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Its interesting to note there are more main coordinators on the show than trainers

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Here's something I noticed, for what was once a new addition to the series, if you only count main rivals, there are more coordinators on the show than trainers:

- Ash = trainer
- Misty/Brock = Gym Leaders/trainers
- Tracey = Trainer/watcher
- James

Total: 5 characters, not counting Max since he didn't start his journey yet.

In terms of coordinators:

- May
- Dawn
- Jessie

Total: 3 characters. Notice how 3 of the 4 main girls were coordinators?

In terms of Ash's main rivals:

- Gary = trainer
- Paul = trainer
- Barry = trainer

Total = 3. I am not counting league rivals in this, just Ash's rivals throughout a region. Those league rivals are basically extended COTD's who disappear entirely afterward.

Coordinator rivals:

- Drew = coordinator
- Harley = coordinator
- Solidad = coordinator
- Zoey = coordinator
- Kenny = coordinator
- Nando = coordinator
- Ursula = coordinator

Total: 7 major coordinator rivals, again not counting all the one-shot coordinators just to be fair. Also not counting Robert, Dawn's mother, Marina, or other characters like that just to be fair since I'm not counting characters like Richie.


Total trainers in the show: 5 main characters + Ash's 3 main rivals = 8 characters.

Total coordinators in the show: 3 main characters + 7 rival coordinators = 10 characters.


There are actually more major characters in the show that are coordinators than trainers. Interesting how that happened. Contests have been in the anime for literally 8 seasons now, so it being part of the show for the majority of its run probably has something to do with it.

Its really odd how Contests are so minor in the games yet were made into such a big deal in the anime. The writers literally took a minor sidequest in the games and turned it into a huge thing in the anime where it has stayed for 8 years in a row.
 
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In terms of Ash's main rivals:

- Gary = trainer
- Paul = trainer
- Barry = trainer

Total = 3. I am not counting league rivals in this, just Ash's rivals throughout a region. Those league rivals are basically extended COTD's who disappear entirely afterward.

Coordinator rivals:

- Drew = coordinator
- Harley = coordinator
- Solidad = coordinator
- Zoey = coordinator
- Kenny = coordinator
- Nando = coordinator
- Ursula = coordinator

Total: 7 major coordinator rivals, again not counting all the one-shot coordinators just to be fair. Also not counting Robert, Dawn's mother, Marina, or other characters like that just to be fair since I'm not counting characters like Richie.
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Wait. Why would you count characters like Solidad, Nando and Ursula and not count Rivals like Richie and Harrison and Tyson and Morrison. Those were 'main rivals' just the same. They've all had the same amount of screen time. They got the same amount of time dedicated to them.

As a matter of fact, where are you going with this? Is this a big shocker somehow?
 
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Ursula and Nando are rivals throughout a region. They weren't COTD's for the leagues like Richie/Harrisson/Morrisson/Tyson.

Its the same reason I did not include Robert, but I included Solidad as she's still part of May's group as you can see during the cameos in the Wallace Cup, Solidad is still there.
 
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V Faction said:
Wait. Why would you count characters like Solidad, Nando and Ursula and not count Rivals like Richie and Harrison and Tyson and Morrison. Those were 'main rivals' just the same. They've all had the same amount of screen time. They got the same amount of time dedicated to them.
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Ritchie came back in Pokemon Chronicles and in Johto, so he's more than a COTD, same goes for Morrison who appear IIRC for the first time before May's first GF, so if Nando counts, so do these two...

If Tyson and Harrison don't count, neither does Solidad, she wasn't so far as mentionned before the GF and hasn't appeared since (save for a cameo)

As a matter of fact, where are you going with this? Is this a big shocker somehow?
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To the same place most of his threads are going... nowhere that is.
 
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Scott85 said:
A bunch of math that hurts my brain.
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And all those coordinators have been written out/will be written out as time goes along.

I don't get the point of this thread. It's just some interesting trivia that doesn't really mean anything.
 
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Duckgon Z said:
I don't get the point of this thread. It's just some interesting trivia that doesn't really mean anything.
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Its interesting to me for the following reasons:

- Contests were not included in either the FR/LG or HGSS games, yet were placed in Kanto and Johto in the anime anyway. We don't get to see any of the Johto contests, but we know they're there as May is doing them.

- Since Emerald, Contests have only been given one Contest hall in the games, same with DP/Platinum. If you recall way back in Ruby/Sapphire, there were actually several Contests in each town based on each rank like cool/tough/beauty etc.

- Pokeathlon essentially has Contests role in HGSS, yet in the anime it got 1 measly episode.


So what is interesting to me, is how Contests were such a big deal in the anime while it seems like the games are casting them to the sidelines.
 
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Scott85 said:
So what is interesting to me, is how Contests were such a big deal in the anime while it seems like the games are casting them to the sidelines.
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How are they "sidelined" exactly? Just because there's one Contest Hall? Seriously?...
DPt made a big deal of Contests much more than RSE ever did... a lot of characters mention Contests, just as you get to Hearthome you see Keira, a few steps after meeting Keira a man takes you to the Contest Hall, as you enter the Contest Hall you meet your mom, there's Fantina of course...

So no, Contests aren't "sidelined" in the games
FRLG and HGSS didn't include them probably as either trying to stick to the original, which Contest didn't exist back then, or just trying something new (Pokéathlon) since we already have Contests in 3 of the 5 main games this gen

They were made important for the anime because they wanted a big plot like Gyms to use with the girl star to appeal more to girls
The games also use Contests to appeal to girls (even if they're less important) especially in DPt: see all the hearts, dance, dress up, cute accessories, you even have a PINK HEART FASHION CASE

It's obvious Contests are a way for them to appeal more to girls and we knew that years ago, you know that yourself too
You really need to stop with these ridiculous threads... yes, we know Contests are about as important as Gyms in the anime, we know they exist to appeal more to girls, there's nothing more to say

Scott, you really need to relax and enjoy the show... stop thinking too much... counting characters @_@"
 
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Gible said:
Ritchie came back in Pokemon Chronicles and in Johto, so he's more than a COTD, same goes for Morrison who appear IIRC for the first time before May's first GF, so if Nando counts, so do these two...

If Tyson and Harrison don't count, neither does Solidad, she wasn't so far as mentionned before the GF and hasn't appeared since (save for a cameo)
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Right, that's it exactly.

Richie not only got his Kanto League time, but returned for the Lugia filler in Johto, AND managed to sneak a special in there.

Solidad was never featured before in an earlier spot. Harrison, Morrison, and Tyson were. Exactly why is one character getting more claim to fame than others?

If you want to get down to the nitty-gritty, there's a few more 'regular trainers' on the playing court than coordinator. But whether Trainer, Coordinator, Breeder, Watcher, Stalker, Sitter, Dopey, Happy, Sleepy, Doc... They're just characters. There's no value in them, whether it's one or one-thousand.
 
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Rivals =/= Main Characters
 
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Gym leaders should be counted as trainers, IMO.
 
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Scott85 said:
Richie/Harrisson/Morrisson/Tyson.
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Ritchie's been in more episodes than Solidad, and had a speaking part in all of them. He may not have been Ash's rival throughout all of it, but he was still a trainer.

Morrison was introduced before the league, barely.
 
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V Faction said:
Richie not only got his Kanto League time, but returned for the Lugia filler in Johto, AND managed to sneak a special in there.
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Richie was never one of Ash's major rivals after Indigo. This is why we didn't see him in the Johto league despite being in those Lugia eps. And nowadays he's pretty much dead.

Solidad was never featured before in an earlier spot. Harrison, Morrison, and Tyson were. Exactly why is one character getting more claim to fame than others?
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With the exception of Morrisson, who was only shown like...5 eps before, Harrisson/Tyson were shown in the first league ep. Solidad stuck with May, she did not fade into obscurity.

If you want to get down to the nitty-gritty, there's a few more 'regular trainers' on the playing court than coordinator. But whether Trainer, Coordinator, Breeder, Watcher, Stalker, Sitter, Dopey, Happy, Sleepy, Doc... They're just characters. There's no value in them, whether it's one or one-thousand.
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If we count every single character ever in the show, of course there are more trainers. I am simply counting major characters and rivals.
 
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My definition of "rival" is a recurring character that appears at least two/three times in a region, has the same goal as the main character and eventually appears in the final big tournament too (League/GF)
So by my meaning of "rival" the only true rivals are: Gary, Drew, Harley, Paul, Nando, Zoey, Kenny, Barry, Conway, Ursula (and Jessie kind of a rival too, but she's a main character which is more important than a rival)
I'm not sure about Solidad since as far as what we got to see on screen, she was pretty much a one shot character (with a few seconds cameos later in Wallace Cup) so I wouldn't really count her when discussing real recurring rivals, but I will mention her if we're talking about May's current rivals since we know she's there in Johto with Drew and Harley
 
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Scott85 said:
If we count every single character ever in the show, of course there are more trainers. I am simply counting major characters and rivals.
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You count those you want to count and disregard those you want to disregard, in other words.
 
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V Faction said:
You count those you want to count and disregard those you want to disregard, in other words.
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And we're surprised because ???

For of all, he didn't even include Nando as a trainer, just counted him as a coordinator... Also, Casey was a rival and appeared in pokemon chronicles (same as Ritchie for that matter) so yeah...
 
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Don't forget Conway and Casey. Both are recurring trainers with more appearances than some of the coordinators, and both have made appearances in episode openings. The only reason we have a lot of coordinators is becuse we don't have Gym Leaders and they need to keep each contest several reccuring coordinators.
 
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For the record I count Nando more as a coordinator because we saw him in a contest, yet we never saw him in a Gym battle yet. He also always felt more like Dawn's rival to me than Ash's for some reason.

Also, Casey did seem like a rival at first but the writers failed with her so I don't count her.
 
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We know Nando at least had a battle with Gardenia and saw some quick scenes of it... also Scott, did you get my last PM?
 
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