"It's OK For Guys To Hit Girls In Anime?"

[Steven]

The latest episode of Haruhi Suzumiya was quite surprising & intense. The drama culminated with Kyon physically attempting to PUNCH Haruhi. Now I had a problem with this scene for three different reasons.

The first has to do with character portrayal in this second season of the anime. Since when is it in Kyon's personality to do something like that? something so extreme & so wrong? Adding to that, why has Haruhi turned from a tsundere personality in season 1, to a major bitch in season 2? She was really going too far with her treatment of others, especially Mikuru. Viewing the episode as a whole & seeing the big picture, their fight was necessary to show that Haruhi can truly be affected by Kyon's behavior. She may act like she doesn't care about anyone but herself, but Kyon's anger towards her really got to her (& the small ponytail bit at the end speaks volumes too). But with all that in mind, it still felt too out of character to me on both ends. The original novel version of "the Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya" comes out in the US next month. I'll be eagerly waiting to read the book to find out if both Haruhi & Kyon acted that way in the original story, or if the anime exaggerated it.

Secondly, I shouldn't have to tell you how wrong it is for a guy to hit a girl. Just what the hell was Kyon thinking there? It wasn't like he was going slap her or anything (which while still wrong, is much more acceptable in the world of anime). He wanted to full out DECK her! Punch her, seemingly in the face. That's just messed up, regardless of how horrible she was being. Granted in his first attempt he just snapped, & was as shocked as anyone to see his hand in a fist. But when Haruhi continue to insult him after that, he kept trying to hit her! He felt horrible about it the next day, & blamed it on calcium deficiency, but still.

Lastly, I was surprised to see how many people online were saying things like "Man, I wish Kyon would've hit her" or "I'd loved it if Kyon had actually punched her." For god's sakes, people. It's one thing to have an animated character attempting to punch a girl. But for so many real life people to actually believe he was in the right well, I find that disturbing. No matter how you look at it, that just isn't right.

I personally couldn't care for Suzumiya's emotions, but I thought this may've been a nice topic to bring up. Is it okay for men in anime to hurt woman?

Personally, it depends on the situation with which I choose my side. Like here, apparently the character was being rather bitchy, to the point of major annoyance. Of course, what was being bitched about would help justify why a "slap" was necessary. If the person was acting overly stuck up, it may've constituted force, that is to say if a nice tell off was unsuccessful, but only if the person was being shallow enough to overcome it by saying something that would be qualified for such a reputation.

If the person was complaining or saddened by something, then a work-through would've been the most necessary. If the person was being hyperactively ecstatic about something, then a calm down is the most that would be necessary, unless you have a disorder that "gives you an excuse" for being so hyper (but also annoying), then forceful control would have to be used.

Also note, I haven't referenced just females. ALL PEOPLE have the stability to be forced upon if necessary, and to a certain point, so chivalry is humanely immoral. Women should be allowed to be hit as much as men should. However, in my experience, women tend to be tougher than men, which based on current social thinking, is ironic. Likewise with men, except in my experience, tend to run with tails between their legs while being under nothing.



*Also, as far as what forum this should be in, I'm sorry if it should be in a different one. I had a hard time deciding which room was better suited ton this ._. That said, do not come in here and complain about how this is in the wrong forum. Just wait for a moderator to move it! Speaking of whom, I would like mods to not post here saying they are moving it, since it is virtually bumping.

 

[Ho-oh]

If women want to be equal to men, they should be treated that way. If society doesn't allow women to be inferior, then they shouldn't be superior either. There's nothing wrong with Kyon punching Haruhi in this scenario.

Although personally, I'd never hit a woman: my traditional upbringing makes it immoral.

 

[Zynetic]

If women want to be equal to men, they should be treated that way. If society doesn't allow women to be inferior, then they shouldn't be superior either. There's nothing wrong with Kyon punching Haruhi in this scenario.

This, really.
Just because a person was born with a female set of chromosomes rather than male chromosomes doesn't make it that they cannot be forced upon by men.

Women = Men in terms of rights, IMO.

 

[Nicoleta01]

Watch Black Lagoon and you'll see a woman beating upon men. That being said, violence goes both ways, depending on the situation.

 

[Omotenium]

If women want to be equal to men, they should be treated that way. If society doesn't allow women to be inferior, then they shouldn't be superior either. There's nothing wrong with Kyon punching Haruhi in this scenario.

Although personally, I'd never hit a woman: my traditional upbringing makes it immoral.

That.

Although really it depends on the anime and if it's good writing or not. I can't speak for Haruhi because honestly, and I must be a super minority in this, she's way too ugly for me to watch.

 

[Steven]

That.

Although really it depends on the anime and if it's good writing or not. I can't speak for Haruhi because honestly, and I must be a super minority in this, she's way too ugly for me to watch.

You are understanding the deeper conversation, I hope?

I like what I'm hearing. But these cannot be said for scenarios like behind-the-school-building-@ 3:00 kind of situations, or rather, they shouldn't.

 

[Archaic]

Given the material you've chosen to start off this discussion, and your focus on anime, this forum is fine.

Having said that though, your starting point might not be the best, because this Nebs66 person really doesn't understand exactly what's going on here. This point in Sighs is a huge turning point for the characters. While it's being aired as part of "season 2", chronologically it's happening before a bunch of stuff from "season 1". Her personality hasn't changed between seasons. This is her personality as it originally was, and where it starts to change into what we're more familiar with from the first season.

As far as the idea of "is it okay for guys to hit girls in anime", it's probably easier to answer by saying that they're both equally wrong. It doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man. It's a silly question really. If you're going to look at everything from a sense of "relative wrongness", it might be more relatively wrong for a man to hit a woman in general, given that a man is generally going to be more physically fit, etc, etc, but if we apply that rule of thumb to this scenario...arguably Haruhi is stronger and more physically fit than Kyon anyway.

 

[Kasumi]

Violence is never good, it doesn't matter if it's on a woman or a man. However, there are people who make you want to punch them in the face, regardless of gender. :/


Haruhi would beat Kyon's ass any day.

 

[Steven]

Given the material you've chosen to start off this discussion, and your focus on anime, this forum is fine.

Having said that though, your starting point might not be the best, because this Nebs66 person really doesn't understand exactly what's going on here. This point in Sighs is a huge turning point for the characters. While it's being aired as part of "season 2", chronologically it's happening before a bunch of stuff from "season 1". Her personality hasn't changed between seasons. This is her personality as it originally was, and where it starts to change into what we're more familiar with from the first season.

As far as the idea of "is it okay for guys to hit girls in anime", it's probably easier to answer by saying that they're both equally wrong. It doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man. It's a silly question really. If you're going to look at everything from a sense of "relative wrongness", it might be more relatively wrong for a man to hit a woman in general, given that a man is generally going to be more physically fit, etc, etc, but if we apply that rule of thumb to this scenario...arguably Haruhi is stronger and more physically fit than Kyon anyway.

Nebs66 is one of the higher-ups on NebsTV, I'm assuming. She does seem to have misguided thoughts. I don't follow this anime, but I did think it was a controversial topic to bring up, in both regards to the real world and the ._. anime world.

I do agree with you in that violence should be the last resort, but I can't support you in that chivalry should exist. If I want to go so far with it, chivalry could be assumed to be rather insulting to women moreover than defensive. =/

Feminists that aren't hypocrites should agree with me that chivalry is insulting, seing as though they complain about women's rights issues and things related.

 

[Omotenium]

Real life? No. Anime? Artistic freedom. Simple as.

 

[Satoshi-chan]

Honestly, with Anime being completely fictional, I have no problem with anyone hitting anyone else. Also, generally, it seems that I have seen more girls hitting and slapping men in the anime that I've seen over the years, but I have seen both cases. While I do not agree with things like that from either side in the real world, I am not going to dictate what is right and what is wrong in a fictional world. Honestly, if I am not happy with a show, or offended by it, I just won't watch it.

I do agree with you in that violence should be the last resort, but I can't support you in that chivalry should exist. If I want to go so far with it, chivalry could be assumed to be rather insulting to women moreover than defensive.

You know... I do things like hold doors open for women... and I also do the same for men, I am pretty much a kind polite person IRL. If anyone feels insulted by the fact that I do things, and ignore the fact that I do it for both genders, I don't have time for them (mainly because insulting me after I show you a sign of respect if just poor form). If someone wants to make an issue of "oh, you're doing this for me, you're sexist," I'll be quick to bring up the fact that I'm not doing it because of a person's gender, and if someone still wants to press it with me, I'll just shrug and walk away thinking "apparently someone just wanted to start trouble."

So, to make it short, not all people who do something that is considered "chivalry" is actually doing it because of your sex. Also, where did you get "chivalry" from Archaic's post that you quoted anyway? He said "it's wrong for either sex to be hit," and while he said...

If you're going to look at everything from a sense of "relative wrongness", it might be more relatively wrong for a man to hit a woman in general, given that a man is generally going to be more physically fit, etc, etc, but if we apply that rule of thumb to this scenario...arguably Haruhi is stronger and more physically fit than Kyon anyway.

...I doubt he was serious about all men being more physically fit when he followed it with a statement about how the female in question was definitely stronger and physically fit than the male in question.

 

[Steven]

Honestly, with Anime being completely fictional, I have no problem with anyone hitting anyone else. Also, generally, it seems that I have seen more girls hitting and slapping men in the anime that I've seen over the years, but I have seen both cases. While I do not agree with things like that from either side in the real world, I am not going to dictate what is right and what is wrong in a fictional world. Honestly, if I am not happy with a show, or offended by it, I just won't watch it.

If it were shown in a place like America, for example, people such as parents would probably be outrageous.

 

[Omotenium]

You could say that for a lot of anime though. There's way worse stuff.

Even Pokemon has its banned episodes.

 

[Steven]

You could say that for a lot of anime though. There's way worse stuff.

Even Pokemon has its banned episodes.

Right, but if you haven't noticed, people in America flip over the smallest things.....

 

[Satoshi-chan]

If it were shown in a place like America, for example, people such as parents would probably be outrageous.

Yes, and would be edited out (to use pokemon as an example, there were times that the Japanese got to see Misty slapping Ash, whereas it was edited out in the US broadcast). Plus, we're not really talking kids shows anyway, if the anime in question was actually shown in America, it would be an Adult Swim type show, and considering the violence in some of the past shows that have taken that timeslot (Cowboy Bebop anyone?), I don't exactly see an issue here.

 

[Ethel]

Is it okay for people to die in anime? Is it okay to portray homosexual relationships in anime?
Get realistic, these things happen in real life; there would only be a problem if they were implying that it's okay to hit women.

 

[Dewgong Reign]

Of course not, it's okay for girls to hit guys in anime

Spoiler

 

[Steven]

Picture fail!

 

[Dewgong Reign]

I know, but it's directly from Archives...

ODD

 

[Luna Tiger]

Why not just ask if it's okay to hit girls in any media? An anime's portrayal of being struck isn't any different than a guy hitting a girl in a movie, TV show, etc. Unlike real life, the choice is made in the script and generally serves some amount of purpose, or the action wouldn't be used. The action, therefore, is controlled, and not driven by the spontaneous instincts to lash out by a real man against a real woman.

I find it all right, because it's not real, and wouldn't be there if it wasn't called upon by a writer who thought: "It should happen."

Censorship of it is another issue. Can't have the little kidlings mimicking "bad behavior", whut.