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Hey I was wondering something about trading online with people. Is it wrong to duplicate Pokemon. The reason I am asking is that I recently got PIkachu Colored Pichu and event Arceus off of someone and well I was thinking of duplicating them for other people. I have heard mixed things about it and I was actually having a bit of a guilty consiousness about taking someone else's Pokemon and duplicating it. The main reason I am asking is that I know Arceus and Pichu are had to get a hold of and they are quite desired in HG/SS. So what I am really asking is should I trade these Pokemon to others.
 
Most people, myself included, would say no. It's alright if you duplicate them for yourself, but don't bring that online.
 
Make sure the people you intend to give it to know that it's cloned. I think cloning is generally better accepted than outright hacks, but it's always courteous to let people know.
 
I agree with Edo as long as the people you trade with know it's a clone I don't see the harm in cloning.
 
Edo-kun said:
Make sure the people you intend to give it to know that it's cloned. I think cloning is generally better accepted than outright hacks, but it's always courteous to let people know.
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This.

Honestly, if it wasn't for cloning, there wouldn't be nearly as many threads offering legendaries or event Pokemon in the Trade Station. I'm positive most, if not all, of the Movie12 Arceus and PCP being offered in there are clones. The main concern that most people have about cloning is that it can mess up their game files or something. However, while it's certainly possible that the method used to clone Pokemon, such as glitch-abuse or use of a cheat device like an AR Max, could damage a save file, I've never heard of or personally experienced corruption to a save file from receiving a clone via trade.
 
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Rellik said:
This.

Honestly, if it wasn't for cloning, there wouldn't be nearly as many threads offering legendaries or event Pokemon in the Trade Station. I'm positive most, if not all, of the Movie12 Arceus and PCP being offered in there are clones. The main concern that most people have about cloning is that it can mess up their game files or something. However, while it's certainly possible that the method used to clone Pokemon, such as glitch-abuse or use of a cheat device like an AR Max, could damage a save file, I've never heard of or personally experienced corruption to a save file from receiving a clone via trade.
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This. X2

Whenever i get a good pokemon off the GTS i clone it and put a copy back on there ... spread the love ya know.

I've never experienced problems with clones, all the methods just copy the data and stick it in a empty space on the memory... it's very hard to corrupt it like that.
 
Wow thanks guys I feel a lot better about it, sort of you know. Thanks for the advice.
 
Just make aware the person trading knows they are clones. It depends on what they think or want after all.I personally dont see it as a big deal as long as they know and cloning to ensure they see the events is kind of a nice gesture.
 
You don't have to feel guilty when you trade cloned Pokemon. They work the same as the original ones and they don't cause glitches and stuff. I know because I have tested it out.
 
I don't trade much anymore, but when I do, I offer significantly less in return for a cloned pokemon. I don't mind getting them, but I don't want to trade something I've put a lot of time into for one.
 
TheMissingno. said:
I don't trade much anymore, but when I do, I offer significantly less in return for a cloned pokemon. I don't mind getting them, but I don't want to trade something I've put a lot of time into for one.
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What if it's a clone of a legitimate EV trained or IV bred Pokemon? A lot of work went into the raising/breeding of the original Pokemon, so why is a copy less valuable?
 
Rellik said:
What if it's a clone of a legitimate EV trained or IV bred Pokemon? A lot of work went into the raising/breeding of the original Pokemon, so why is a copy less valuable?
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because they've only done half the work normally needed to get this theoretical pair of identical EV trained/IV bred Pokemon. at least, I'd think that's why.
 
Treating clones like they are completely legitimate (such as putting them on the GTS as if they were legitimate, against the knowledge of the person trading for it) destroys the concept of the effort it takes to get good Pokémon. If both parties involved are OK with that, then trading clones is fine. However, you should always assume that any given person is not OK with it unless you are told otherwise.
 
They are legit but I generally don't do them. I perfer my own natural talents in breeding to clones. That being said, legendaries, shinyies and event pokemon I'm fine with receiving cloned as they are hard enough to get them.
 
Edo-kun said:
Make sure the people you intend to give it to know that it's cloned. I think cloning is generally better accepted than outright hacks, but it's always courteous to let people know.
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Emi-chan said:
because they've only done half the work normally needed to get this theoretical pair of identical EV trained/IV bred Pokemon. at least, I'd think that's why.
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now, this is an argument that is very flawed.
Pokemon are chunks of data, correct?
As are papers.
say i write a paper on a .txt document. I write the entire thing, and then transfer it over to a Word Document.
Should the teacher not accept it because all i did was copy it over?
After all, i put in the work, i just copied it over. both are acceptable papers, are you saying its wrong to give out copies of the data you put hard work into?
I see no reason to tell them. as long as you didnt hack the pokemon, its fine. its just another chunk of data.
 
DCM said:
now, this is an argument that is very flawed.
Pokemon are chunks of data, correct?
As are papers.
say i write a paper on a .txt document. I write the entire thing, and then transfer it over to a Word Document.
Should the teacher not accept it because all i did was copy it over?
After all, i put in the work, i just copied it over. both are acceptable papers, are you saying its wrong to give out copies of the data you put hard work into?
I see no reason to tell them. as long as you didnt hack the pokemon, its fine. its just another chunk of data.
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I don't see how writing a paper relates to people's Pokemon at all...
I'm not even arguing anything, anyway, or at least I don't think I was. all I was saying was a possibility as to why Missingno. feels the way he does about cloned Pokemon. sure, you feel differently, but it's him who might feel that way, not me.

the whole chunk of data argument doesn't really change things anyway -- how people treat Pokemon is entirely their choice, data or not.
 
Emi-chan said:
I don't see how writing a paper relates to people's Pokemon at all...

the whole chunk of data argument doesn't really change things anyway -- how people treat Pokemon is entirely their choice, data or not.
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(i guess i clicked yours by accident, i meant to quote Missingno. I apologize for the mix up)
@missingno Master
I was trying to make a parallel, i guess it failed. What I'm saying is i see no issue in cloning because all it is a chunk of data. there are no differences between a clone and a regular pokemon. they both have the same typing, movepool, moveset, IV's, EV's, and you already put in all the hardwork.
 
That's true, it is a chunk of data.

So why would I offer less in return? Economics. If the person I am trading is a cloner, then that means by default he has an infinite supply of whatever he's trading. Hard work or not, having such a large supply makes something less valuable. After all, he's not losing anything when he trades me.

If someone who doesn't clone is offering a one of a kind pokemon, then I'd be willing to trade more if he asked for more.
 
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