Israel/Palestine thing on Facebook

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I wasn't sure whether to put this here, the Soap Box, or regular misc. Move it if you think, it's not in Misc cause the subject is too real-world-ish, but I saw too many middle east topics in Soap Box (but I'm not sure if this forum is restricted to subjects with articles, because I don't have one, but it'll most likely get moved to SB).


Anyway, I'd imagine we got a fair share of facebookers on here, but as you all know how there's a network for every country. I'm not sure though if anyone noticed the two huge groups on there saying "Palestine is not a country! De-list it from facebook" and same one for Israel. Then, there are the two other groups each saying "delete 'Palestine is not a country' group" and vice versa for Israel.

In the end, I think the only thing that ended up being accomplished was getting the "Palestine is not a country" group deleted (the other one might have been, but not last time I checked). They have not yet gone as far as removing either network.


So... um... discuss and stuff. BTW please don't turn this into a political debate we already have another thread for that, try staying on this specific topic.


I'm gonna be honest even though I might sound biased, but I think both groups are stupid.
But I don't think the "Palestine" network has any reason to be there, I don't see that country in any atlas of mine. And I was into geography at one point and collected about 50 atlases, don't see any Palestine in any of them. :)
Zimbabwe was once called Rhodesia, I don't see any Rhodesia network. Just like no atlas would list "Constantinople" as a city.
Still, it's not like that Network is doing any harm. However, some of you, even unbiased, have to admit that the "Israel is not a country: delist it" group makes no sense at all, it's just a weak attempt at retaliation by copying the other group and stating something which isn't even fact, just wishful thinking and fantasy. Um, hello, check your atlases people, right now Israel is a country, cry about it. IMO they should have just made the petition group to delete the "Palestine is not a country" group, and then they wouldn't look as stupid.

I personally find all the groups stupid, except the one saying "Israel is not a country" is far below any of them and just pathetic copycat tactless retaliation. It's like on the playground responding to every insult from a bully with "no, you are" or "I know you are but what am I". Even those of you from here who are anti-Israel cannot deny that.
 
Why not make a pseudo-country listing for Palestine? Since, technically, it's not a country, it's more of a group of bedraggled and constantly screwed-with people. Like the gypsies.
 
Misty said:
I don't use Facebook, but is there a group for, say, Puerto Rico?
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There sure is, and if not, there's even one for San Juan directly. It's a place in the world, and they're not gonna have a huge network for just America. If they have networks for regions in states, there is surely Puerto Rico.
 
Misty said:
if there is one for Puerto Rico then I see no reason not to have one for Palestine lol
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Puerto Rico is an actual place, that appears on maps. Palestine is not. How exactly do the two compare?

I don't know how they even compare... Puerto Rico may not be a country, but on facebook, regional networks aren't only divided by countries, they're also divided by cities sometimes, and specific areas, or regions such as states (US, Australia, and UK obviously have multiple networks), and Puerto Rico is certainly specific when asking about a place. It exists, unlike Palestine.

Also, Tahiti is not in individual country, it's part of French Polynesia which belongs to France, but there is a network for that.

I'm not talking about whether a country is independent, you don't have to be an independent country to have a regional network on facebook, you simply have to exist. I don't see any "Upper Volta" network, or "Czechoslovakia" network, or any North/South Vietnam or East/West Germany (even though technically the last two examples are still actual areas only given name by direction they still exist as places, but no one cares about the border). Why? Because none of those exist anymore. And Korea is divided into two networks, why? Because they're two countries, duh.

So unless the island of Puerto Rico underwent a name change I'm unaware of or something (which is possible considering how much I follow these days), I don't get your point.


Again though, in response to GrnMarvl, I personally don't care if that Palestine network exists or not, I just find it pathetic and wrong on so many levels for any outsider to be comparing the existence of the Israel network to that of Palestine. I don't care if they think the country itself shouldn't exist (well, actually I do but that's not the point), but right now Israel is a country and facebook's not gonna lie about that, especially if they expect the Palestine network to not be removed in which case they're living in a fantasy world.

Look at it this way. As much as Palestinians hate Israel, what region are they living in? If they live in an area that's part of Israel, they would be in that network (though they'd probably hate that, though it technically is they're location, so they'd have to suck it up, which is probably why that network even exists which I'm fine with), or if they live in a surrounding Arab country then join that one.
Now imagine, now, Israelis in a network called "Palestine". Yeah, that's what I thought.
These networks are based on your location. L-O-C-A-T-I-O-N. Not nationality.
 
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Just to test your claim, I went on Google and looked up a few world maps. Many show Palestine as a distinct territory, with borders between it and Israel. On the other hand, many of them did not actually call it "Palestine". I guess you can judge that one way or another.

One might also note that Palestine has its own Internet TLD.
 
Misty said:
Just to test your claim, I went on Google and looked up a few world maps. Many show Palestine as a distinct territory, with borders between it and Israel. On the other hand, many of them did not actually call it "Palestine". I guess you can judge that one way or another.

One might also note that Palestine has its own Internet TLD.
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Fair enough. I still have yet to find it in an Atlas, though.

Were these maps up to date though? As in, one Vietnam, one Germany, two Koreas, etc.?
 
So there should be a West Bank group and a Gaza Strip group.

Wow, that was simple.

The don't do any other group by heritage, which is basically what the Palestinians are arguing. People aren't in "London" groups if their family hails from there but are living, say, in America.
 
evkl said:
So there should be a West Bank group and a Gaza Strip group.

Wow, that was simple.

The don't do any other group by heritage, which is basically what the Palestinians are arguing. People aren't in "London" groups if their family hails from there but are living, say, in America.
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:rolleyes:

You know, I'd argue against this, but frankly, given the abysymal quality of the posts and arguments you and Zak have made so far, which essentialy boils down to playing silly gits semantics, and the fact that I'd expect quality arguments from *you* at least...

I'm just going to assume the two of you are having some unspecified type of fun at the expanse of us all, in the trolling sort of genre.

EDIT : Zak having now clarified his point to me (That "Remove the Israel Network" is EVEN LESS legitimate than the already illegitimate "Remove the Palestine network"), I can see where he's coming from, and will withdraw my comments on his case.
 
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