Is it possible we'll see the Battle Frontier BEFORE the League?

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This is just a prediction I came up with after seeing the new Pokemon theme song "The Greatest - Everyday!". I think once Ash gets his 8th badge and finds out when the next Pokemon Leauge will start he will challenge the Sinnoh Battle Frontier before going to the Pokemon Leauge if there is plenty of time. Note that after Ash receive his 8th badge from Juan in Hoenn Juan's butler said "the next Hoenn Leauge Championship is scheduled to commence 3 months from now" in the episode Eight Ain't Enough, meaning if the Sinnoh Leauge commences 3-4 months after Ash receives his 8th badge from Volkner he has time to challenge the Sinnoh Battle Frontier even with Dawns upcoming Grand Festival there is still plenty of time since Dawn will probably get her 5th Ribbon on episode DP162 so she doesn't have to worry about qualifying. Since there are only 5 Battle Frontier Facilities in Sinnoh the writers could do the Frontier fillers before the Pokemon Leauge instead of the Battle Frontier going after the Pokemon Leauge ends. By doing this it gives Ash's Monferno and Grotle to evolve instead of rushing it. (I read a few post saying its ok to rush through Monferno's evolution, now they dont have to.) Gible also has more time to train with Ash to perfect its move Draco Meteor and gain valuable experience. This also lets Jessie catch up so that she can gain the 2 Contest Ribbons she needs in order to participate in the Grand Festival. With the theme song showing us Ash's old Pokemon Muk, Snorlax, Bayleef, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Noctowl, Donphan, Corphish, Torkoal and Glalie. I think he is going to use these Pokemon to battle with in the Sinnoh Battle Frontier and probably in the Sinnoh Leauge seeing as they are seen together with Ash facing his Sinnoh Rivals. I know since Hoenn that Ash only uses the Pokemon he captures in that Region to be used in that Region's Pokemon Leauge, but since theme songs always shows spoilers for future episodes Ash will probably use his old Pokemon that are shown in the theme song for the Sinnoh Leauge as subs. (In the game the Battle Frontier is in close proximity with each other so I think the writers will probably keep it that way in the anime so that Ash doesn't have to travel far to reach each Facilities saving him time and giving him time before the Pokemon Leauge starts).

What do you think about my prediction?
 
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Battle frontier before the league... Interesting idea... I like the prediction except for the part where Ash uses his old pokemon in the Sinnoh League... especially in the match against Paul, it cannot happen cause then Ash woud just say that he agree with Paul in trusting powerful pokemon instead of trusting in his pokemon the way they are... Just saying that it would be out of character for him...
 
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With the great Pyramif King Brandon's words: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This gap has already been enough. I want to see the super epic Grand Festival and super duper epic League.

Frontier Brains can show off their asses after Ash kicks Paul's ass, but for now: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
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Battle frontier before the league... Interesting idea... I like the prediction except for the part where Ash uses his old pokemon in the Sinnoh League... especially in the match against Paul, it cannot happen cause then Ash woud just say that he agree with Paul in trusting powerful pokemon instead of trusting in his pokemon the way they are... Just saying that it would be out of character for him...

Point taken, but he doesn't have to use the old pokemon in the main battle matches just in the preliminaries so its a guarantee that he moves on to the next round.

With the great Pyramif King Brandon's words: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This gap has already been enough. I want to see the super epic Grand Festival and super duper epic League.

Frontier Brains can show off their asses after Ash kicks Paul's ass, but for now: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I know what you mean I cant wait either, but wouldn't it be much better for Ash to conquer the Battle Frontier first and then kicks Paul's ass later all the way to the other side of the universe. Since Ash's pokemon defeated the Frontier Brains pokemon it sure to mean Ash will definitely defeat Paul.
 
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If there would be Battle Frontier before League, don't you think we would have Frontier Brains in that opening? They aren't there, so, sorry buddy, this will not happen.
Also, I am pretty sure Ash will only use his Sinnoh Pokémon, no matter how many of his old Pokémon are in that opening.
And I still think we will not see another Battle Frontier after the recent turn of events. They will not stay in Sinnoh after league if for nothing else then for Dawn, who will have no purpose in Sinnoh after Grand Festival. And we all know (or at least these of us who are using common sense) Dawn will stay in anime at least until gen 5. So we will either see anything but Gyms and BF in Johto (but what?) or we'll go to anime only region for more or less normal Gym challenge for Ash and of course Contests for Dawn. And I think the latter is more likely what we'll get.
 
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If Ash conquers the Frontier first, than that means no epic Legendary fights, which is something I don't want to see.
 
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I usually say they'll either spread the brains over Johto or make up a new anime only region (similar to Orange) with Gyms (made up leaders like Orange) and Contests
But DP surprised us on so many things... I really can't confidently speculate about anything now because it seems like once we think something will happen, they surprise us and do exactly the opposite XD
Everyone agreed that Ambi was probably released because the writers thought it'd be too hard to handle Dawn with 6 Poké without totally neglecting one... but they actually give her a new sixth Poké now - and one that many would believed will appear only with Misty or Cynthia
Most of us also were sure Grotle won't evolve yet it will
We really can't predict what will happen... especially since there are no hints to anything currently
I think we better focus on the upcoming titles that we know of rather than speculate that far ahead... Sinnoh's end might only happen around the end of 2010 so it's useless to speculate now
Also, in case some new games will be released in the upcoming months, maybe these games will offer something new that the anime could use after Sinnoh
 
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To be honest, I never even thought the Togekiss will belong to Misty. I always thought it will be Cynthia's.

Oh and yes, we can predict still a few things, such as we won't see any more old main characters before the League, and any other male protagonist other than Ash, in the main anime, not in a special.
 
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If there would be Battle Frontier before League, don't you think we would have Frontier Brains in that opening? They aren't there, so, sorry buddy, this will not happen.
Also, I am pretty sure Ash will only use his Sinnoh Pokémon, no matter how many of his old Pokémon are in that opening.
And I still think we will not see another Battle Frontier after the recent turn of events. They will not stay in Sinnoh after league if for nothing else then for Dawn, who will have no purpose in Sinnoh after Grand Festival. And we all know (or at least these of us who are using common sense) Dawn will stay in anime at least until gen 5. So we will either see anything but Gyms and BF in Johto (but what?) or we'll go to anime only region for more or less normal Gym challenge for Ash and of course Contests for Dawn. And I think the latter is more likely what we'll get.

Well this is just a prediction I came up with and since there are a lot of twists in the DP season I'll just wait and see what actually happens, if it doesn't happen then its an interesting topic at least having the BF before the PokeL dont you think.
 
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I still have hard time to believe this. I still think Sinnoh will be over before Movie 13.

I don't know... there's too much stuff and they really take their time
The new OP kind of changed my mind about this...
I think Dawn will lose the upcoming Contest and it seems like Jessie will win 2 more ribbons, Dawn will get Togepi (I believe she'll get it as a Togepi), Togepi will evolve, Togetic will evolve, Ash's Grotle will evolve, Ash's Monferno will evolve, Conway and Nando possibly show up soon (Ursula did, so we won't necessarily wait until the League to see them), Ash still needs to get his last badge, then there's the League and GF (both, especially the GF, will probably be longer than the usual) and the possible Elite Four challenge

Let's say every month has 4 episodes (some might have 5 but whatever) and try to speculate every ep:
*note: during any of the "filler" they can easily insert Jessie's next ribbons since I doubt they'll make full eps for that

- Febuary: 162 (confirmed Contest part 2) 163-164 (fillers) 165 (Togepi)
- March: 166 (further focus on Togepi) 167 (filler) 168 (Torterra) 169 (Sunnyshore, meet Flint)
- April: 170-173 (training + possibly Monferno evolving here after seeing Flint's and then 2 parter Gym Battle win)
- May: 174-175 (filler) 176 (meet one of the rivals... hopefully Nando or Conway) 177 (filler)
- June: 178 (Togetic) 179 (Togetic focus) 180 (filler) 181 (Gible perfect Draco Meteor, it needs to happen sometime)
- July: 182 (Togekiss) 183 (Togekiss focus) 184 (Contest part 1) 185 (Contest part 2)
- August: 186-187 (fillers) 188-189 (GF parts 1-2)
- September: 190-192 (GF parts 3-5) 193 (filler)
- October: 194 (filler) 195-197 (League parts 1-3)
- November: 198-201 (League parts 4-7)
- December: 202 (League part 8) 203 (filler) 204 (E4 challenge begins, introduction and start VS Aaron) 205 (quickly end Aaron and start+end VS Flint)
- January: 206 (Bertha) 207 (Lucian) 208 (Lucian end, VS Cynthia) 209 (lose to Cynthia)

Of course, that was only my random spculation and it could go completely different than that
They'll probably cut some fillers and end it before 2011 begins but who knows... it just seems that there's more than enough to continue Sinnoh until the end of this year (not to mention until July for the movie)
 
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I don't know... there's too much stuff and they really take their time
The new OP kind of changed my mind about this...
I think Dawn will lose the upcoming Contest and it seems like Jessie will win 2 more ribbons, Dawn will get Togepi (I believe she'll get it as a Togepi), Togepi will evolve, Togetic will evolve, Ash's Grotle will evolve, Ash's Monferno will evolve, Conway and Nando possibly show up soon (Ursula did, so we won't necessarily wait until the League to see them), Ash still needs to get his last badge, then there's the League and GF (both, especially the GF, will probably be longer than the usual) and the possible Elite Four challenge

Let's say every month has 4 episodes (some might have 5 but whatever) and try to speculate every ep:
*note: during any of the "filler" they can easily insert Jessie's next ribbons since I doubt they'll make full eps for that

- Febuary: 162 (confirmed Contest part 2) 163-164 (fillers) 165 (Togepi)
- March: 166 (further focus on Togepi) 167 (filler) 168 (Torterra) 169 (Sunnyshore, meet Flint)
- April: 170-173 (training + possibly Monferno evolving here after seeing Flint's and then 2 parter Gym Battle win)
- May: 174-175 (filler) 176 (meet one of the rivals... hopefully Nando or Conway) 177 (filler)
- June: 178 (Togetic) 179 (Togetic focus) 180 (filler) 181 (Gible perfect Draco Meteor, it needs to happen sometime)
- July: 182 (Togekiss) 183 (Togekiss focus) 184 (Contest part 1) 185 (Contest part 2)
- August: 186-187 (fillers) 188-189 (GF parts 1-2)
- September: 190-192 (GF parts 3-5) 193 (filler)
- October: 194 (filler) 195-197 (League parts 1-3)
- November: 198-201 (League parts 4-7)
- December: 202 (League part 8) 203 (filler) 204 (E4 challenge begins, introduction and start VS Aaron) 205 (quickly end Aaron and start+end VS Flint)
- January: 206 (Bertha) 207 (Lucian) 208 (Lucian end, VS Cynthia) 209 (lose to Cynthia)

Of course, that was only my random spculation and it could go completely different than that
They'll probably cut some fillers and end it before 2011 begins but who knows... it just seems that there's more than enough to continue Sinnoh until the end of this year (not to mention until July for the movie)


After reading that, I think you may be right. Sinnoh won't be done until the end of the year.
 
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As I stated many times, Ash will not win the league, that's still big no-no for writers, no matter how twisted they may be. With this said, no E4 minisaga. Also, I don't believe the league will last more then usual 6 episodes plus opening ceremony and as much as I hate to tell it, I doubt Grand Festival will have more then usual 3 episodes. And I also believe Togekiss will be caught already fully evolved. That saved us few episodes. My predictement are like this:

February: End of Dawn's final Contests (162, already confirmed), 1 filler, Togekiss capture, 1st Sunyshore episode (165)
March: 1-2 more Sunyshore episodes with Grotle evolution in the Gym battle (166-167), 1 filler, 1 Togekiss focused episode (169)
April: Final Galactic battle, Monferno evolution in it (170-171), pre-GF filler (172), 1st 2 Grand Festival episodes (173-174)
May: End of Grand festival (175), 2 pre-league fillers, maybe with some of the upcoming league rivals (176-177) League opening ceremony (178)
June: League episodes 1-4 (179-182)
July: End of league as 2-parter special (183-184), first two post league episodes with return to Pallet and journey to the next filler saga region as another 2-parter special (185-186), Movie 13, 2 weeks pause to compensate these 2 2-parter weeks (they are allways doing this), 1st regular filler saga episode (187)

Yes, I know it's slightly rushed, but the end of Hoenn were prety much simmilar, so, whatever.
 
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As I stated many times, Ash will not win the league, that's still big no-no for writers, no matter how twisted they may be. With this said, no E4 minisaga. Also, I don't believe the league will last more then usual 6 episodes plus opening ceremony and as much as I hate to tell it, I doubt Grand Festival will have more then usual 3 episodes. And I also believe Togekiss will be caught already fully evolved. That saved us few episodes. My predictement are like this:

February: End of Dawn's final Contests (162, already confirmed), 1 filler, Togekiss capture, 1st Sunyshore episode (165)
March: 1-2 more Sunyshore episodes with Grotle evolution in the Gym battle (166-167), 1 filler, 1 Togekiss focused episode (169)
April: Final Galactic battle, Monferno evolution in it (170-171), pre-GF filler (172), 1st 2 Grand Festival episodes (173-174)
May: End of Grand festival (175), 2 pre-league fillers, maybe with some of the upcoming league rivals (176-177) League opening ceremony (178)
June: League episodes 1-4 (179-182)
July: End of league as 2-parter special (183-184), first two post league episodes with return to Pallet and journey to the next filler saga region as another 2-parter special (185-186), Movie 13, 2 weeks pause to compensate these 2 2-parter weeks (they are allways doing this), 1st regular filler saga episode (187)

Yes, I know it's slightly rushed, but the end of Hoenn were prety much simmilar, so, whatever.


Your right, I don't think Ash will win the League and beat the Elite four. If he does, doen't that make him a Pokemon master, So his story will have to end? I don't think the writers are going to finish Pokemon any time soon.

p.s. I would like to know, who DOES Ash have to do to be fully recognised as a Pokemon Master? Does he have to become the Champion of all the region he's travelled to i.e Kanto, Johto etc?
 
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Lance himself: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokemon_Master

And no, considering Player Character still continues his/her journey, I doubt Ash will stop his journey, or accept the Champion title. I think he will return that title to Cynthia, if he wins against her, that is.

Ok cheers. So Ash has to beat Lance. Well, I can safely say Ash has no chance in hell of doing that now. Pokemon still has 5-10 years left.

p.s. I Loled at the capturing Mewtwo part. If ash manages to do that.... he is a Pokemon master in my opnion.
 
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As I stated many times, Ash will not win the league, that's still big no-no for writers, no matter how twisted they may be.

You can't know that
Everything can happen... people also said "no one will catch an electric type" "Jessie won't win a Contest" "Ash will never trade" and so on
We can't say anything as a fact for sure

will last more then usual 6 episodes plus opening ceremony

So I gave the League just -one- additional episode... my "part 1" is supposed to be the set up ep

and as much as I hate to tell it, I doubt Grand Festival will have more then usual 3 episodes.

I doubt it'd be that hard for them to add just 2 eps
I always hoped they'll do 3 performance rounds instead of two like before and the OP might hint at that too with Dawn's Poké shown in 3 pairs
Also, unlike May who had 2 rivals - Dawn has 5
Yes, you might say she won't battle them all, but I think she will

3 performance will take longer than 2
5 rivals will take much longer than 2
(not to mention they might still make that random rival that pops up during the GF itself)

And I also believe Togekiss will be caught already fully evolved.

Why? The whole purpose is obviously showcasing a gen 2 Pokémon evolve into a gen 4 Pokémon
The main characters (+Paul and Zoey) got ALL (except Pory for obvious reasons) the gen 2 Poké who got gen 4 evolutions and they all were obtained in their first form
I see no reason at all for Togekiss to be different, especially since Togetic itself is seriously in need of screen time (and Togepi is in need of useful screen time where it's not just sitting there)

Yes, I know it's slightly rushed, but the end of Hoenn were prety much simmilar, so, whatever.

Hoenn is Hoenn, Sinnoh is Sinnoh
In Hoenn May didn't get a full team of six, Ash had no rivals at all (meaning real recurring rivals, not league-only), May had only 2 rivals, Ash didn't trade a Pokémon, they didn't have such a long wait between Gym Battles, etc.....

As you can see, our personal opinions affect our speculation and since that's the case, none of us is more right than the other
We're basing it all on opinions rather than facts so there's really no way to know until it happens

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I don't think Ash will win the League and beat the Elite four. If he does, doen't that make him a Pokemon master, So his story will have to end?

Winning ONE League out of 235235623 is nothing
It's a great achievement but it's not really THAT good... I didn't see Tyson being so crazy of excitement of being a Pokémon Master, and in Contests too, Solidad continued to a new journey in Johto despite winning the Kanto GF
It won't mean much if Ash will win, especially if he'll lose to Cynthia which will prove him that he still has a long way to go
 
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