Israeli invasion of Gaza

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I really don't like how they're bombing people in Gaza, but it is true that the Hammas is a terrorist organization. I don't really blame the people for running away into Egypt. Questions, comments, concerns?
 
I think soon, probably shortly after the first anti-Israel president in the US assumes office, Israel will vanish. Honestly I'm surprised the surrounding Arabs hasn't gotten rid of them yet, it's sure true they've gotten sick of them. It's just that the US is behind them so strongly. Honestly, Israel shouldn't have gone in the Middle East, it was just asking for trouble. We should have given them part of the US or something if we wanted them to have land and not piss many people off, instead of in the middle of the center of the Arab world. Of course I guess we couldn't expect that from the get go perfectly, though you'd think it would be obvious.
 
Yeah, I feel sorry for Israel, being in the middle of the Muslim world, with all the upheavals. The Jews have been picked on throughout the 3,000 years of their existence. I don't think that they should be bombing Gaza, though, because there are innocent people there. Did you see the video? I would've hid under my bed if that was going on outside my house.
 
I don't believe Israel will vanish. However, hopefully, they'll be forced to end their heavy handed tactics against their neighbors and the Palestinians. They have the right to exist as much as any other nation but they have to be neighborly.

And the Israelis don't seem to understand what they're up against. They bombing and preparing to invade to stop the rocket attacks. I've seen the rockets and their launchers and you could build them with stuff from Home Depot. No military action is going to stop them. However, Israeli diplomacy is an oxymoron.
 
Do you think President-Elect Obama will be OK with this when he takes office (if it's still going on)? They just said on CNN that there was going to be a "temporary truce."
 
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They're proposing a 48hr ceasefire. A spokesman said they were going to continue fight; more and more of Israel is getting involved. Israel is going to call 2500 more reserve troops.
 
I wish I could live somewhere else instead of in Israel. Then I would happily approve of both sides bombing the hell out of each other. Right now I just hate being in the middle of it all.

At least I'm in Jerusalem. They don't want to bomb Jerusalem because it's a holy city or whatever. The problem will be if they end up opening the gates in Gaza, or even if some Arabs in east Jerusalem will decide they've had enough. Then I'd have to swear off bus rides and general fun for a while, since they have no qualms about suicide bombing inside Jerusalem.

I hate my life.
 
That's interesting. Is it liek the 31st in Israel right now? It's convenient for me because this site uses my time (GMT-8/UTC-7 DST). Well if it is, happy new year's eve, even if you're not that happy right now!
 
What's happy about a New Year's Eve no one can celebrate? The Home Front Command does not allow gatherings of more than 100 people in any city or town within 40 kilometers of the Gaza Strip border.

Children who live within 20 kilometers of the border haven't even come back to school from their Chanukah vacation yet because of the bombings...

I know that bodies in the streets and destroyed buildings are much more photogenic, but I hate it that no one ever considers how WE feel about getting our asses bombed constantly.
 
It's too bad. Hopefully later today there's gonna be a ceasefire. The United States is backing Israel; Israel is the United States "vassal." I don't like the Hamas, but the innocent people of Gaza don't deserve to be bombed.
 
I don't think these poor people deserve to be bombed either, but I don't feel like we have any choice. These people may be innocent, but their government is nothing more than a nasty terrorist organization that cares more about attempting to destroy the neighboring country than taking care of the citizens. Unemployment in Gaza is at 95%, there's garbage and flies and sewage water in the streets, and the citizens should blame no one but Hamas.

I don't like the situation at all. But it was either sitting there and taking it and having more people die or fighting back and trying to force them to stop it. I'm not convinced it'll work, but we have to try.
 
People in the West Bank and Gaza--Israelis and Palestinians alike--need to find someone who represents their long-term well-being and best interest. Radical settlers and Hamas and Fatah alike are driving huge wedges between people who are otherwise probably quite willing to compromise.

Of course, that's much easier said than done.

Interestingly, it gets reported over here as "X Palestinians dead, Y civilians." In these cases, X >> Y. It's quite disingenuous, and doesn't present an accurate picture of what's going on.
 
I really don't want any civilians to die, even the Palestinians, because even if they have a terrorist government, they still deserve to live. Now the leaders of the Hamas, at least they're making an effort for a ceasefire. However, usually the things they do just make more problems, not solve them.
 
I'm certain a terrorist government wasn't what the Palestinians were aiming for. They wanted someone to take care of them, like any normal person would want of their government. Hamas used to give humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza in the past, and that's why they won the elections. That just makes the situation sadder, because Hamas doesn't care about the citizens at all now that they're in charge.
 
I blame this on Israelis blocking food and fuel from entering Gaza. If they weren't being starved, I doubt the Palestinians would be as prone to violence. So, if Israels went in with supply trucks instead of tanks, they could probably get farther.
 
I can't really blame anyone, because the Hamas is a terrorist group, but Israel shouldn't be attacking them just because. The Hamas never did anything bad to them (recently, at least), so why attack? I think both of them should just calm down. It sort of reminds me of some of the "disagreements" I've gotten in on the Internet. Both of us just keep throwing bombs at each other, and it's best to just both chill, and eventually some of use ended up becoming friends at the end. Although, I doubt the "friends" part will ever happen to Israel and Palestine.
 
Al, this is ridiculous. You want the Israeli government to just give up and do whatever Hamas wants? I repeat, they brought this on themselves. Israel withheld the food and gas AFTER Hamas' bombing of Israeli cities got out of hand. A government that works so hard to destroy a country should not expect to receive that country's help.

Hamas hasn't been doing much lately because we were on an official ceasefire which ended on Thursday. They broke the ceasefire long before it ended by bombing Sderot, and once the ceasefire ended the bombing increased.
 
OK, before evkl comes, I just want everyone to just chill. Right now in San Francisco (I live close to SF), there's a standoff between Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestine protesters. This is forming here. Either stay apart, or violence (or in this case evkl giving us ALL infractions, which I don't need more of) will come.
 
"I just want everyone to just chill"? Dude, this IS a calm and civil discussion. Nobody needs to chill.

I usually disagree with Israel's actions, but I've got to reluctantly side with them on that one. Hamas has been pelleting them with rockets for a while, and begging for this. At some point, the Israeli government *has* to take actions when people keep shooting at its citizens.

No, it won't solve the problem in the long term. But no government on the face of earth can be asked to *not* attempt to take immediate action against someone shooting at its citizens, that's irrational.

Now, in the past, Israel had tended to use demesurate action that wound up killing more civilians than anyone else. While there have been civilian victims this time around, they have tended to play it more carefully, and there are limits to how much you can spare civilians when dealing with an enemy who (effectively) use civilians as their meat shields, which Hamas does.

In this case, they will need to find an actual solution, because otherwise this will just happen again. But in the short-term, you can't ask a government to do nothing. (Besides which, even if they did, what would happen? The Israeli would elect a government more likely to take more action against Palestine, and we'd wind up with an even more violent operation against Gaza.
 
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