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Is the Anime too Sensitive?

See, it seems weird, but in Japan, people react this way to things all the time. I'm not going to get into a bunch of detail, but TV Tokyo and OLM themselves aren't necessarily being out of the ordinary.

And with the Porygon episode itself, the media banned the episode because children were involved, and that naturally makes people react in more serious ways. It's just the way we are. And SammyW27, about what you said not feeling sorry for the kids, it's not just how close they were to the television, but how fast the lights were flashing, how long they were on the screen, and how big the televisions were, because they were big back then, and they probably had the lights turned off (some of them at least) because they were excited to see an interesting, new episode of Pocket Monsters.
 
And SammyW27, about what you said not feeling sorry for the kids, it's not just how close they were to the television, but how fast the lights were flashing, how long they were on the screen, and how big the televisions were, because they were big back then, and they probably had the lights turned off (some of them at least) because they were excited to see an interesting, new episode of Pocket Monsters.

OH! O_O

Well dang. My mistake (a really big one too). I never really thought of it that way and had no idea there was so much to it. I'm very sorry :dumb:
 
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To an extent, I do believe that the anime staff has become much more responsive to sensitive and controversial issues than it had been in the past. As it had been mentioned in the OP, certain Ground-type attacks such as Magnitude, Earthquake, and Fissure that have been featured in the original series and in the earlier parts of AG are no longer used in the anime. Earth Power, a Ground-type attack similar in nature to the aforementioned moves, had been used only twice in the anime (both in DP). Perhaps for these same reasons, Bulldoze has never been used in the anime.

This attack censorship has even be extended to certain Water-type attacks related to tsunamis, floods, and mud slides. Surf and Waterfall have no longer been featured in the anime since the Wallace Cup. Muddy Water was only featured twice, with the attack range not even close to that of Surf, as the attack is in the games.

There is also the controversy from 1997 which resulted in the members of the Porygon family not being featured in the anime, and resulted in no anime or movie appearances for either of Porygon's evolutions.

To a smaller extent, Liepard (the pokemon that Team Plasma had been seen using during the unaired TR vs TP episodes) had been omitted for the anime for quite some time. Liepard still does not have a true anime appearance with the omission of these episodes. Liepard was only featured in two cameo appearances; one at the start of the Victini films alongside several other pokemon species, although the movies were already in production prior to March 2011, and in a scrap book in BW054, again with other pokemon. Of course, the writers may not have planned to give Liepard a true anime appearance up until BW048, but they have been delaying the pokemon's "true" anime debut for as long as possible after those episodes aired. Even though it is more likely than not Liepard will appear in a future episode at some point, the footage of Team Plasma's pokemon launching a Hyper Beam towards skyscrapers certainly hasn't helped the species that much.

To summarize, the anime staff has been responding to the destruction and casualties that resulted from these disasters by intentionally censoring out certain attacks and pokemon species that are relevant to these tragedies. In my personal opinion, I do believe the anime is too sensitive when it is faced with controversy and backlash. At some point, more attacks or pokemon species from the games might not even get featured in the anime.
 
Even stranger is the fact that the seizures weren't even caused by Porygon...

Pikachu may have been the real offender there, not Porygon, but in the end it's a simple matter of association. Porygon's name was in the title, it was his starring episode, and the producers want to downplay all memory of the incident because they were so shocked and embarrassed by what happened (and as I've said, I don't blame them). Porygon and his evolutions aren't banned from the anime because the producers want to "punish" them, or because of any concerns that viewers might be made sick again if they appear - they just don't want to remind people of the connection between an episode of their show and hundreds of children being hospitalised back in the late 90s. Particularly since they have a reputation to maintain for providing family-friendly entertainment.

I should add that the Porygon evolutionary line is one of my favourites, so I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed that they've effectively been banished from the anime as a result. But there are greater injustices in this world.
 
Japan is just too sensitive, if you ask me.

Even if they are, the US is worse. Jynx, for example: Bulbapedia lists six likely origins that wouldn't be a problem. But no one bothers to do any research before complaining. EP023: Is it really that hard to make a new title card? EP035: A main character catching 30 Pokemon is too major to skip. In Japan, five episodes were banned, and two of them are supposed to air later. In the US, six additional episodes were banned, with another two that aired later. Even with Porygon, Kadabra, and earthquake-related moves not appearing, the US is more sensitive. Where it gets really ridiculous, though:
Banned episodes - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia
Two and a half gym battles? Really?

EDIT: I actually did link to a specific section of the article, even though the link doesn't show it.

Google did'nt exist at the time that miss weatherford wrote the article. (Although I had disagreed with her years ago. I now understand and kinda agree with her)

And besides that the episode miss weatherford references still is on DVD and they did'nt take it out of rotation from there.

Gangaro was the thing that that Jessie and James had in the st.anne episode and the banned episode so I don't think that's it.
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Thing is, it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. 23,000 people dead, 10,000 more displaced, whole towns left in ruin & some litterally wiped off the map and a damaged nuclear plant that became crisis unto itself (one that's barely under control, let alone resolved) are WAAAAAAYYYYYY more important that a cartoon based on a kids' video game taking a turn for the worse. How many little Pokefans do you think got all excited to see the preview for Part 1 only to die about 12 hours later? Kinda makes complaining about no Team Plasma rather petty & downright insenstive, don't it?

I agree with this so much. I mean compared to 2 missing episodes, If I was the Japanese kid that went through the Disaster and prob lost a few friends or family members, the last thing on my mind is 2 episodes of a anime.
 
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...then what they should've done was simple.

Japan is known for the frequent earthquakes - they should've known better what to include in the anime and what not to include, rather making a whole episode dedicated to something and then banning it. Wishcash didn't directly have to feature earthquakes. I don't know about Team Plasma, though... was all the building destruction necessary in the plot? They could've made a suspense/thriller episode without much damage to anything.

Thats what they should have done and re aired it at a later date.



Yes and no. For example i feel that pokemons "family frendly" enviroment has deteriorated a bit. a most notable example is elesa in Dawns flashback. Even though it hasnt been aired in my country yet, i would not consideer elesas attire to be very age approprieate for kids in the lower age group.

No i dont think that the dratini episode should have been banned because in america we have seen as little kids many other characters with guns such as Elmer fudd shooting and blasting other characters.
 
Even if it does bother me, I actually understand how they feel about removing things like this especially if it's a kid's show. If Pokemon was for teenagers and had a lot of action and actual drama that could sweep us off our feet, then yes I don't think the producers need to make it "sensitive". :)
 
And honestly the Porygon episode should've been dubbed and aired more. I know they have an edited version.
They dubbed it but they couldn't air it because of a worldwide ban by the Japan Gov.
 
I don't know about Team Plasma, though... was all the building destruction necessary in the plot? They could've made a suspense/thriller episode without much damage to anything.

I think the original problem was that they didn't want a major episode like that to air when so many people couldn't watch it, more than the content itself. I don't know why it hasn't aired since, maybe they just forgot. Again... EP040, AG101...
 
Even stranger is the fact that the seizures weren't even caused by Porygon...

Pikachu may have been the real offender there, not Porygon, but in the end it's a simple matter of association. Porygon's name was in the title, it was his starring episode, and the producers want to downplay all memory of the incident because they were so shocked and embarrassed by what happened (and as I've said, I don't blame them). Porygon and his evolutions aren't banned from the anime because the producers want to "punish" them, or because of any concerns that viewers might be made sick again if they appear - they just don't want to remind people of the connection between an episode of their show and hundreds of children being hospitalised back in the late 90s. Particularly since they have a reputation to maintain for providing family-friendly entertainment.

I don't really think that the general public even knows (or remembers) which episode caused the seizures though. Most non-fans just associate the seizures with "the Pokémon anime", not with Porygon or any other detail about the specific episode. So if the TV station did not want to risk reminding anyone of what happened, they should have stopped showing all episodes of Pokémon.
And in general, I don't think the public will even care if Porygon makes an appearance in a new episode. I mean, the people making the show and the TV companies airing the show have every right to decide, but I highly doubt that the public would be outraged and start a boycott over such a thing. It won't hurt their reputation in any significant way. It's not even news-worthy (unless they began re-airing the seizure episode)... the only people who will even know that Porygon is now appearing are people who actually watch the show.

Google did'nt exist at the time that miss weatherford wrote the article. (Although I had disagreed with her years ago. I now understand and kinda agree with her)
Google did exist then, but that's beside the point. Even if it didn't, there were tons of other search engines to use to research things. The problem is that the origins of Jynx aren't something that can be "researched". All six of those reasons are speculation and unless you're familiar with those cultures, it's highly unlikely that you'd ever draw the connection. But most adults in America are familiar with blackface, and Jynx does look kinda like that so I can see why someone would draw such a connection even though that's not at all what Jynx was supposed to be.

Also, was Kadabra banned? I know about the Uri Gellar lawsuit, but I always assumed he never made another appearance because he wasn't a very notable character outside of Generation I.
 
The Earthquake episode featuring Whiscash, it was a filler anyway, and the move Earthquake isn't as badass in the anime as it is in the games. Why complain about it? Don't we dislike endless and pointless fillers anyway?

How do we know this was an "endless and pointless" filler? Not saying they should just air it, even now, but I disagree with the whole "it wasn't worthwhile" thing, for my opinion, if we didn't see the whole thing.

I don't know about Team Plasma, though... was all the building destruction necessary in the plot? They could've made a suspense/thriller episode without much damage to anything.

Maybe it was necessary, or maybe it was for effect. They didn't see this huge earthquake and tsunami coming. Considering they already banned an Earthquake-themed episode, I don't think they intended to have too important of an earthquake-like thing in the Plasma eps. (That's why, even though the Plasma episodes did get skipped over, I don't think the upcoming Rocket arc will be intense enough that, if there's a big earthquake, they'd ban it. Then again, I didn't see the preview, but I don't see why they wouldn't think of the Plasma eps when they made this one, so I still think this is a good stand to make.)

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I think the original problem was that they didn't want a major episode like that to air when so many people couldn't watch it, more than the content itself.

I'm sure it was more of the latter- they still haven't aired it or put it legally on their website or anything like that and all, and I'm sure by now they would've done so.

I don't know why it hasn't aired since, maybe they just forgot. Again... EP040, AG101...

They're doing... whatever with those episodes, but those episodes were too significant for them to forget- they were special to begin with, and they were tied with a big natural disaster. Whatever they're doing with them, it's not completely out of their mind.

"EP040" just looks like a New Year's special to me. According to Bulbapedia, it would've been an hour long and aired on a different night than the usual Tuesdays. Its title was two "sentences" rather then the one a lot of the titles had at the time. AG101... The Barboach episode... I assume they banned it without postponing it, and they moved on (which is why it wasn't on DVD).

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They dubbed it but they couldn't air it because of a worldwide ban by the Japan Gov.

What Dogasu said about it in the "Does an English Version Exist?" section on this page is how I feel about it.
 
These decisions are business decisions, and have to be viewed in that light.

Pokemon is a big multimedia franchise, and this franchise perpetuates because it makes money. Anything that gets in the way of that is going to be avoided.
A show that offends its viewers - or their parents - will lose advertising, and thus money. A show that is even rumored to be dangerous will bring down the parental veto, and that will likely also extend to its associated merchandise. The makers of Pokemon are sensible people. They're not going to put something out there that might trigger a scandal, lose them money, and limit their ability to continue the franchise. An episode being cut now and again for sensitivity reasons is a drop in the ocean in the long run. A scandal erupting because of an episode that aired despite these concerns could permanently damage the franchise.

As fans, of course we're curious about episodes that didn't air. Would I like to see that Plasma two-parter? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean I believe they were wrong to drop it. Airing it would have been foolish, and I think they made the right choice.
 
And about the Team Plasma vs Team Rocket two-parter...

If they couldn't air it directly on TV, then they could've included it as a special bonus episode direct-to-DVD, including an explanation on why they did not air it on TV after so many months since the scheduled date. Then, only those who want to watch it would rent the DVD, without having to go through broadcasting problems. The Porygon episode caused too much of a traumatic experience so I can see why nobody would get to see it, but the Team Plasma episode wasn't the cause of anything - thus, it has no reason to hide beneath all surfaces, never to see daylight.
 
And about the Team Plasma vs Team Rocket two-parter...

If they couldn't air it directly on TV, then they could've included it as a special bonus episode direct-to-DVD, including an explanation on why they did not air it on TV after so many months since the scheduled date. Then, only those who want to watch it would rent the DVD, without having to go through broadcasting problems. The Porygon episode caused too much of a traumatic experience so I can see why nobody would get to see it, but the Team Plasma episode wasn't the cause of anything - thus, it has no reason to hide beneath all surfaces, never to see daylight.

That won't work. Releasing it on DVD (even as an "optional special") would still associate that content with the series.
Here's an analogy... suppose Disney starts selling porn DVDs as a side business. Even if they don't label them as mainstream "Disney" products, people will still associate the porn with Disney. And all the people who care about the "family-friendly" nature of Disney would stop buying their products.

However, if they did choose to release those episodes as a special despite it possibly offending people, I see no reason not to also release the Porygon episode. The seizure problem can easily be fixed... all that remains is the problem of possibly offending some people.
 
Airing "The Rocket-Dan vs. The Plasma-Dan" now would be seen as them saying "hey, we skipped this episode due to 3/11, but everything's all better now so we're airing it now." I know quite a few people who would be very offended at them even suggesting such a thing.
 
Also, was Kadabra banned? I know about the Uri Gellar lawsuit, but I always assumed he never made another appearance because he wasn't a very notable character outside of Generation I.

Just like the issue with Porygon were anime-related, the issue with Kadabra was primarily about the card game. Kadabra has never been featured in the cad game ever since, so the only way to play any of the recent Alakazam cards in modified is to Rare Candy-evolve an Abra.
While Kadabra hasn't had any major roles in the anime since (and it's possible the writers would prefer to stay on the safe side and not give it any), it HAS had some minor appearances, and doesn't seem to be "banned".

"EP040" just looks like a New Year's special to me.

It is. That entire article is full of idiotic misinformation and shouldn't exist in the first place. It's not like they have articles on similar specials that DID air.
 
And about the Team Plasma vs Team Rocket two-parter...

If they couldn't air it directly on TV, then they could've included it as a special bonus episode direct-to-DVD, including an explanation on why they did not air it on TV after so many months since the scheduled date. Then, only those who want to watch it would rent the DVD, without having to go through broadcasting problems. The Porygon episode caused too much of a traumatic experience so I can see why nobody would get to see it, but the Team Plasma episode wasn't the cause of anything - thus, it has no reason to hide beneath all surfaces, never to see daylight.

Even upon them releasing it, I don't see them explaining why they delayed it. If they feel enough time's passed to release it, I don't see them wanting to remind people of that incident this way.

However, if they did choose to release those episodes as a special despite it possibly offending people, I see no reason not to also release the Porygon episode. The seizure problem can easily be fixed... all that remains is the problem of possibly offending some people.

By "easily be fixed", do you mean take out/replace the seizure causing strobe lights? If you do, they've had nearly fifteen years to do so, which means that for them changing that around isn't a simple enough problem to solve.

That possibility of possibly offending people gets higher when you factor in how big it would be that this episode is officially being released.
 
Just like the issue with Porygon were anime-related, the issue with Kadabra was primarily about the card game. Kadabra has never been featured in the cad game ever since, so the only way to play any of the recent Alakazam cards in modified is to Rare Candy-evolve an Abra.
While Kadabra hasn't had any major roles in the anime since (and it's possible the writers would prefer to stay on the safe side and not give it any), it HAS had some minor appearances, and doesn't seem to be "banned".
What was the problem with Kadabra? Was it the Uri Gellar lawsuit? Or something else? I did hear that some people associated Kadabra with Satanism, but I don't see that as a very likely reason for banning it.

By "easily be fixed", do you mean take out/replace the seizure causing strobe lights? If you do, they've had nearly fifteen years to do so, which means that for them changing that around isn't a simple enough problem to solve.

That possibility of possibly offending people gets higher when you factor in how big it would be that this episode is officially being released.
They didn't fix it in 15 years because of the second reason -- they can't air the episode because they'll offend people. Fixing it is pointless if they won't be able to air the epiosde anyway... it's not a matter of them not being able to but a matter of them not having a reason to.
But fixing it would be easy. If they slow down the speed and make the colors less intense, it won't cause seizures. if that won't work for whatever reason, then digitally paint over it with a new (non-strobing) explosion effect (like how they are able to digitally paint over certain "inappropriate" outfits, Japanese text, other things, etc.). It was only like 10 seconds long... if they wanted to they could redraw the entire scene completely and match up the style to the old art style. They have made hundreds of episodes over the course of 15 years... making a 10-second long clip to swap in would be practically no work at all.
 
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