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From an article found here. Basically, because of very, very high levels of inbreeding, have Jews broken away slightly from the rest of the human race genetically--and thus, are they actually more intelligent, as quite a few will posit? It's not pretty science, because if it's true a lot of people are uncomfy, and if it's not true a lot more people will hate Jews. But it's interesting. Anyway, the article, by William Saletan
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Are Jews a race? Is Jewish intelligence genetic?

If these notions make you cringe, you're not alone. Many non-Jews find them offensive. Actually, scratch that. I have no idea whether non-Jews find them offensive. But I imagine that they do, which is why Jews like me wince at any suggestion of Jewish genetic superiority. We don't even want to talk about it.

Actually, a bunch of us did talk about it, three days ago at a forum at the American Enterprise Institute. The main speaker was Jon Entine, an AEI fellow and author of a new book, Abraham's Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People. He was joined by fellow AEI scholar Charles Murray and by Laurie Zoloth, a bioethicist at Northwestern University. Entine and Zoloth are Jewish. Murray isn't but talks as though he wishes he were. "One of my thesis advisers at MIT was a Sephardic Jew," he announced proudly, turning the old 'some of my best friends' cliché upside down.

Entine laid out the data. The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 107 to 115, well above the human average of 100. This gap and the genetic theories surrounding it stirred discomfort in the room. Zoloth, speaking for many liberals, recalled a family member's revulsion at the idea of a Jewish race. Judaism is about faith and values, she argued. To reduce it to biology is to make it exclusive, denying its openness to all. Worse, to suggest that Jews are genetically smart is to imply that non-Jews are inherently inferior, in violation of Jewish commitments to equality and compassion. My friend Dana Milbank, who's a better (if I may use that word) Jew than I am, watched the discussion, went back to his office, and wrote a column in the Washington Post poking fun at all the talk of superior Jewish intellect. The column, as usual, was really smart.

But what if Judaism as a genetic inheritance is compatible with Judaism as a cultural inheritance? And what if the genes that make Jews smart also make them sick? If one kind of superiority comes at the price of another kind of inferiority, and if the transmission of Jewish values drives the transmission of Jewish genes, does that make the genetics and the superiority easier to swallow?

Apparently so.

According to Entine, the rate of Jewish "outbreeding"—procreating with non-Jews—is half a percent. That's the lowest rate of any population in the world today. What drives this phenomenon? Culture. Ten years ago, my childless Orthodox uncle came up to me and said, "I hear you're dating a Jewish girl." When I replied in the affirmative, he added, "If you marry her, I'll come to the wedding." That was pretty much the whole conversation. A year and a half later, he was at my wedding. Today, he's got a grandniece and grandnephew living in my house. I'd like to think he had no influence, but maybe I'm kidding myself. Explicitly and implicitly, Jews have been getting this message for millennia. As Murray pointed out, the Bible is full of instructions to marry within the faith.

A culture that trains its young people to procreate only with each other becomes, over time, a genetically distinct population. And if that culture glorifies intelligence to such a degree that it drives less intelligent people out of the community—or prevents them from attracting mates—it becomes an IQ machine. Cultural selection replaces natural selection. For example, Jews have long emphasized male literacy. For this reason, Murray argued, anyone who was Jewish and stupid 2,000 years ago found "it was a lot easier to be a Christian." Entine called this kind of process a "bio-cultural feedback loop."

The theory still sounds arrogant, until you hear the IQ machine's possible costs. Some scholars now hypothesize that the genes that make Jews smart also give some of them nasty diseases such as Tay-Sachs. Entine finds this plausible. He pointed out that some genes associated with brain growth are also associated with breast cancer, including in his own family. During the question-and-answer session, someone brought up another tradeoff: Supposedly, Jews are deficient in visio-spatial skills, possibly because their brains allot extra space for verbal intelligence. That might explain the average Ashkenazi Jewish score of 122 on verbal IQ tests.

Pondering these nuances and tradeoffs, Zoloth reconsidered her aversion to the idea of Jewish genes and Jewish intelligence. What should we do, she wondered, if we find genes that predispose children both to genius and to early death? And should Jewish biological differences be minimized if they're expressions of—and vehicles for—Judaism as a value system?

Zoloth didn't have answers to those questions. Neither do I. Part of being Jewish, after all, is talking in questions more than answers. Whether that habit is cultural or biological, I don't know. But this much I can tell you: I walked out of the AEI conference room that day with a cut on my nose because, in an attempt to pick something up off the floor, I whacked my face on the chair in front of me. Probably I'm just a moron. But maybe visio-spatial deficiency really is a sign of intelligence, in which case, I'd like to thank my ancestors for making the trade. Including my uncle, who, come to think of it, may not be childless after all.
 
I call bullshit. Race my ass, everything can be attributed to the culture we've created over 5000 years. A culture that respects those who have studied the Torah and know it from beginning to end, backwards and upside down perfectly. A culture that has been turned paranoid and bitter by centuries of persecution and wants to prove that we're just as good as the Christians and Muslims, now that we have the chance. A culture that bred people who loathe everyone, including themselves, and feel like they still owe God something and will not get revived in the coming of the Messiah if they won't marry within the faith.

As an Israeli who is constantly surrounded by Jews, I can also tell you that most Jews are fucking stupid.
 
I lean toward Snake Bandage's view, Ev.

Besides which, intermarriage in the other faiths is a fairly recent phenomenon, ie the past two centuries, the rise of liberalism et al. Yet Muslims and Christians are not so different beyond obvious physical differences that have to do with racial, not religious background.
 
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Correct on face, buddy, but you've gotta remember that the initial genetic subset of Jews was much, much smaller than that of Christians or Muslims. There's a lot more genetic variability in a larger population...

And as for Snake, I think you're confusing personal prejudices with what the article presents--sure, some Jews have persecution complexes, but I don't think it's accurate to say Jews are reaching "now that we have the chance," as if Jews weren't given the chance in medieval times or before. Jews were the only bankers in Europe because Catholics couldn't charge each other interest, and had thriving businesses because they were relegated to their own sectors in cities and towns, as minorities often are.

Just because you disagree with the people around you, or don't like the choices they make with their lives, doesn't make them stupid.
 
Yeesh. Yes, it was a smaller group, but even so - so small as to make this sort of gene-breeding true? That would require more than just a small population.

Sorry, I still don't buy it. (And the "God's chosen" explanation doesn't hold much water ; today's jews may have a shred remaining of Israelite ancestry, but it isn't much).
 
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I don't know enough to assert whether or not it's true, but it's interesting for debate. I'm not saying God's Chosen has anything to do with it, but the genetic hypothesis is interesting, to say the least, and would certainly apply to other small groups of people
 
Woah!

This IS interesting! O.O


And speaking of biology, even though Judaism runs in my father's family, I don't believe this claim is true....

I mean, I don't seem any smarter than anyone in general or anyone from another religion. And neither does my father, and my two siblings (my brother is very smart, actually, but I wouldn't call him a genius).


Then again, I've never had an IQ test. So I'm clueless as far as this claim goes. ^^;
 
I think it's just something that results from everyone separating themselves and essentially what amounts to peer pressure to be part of the group. Saying there's a gene that makes Jewish people smarter is like saying there's one that makes black people dumb, really: it's little more than racism.

Just because one group has more individuals that score better on tests just means that the individuals were pressured better into memorizing stuff. Einstein was Jewish, whoo. He just had the "aha!" moment in the right field where everyone would remember him. Others have had the "aha!" moment elsewhere, but have been forgotten because physics is a name-retaining thing.

As for the "memorizing stuff", well, scoring better on a verbal exam means you're better with languages. I don't know how true this is of every Jewish family, but my friend knows Yiddish and can speak it pretty fluently. That might have some effect if it's a widespread tradition.

...plus, well, I personally don't think it's a good idea for anyone to say anyone else is racially superior in any way. Especially if it's one group saying that it itself is the superior one... which is what always happens.
 
I thought most of the above stereotypes are usually slammed on Asians? :p
Not that I think that's true, but come on, there is no way that these supposed above qualities can be said less for Asians than for Jews.

I'm going to be honest here. Unfortunately as much as I hate to say it most of these stereotypes do fit me, well, I memorize stuff fast and am into math, and have an exceptionally high IQ and got 760 and 780 on a couple SATs, then again I am Ashkenaz, but I DON'T think it's true, at all.

I'm with Snake Bandage on this. I am also Israeli and spend about 1/3 of my life in Israel and was there just last year, and most of my Israeli encounters dealt with idiots.

Will add more later...
 
(this sort of is related to my subject of study, I apologies for the length)

As a student of anthropology and archeology I find this whole thing completely ridiculous. There is NO such thing as different races of humans, there is only one race and that is Homo sapiens which is all living humans. As a matter of fact, brain size is one of the defining characteristics of the human species when using the fossil record:

Homo sapiens brain size is 1350 cc. Homo neanderthalensis (or Homo sapien neanderthalensis) had a brain size of 1400-1500 cc, bigger than ours. Homo erectus had a brain size of 1000 cc. Homo habilis had a brain size of 600- 800 cc. Any earlier than that and we are no longer Homo but Australopithecus.

There was actually an experiment done in what I believe to be the 1800s where a British scientists, in order to prove British superiority, measured the skull cavity of a British male and an "island native" from near India. He would measure by filling the skulls with rice or some sort of pellet. In order to be patriotic he cheated and used either a female or younger male or different sized pellets to prove that the British where smarter. Of course his "proof" is scrapped but the method is sound as skull cavity equals brain size. Now a days, using uniform pellets and skulls of the same sex and age have found all "races" have the same size skull cavity and therefor similar intelligence levels.

My professors have said that Homo sapiens have actually -slowed- down their evolution in favor of using -culture- as a way to adapt to their environment. Not stopped, you just have to fly from Sweden to Kenya to see that, but slowed down drasticly and as such Homo sapiens have avoided evolving into separate races/species and there is little hope we ever will. Another factor in this is that we humans are rather mobile, we can live anywhere in the world (we are actually more adapt in living in hot environments compared to cold, but it's snowing outside my window right now) and humans have taken advantage of that. Some humans are more inclined to certain areas but can survive anywhere. This mobility has prevented certain evolutions from taking a strong hold to keep us in that certain land area and therefor evolve separately. Global mobility has also helped spread genes which further prevents specific "racial" evolutions, you can have all the rules of marrying your own kind you want but as a populous whole such breeding restrictions are difficult to maintain.

You can take a baby from any Asian country (stereotypically know for their intelligence) and have them be adopted by an American family. That child will grow up as an American, complete with a fully American culture and an American education and the IQ expected of it. If there was such a thing as multiple races that Asian child would have an IQ expected of it if it still lived in what ever country it came from. It's all culture.

Any claim of a group of humans being naturally smarter or dumber than other humans is completely ignoring cultural factors and documented science.
 
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Well that was exactly what I was thinking when the question poped up, "why is it that the human species does not seem to be evolving anymore"

No longer do we need to adapt to the environment, when we can make the environment adapt to us.

I do however disagree with your notion of there being no such thing as other races. What we humans call different "races" is more comparable to that of the different breeds of the domestic dog. The different breeds of dogs are defined by their size, shape, colour, and physical and mental attributes. As insulting as it may seem, our notion of "race" is very comparable to that of the different breeds of dogs. We define our race by our physical attributes, and unfortunately our intelect (though I believe that's just a stereotype).

Despite the many different breds of domestic dog, they are all still able to breed with each other, and even the wolves from which we domesticated them from. Why? Because they are the same species.

Just like the many breeds of domestic dogs, the different races of humans are able to breed with each other aswell because we are the same species.

As for the article concerning inbreeding and intellect for the Jews, the first thing that came to mind was "Isn't inbreeding supposed to give you disadvantages?" To me this sounds more like selective breeding :p

Whether it is genetic, or whether it is not, is certainly not a reason to hate them, nor is it a reason for Jews to fear persecution (although I can see why from Snake Bandage's post).

Honestly though, how many of you people here actually believe that other people of other races wouldn't rub it in your face that they are genetically smarter? The root of all prejudice attitudes in all races is that we believe that we are somehow superior. Now don't pretend that you are free from all prejudice attitudes, if you were, then I would be questioning whether you are actually human. Of course they are going to get an ego boost, and some may actually brag about it, but I doubt anyone would go to the extent of going to war over genetic superiority [again].
 
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