Is this a good baton pass team?

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*I edited this because people seem to not being reading the whole thread. Not that it's a bad thing it just seems to be how things work around here.

Hey this is my first time posting..I'm not entirely sure if I'm posting in the right place but it seemed most appropriate.
I made a Baton Pass team, is there anything wrong with it or something to consider or a way to improve it?
It includes

Ninjask
-Substitute -Swords dance -Baton Pass -X-Scissor
EV's: split between HP and Special Defense
Held Item: leftovers
Nature: Bold

Scyther
-Agility -Baton Pass -Substitute -Aerial Ace
EV's: Split between Speed and Special Defense
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Bold

Smeargle
-Ingrain -Spider Web -Baton Pass -Spore
EV's: Speed and HP
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Timid

Vaporeon
-Baton Pass -Acid Armor -Wish -Surf
EV's: Speed Special Defence
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Timid

Metagross
-Zen Headbutt -Earthquake -Thunder Punch -Ice Punch
EV's:Attack and Speed
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Jolly

Snorlax
-Yawn -Sleep Talk -Rest -Body Slam
EV's: None
Held Item: Leftovers
Nature: Naughty

Also I know Snorlax is not the best choice but I muuuust include one, it's attack is pretty high, feel free to suggest different moves for it though.
 
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Nah, this isn't the right place to post this. Is this an in-game team or a metagame team? I need to know so I know where to move it to.
 
It's for playing against friends. I dunno what they'll be using, I might possibly want to play in tournaments later, but I know it's quite obviously a baton pass team because Ninjsk is my lead.
 
Is this an in-game team? If not then post EVs, natures, and held items. Also if this IS a competitive team I suggest you put ninjask up front to avoid stealth rock damage and maybe replace x-scissor with protect so you can alternate between substitute and protect for a tough to beat stall.
 
So for Vaporeon I'm thinking the EV's will go into speed and special defense. It could hold salac berry. It would have a timid nature.

For Scyther I'm think the EV's could go into speed and special defence. He could also have salac berry. Have a Bold nature.

With Smeargle I'm mostly afraid of it dying...so I'm thinking the EV's should be Speed and HP. It could hold a salac berry. I think Timid would a a good nature.

Ninjask the EV's could go into HP and Special defense. Would hold leftovers. I think the nature would be Bold.

Sooo that leaves the receiver Metagross. I'd put the EV's in attack and speed. Then I'd give it a salac berry. (I'm not sure how rare salac berries are but they seem awesome. correct me if I'm wrong about this..) I think it would work well with a Jolly nature.

Then there's my beloved Snorlax. Which has been trained while playing the game so doesn't have an specific EV's..it's holding leftovers and has a Naughty nature.

Yeah I know the Snorlax is a stupid idea...
Thanks for any help I get.
 
Lucario is better than snorlax, It would be nice if you put the evs in the first post. Snorlax's speed is beyond helpable. here is a nice guide, If you havent read it, for helpers.
 
My friends and I have agreed to use no legendary pokemon. So can't use lucario, although maybe I'll pick it up for when I'm not fighting them. Snorlax is on my team simply because he's my favorite, I'll probably keep a backup for if I ever enter a tornument or something, but I feel like a sell out if I can't include my favorite pokemon. Plus I hate metagross. Great pokemon, but don't really want it...cause it's ugly...It's the best choice I thought for the team though.
Also thanks for the link to the guide, but it's actually what I used as a guideline for making the team. It is a great guide though.
 
Ummm, Lucario isn't a legendary pokemon. It can breed, and evolves from something. see here. As for recievers, I run a fairly sucsessful "baton pass" team (or at least, a lead ninjask, 4 sweepers, and a rapid spinner), So my advice is:
Ninjask should lead. Less SR damage.
If ninjask leads, you shouldn't need scyther, replace it with rock polish+ swords dance gliscor
I will say it again, Snorlax, even with a speed bosst, is way too slow. If you want to use snorlax so badly, get rid of all speed passer and add a curse passer, or, make a trickroom team, or a normal team with curse-lax.
You need a taunt user or 2, else be setup bait or taunt bait.

recivers include:
gross
heracross
machamp
mamoswine
Tyranitar
Honchcrow
Blaziken (better than infernape with higher attack stat and resolved speed after BP)
 
Replace Aerial Ace with Swords Dance. Always do a substitute first because in a Double battle, Everyone will be aiming at Ninjask, but just in case. Swords Dance, and if your substitue withstands another turn, do an Agility, but otherwise just BP on you third turn. (Or vice versa, Agility comes first ect...)
 
That team doesn't make any fucking sense.

Also where are the EVs, held items, natures, what your team's goal is, etc.
 
coolking49 said:
Ummm, Lucario isn't a legendary pokemon. It can breed, and evolves from something. see here. As for recievers, I run a fairly sucsessful "baton pass" team (or at least, a lead ninjask, 4 sweepers, and a rapid spinner), So my advice is:
Ninjask should lead. Less SR damage.
If ninjask leads, you shouldn't need scyther, replace it with rock polish+ swords dance gliscor
I will say it again, Snorlax, even with a speed bosst, is way too slow. If you want to use snorlax so badly, get rid of all speed passer and add a curse passer, or, make a trickroom team, or a normal team with curse-lax.
You need a taunt user or 2, else be setup bait or taunt bait.

recivers include:
gross
heracross
machamp
mamoswine
Tyranitar
Honchcrow
Blaziken (better than infernape with higher attack stat and resolved speed after BP)
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I don't have 4 sweeper a lead and a receiver because it's very unfortunate if the chain gets broken. So 5 of my pokemon are in the chain. Snorlax is for back up. It will probably never be passed to unless there's some reason it should be. So I dunno if I really need a curse-lax but thanks for the suggestions. What I'm wondering now after reading your post is if the moves that amp the pokemon up I chose work well for Metagross? I didn't pick things that raise special attack just physical then added in some other things. Is this too random a way to plan? Should I be more calculated? I'm not sure how to if I should, any suggestions?
Also Ninjsk is my lead I just didn't put him first on this list. That's my fault. The not needing scyther advice is very helpful, thanks. Does Ninjask pass on a some sort of speed boost with baton pass that I didn't know about? Or is aglity just not as important as having another sword dance and getting a rock polish too more important? It does sound like a better deal.
Also about what you said with taunt. One of my pokemon on the list has it. Is that not enough?
 
Spiny said:
Replace Aerial Ace with Swords Dance. Always do a substitute first because in a Double battle, Everyone will be aiming at Ninjask, but just in case. Swords Dance, and if your substitue withstands another turn, do an Agility, but otherwise just BP on you third turn. (Or vice versa, Agility comes first ect...)
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I'm not sure if it's a good idea to replace Aerial Ace with Swords Dance. It would have to offensive moves if I got into trouble.
Thanks for the advice about aglity though.
 
ιɴsσмиιαc said:
That team doesn't make any fucking sense.

Also where are the EVs, held items, natures, what your team's goal is, etc.
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Sooo yeah, there's kinda no need to be a jerk. The EV's, Natures, and Held Items you would of saw if you scrolled down. I understand that's not how things work around here now, but this was my first post ever, it's been edited. My team is a baton pass team..it says it in the title. The goal seemed obvious so I didn't write it down. The pokemon with baton pass amp up Metagross. Snorlax is for backup even though I know there are better options for a backup.
 
CaptainKickas said:
Sooo yeah, there's kinda no need to be a jerk. The EV's, Natures, and Held Items you would of saw if you scrolled down.
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It's called editing.

My team is a baton pass team..it says it in the title. The goal seemed obvious so I didn't write it down. The pokemon with baton pass amp up Metagross. Snorlax is for backup even though I know there are better options for a backup.
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No what is really obvious and needs no explanation is for example a team full of Pokemon that only explode. You should have read the rules which do tell you how to post properly and it let's us, the people that are trying to help you, understand your team so we know what you're doing and maybe we can help you if you're making a mistake.

This isn't rocket science.

Anyways I suggest Smeargle goes first, to Spore+Trap then pass it off to whatever. Idk why you have a Scyther when a Scizor is bulkier and does the same things. Also for Snorlax replace it and put in like...a Celebi or Jirachi...something with more coverage..I mean if Metagross goes down you're pretty much fucked if the enemy has a Rotom or a Gengar. Also you can put Aqua Ring on Vaporeon somewhere, as your Pokemon will have Aqua Ring+Ingrain and if you can put in a Leech Seed Celebi that would be another healing move...and yeah nothing on your team at all boosts SpDef which is important with things like Heatran and Latias running around.
 
CaptainKickas said:
*I edited this because people seem to not being reading the whole thread. Not that it's a bad thing it just seems to be how things work around here.

Hey this is my first time posting..I'm not entirely sure if I'm posting in the right place but it seemed most appropriate.
I made a Baton Pass team, is there anything wrong with it or something to consider or a way to improve it?
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I'm no expert on Baton Pass teams, but I'll have a look. There are some pretty glaring things straight away...

Ninjask
-Substitute -Swords dance -Baton Pass -X-Scissor
EV's: split between HP and Special Defense
Held Item: leftovers
Nature: Bold
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Typical lead Ninjask judging by the moveset. Ninjask's ability, Speed Boost, means that it automatically gets +1 speed every turn. (You seemed not to realise this.) Ninjask can almost always pass speed on to the next recipient, unless it gets Encored/Roared/Whirlwinded. If you're lucky, you can also pass on a Swords Dance and/or a Substitute. Bold is a poor choice of Nature, reducing the effectiveness of your X-Scissor; I'd change it to Jolly (more speed, less Sp. Att.). You also want to ensure that Ninjask has enough speed to get its first Substitute in before they attack; Smogon suggests 80 speed EVs with the Jolly nature. As to the rest, you want to decide whther to increase the power of X-Scissor (in which case, max attack EVs) or increase Ninjask's bulkiness. Prioriry moves that hit before you Substitute are probably more dangerous, and they're mostly physical, so Defence and HP are probably better investments for EVs than Sp. Def.

Scyther
-Agility -Baton Pass -Substitute -Aerial Ace
EV's: Split between Speed and Special Defense
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Bold
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Okay, Salac Berry is entirely unnecessary with Agility and Ninjask's Speed Boosts. Probably change to Leftovers. And Agility is totally unnecessry with Ninjask's Speed Boosts. Also, Scyther is pretty much outclassed by Scizor. If you change this to a Scizor, I'd then suggest using it for either Attack boosts (with Swords Dance) or defence boosts (with Iron Defence). You might want to consider Roost, and maybe changing the attack to Bullet Punch or Bug Bite.

Smeargle
-Ingrain -Spider Web -Baton Pass -Spore
EV's: Speed and HP
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Timid
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Again, why Salac berry? You should already be getting speed from Ninjask. Well, maybe as a last ditch attempt after Ninjask is dead, but still... Leftovers is probably better. Seems decent enough otherwise.

Vaporeon
-Baton Pass -Acid Armor -Wish -Surf
EV's: Speed Special Defence
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Timid
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Again, try Leftovers instead. If you do go for Iron Defence on Scizor Acid Armour would be redundant, so you could use Substitute.

Metagross
-Zen Headbutt -Earthquake -Thunder Punch -Ice Punch
EV's:Attack and Speed
Held Item: Salac Berry
Nature: Jolly
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No Salac Berry. Bad Salac Berry. You don't even have Substitute here to activate it. You probably want Life Orb.

Snorlax
-Yawn -Sleep Talk -Rest -Body Slam
EV's: None
Held Item: Leftovers
Nature: Naughty

Also I know Snorlax is not the best choice but I muuuust include one, it's attack is pretty high, feel free to suggest different moves for it though.
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Well, if you really want one...

Hm, overall a baton pass team has to overcome several problems: Pokémon with Roar and Whirlwind (in this case, you have Ingrain with Smeargle), Pokémon with Taunt, Pokémon which can do surprising things like Explode suddenly and get rid of a chain member... Make sure you bear in mind how you can deal with any potential problems. For instance, what do you do if you start off with Ninjask against a Swampert that you expect can Roar and Stealth Rock? What do you do if an enemy Tricks a choice item onto your Pokémon? What do you do if they use Taunt?
 
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