying this.
 
DPPt were the first Pokemon games of the major series (not counting spin-offs.) to be on the DS. Now that they've been out awhile, GF has a chance to improve the engine and fix up any problems. They now have experience with creating a big Pokemon game on the DS, so it's only natural for them to build upon the engine and evolve (no pun intended) the gameplay.

And too many features isn't a bad thing at all. If anything, it's better than making a straight-up port with very little alterations. I can always skip over the features not necessary for the main storyline anyway.

I don't like to compare HGSS to DPPt. As Orion said, the remakes seem to be a second chance at fixing up the original GSC games. Johto has a ton of potential that wasn't really tapped into back then. I know the games aren't out yet but from what all the news and features we've seen, it's highly unlikely that they'll screw it up badly.

HGSS isn't trying to "one-up" DPPt in my opinion. DPPt moved along next generation of the series on a new system. HGSS was made as a remake and, as Orion said, to show people what GSC should've been.
 
GSC were perfect 10/10 games IMHO, in fact my second favorite games after The Wind Waker. They pretty much could have kept everything the same, but updated the graphics and I'd be fine.

That said, they haven't been released yet so I may be wrong, but it seems like less of a leap from DPPt to HGSS than it was from RSE to FRLG.
 
Envoy said:
Just out of sheer curiosity, were does that hatred stem from?
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The lack of originality. Everyone says it such a great game, while you're basically playing an upgraded R/B (maybe you like that, but I don't). you can even go back to Kanto, get exact the same pokémon at the beginning of the game, meet team rocket again, battle the same league again (even battle the main character from the perquel), and if that wasn't abd enough they even let you trade back to R/B to make the game even more attached to it's prequel. GSC is attached to R/B in every possible way, which sucks. Also lot's of pokémon got unneeded split-evolutions while the other ones were much better (but that's my opinion).

Main point: The game was not very original, unlike R/S which I really enjoyed to play.
 
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