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Some can speculate, that due to the random and unnessicary references to Gold/Silver and Crystal within DP, that there will be DS remakes of GS, just as Fr/Lg after the gen3 games. But, as i have somthing else to point out.

The last 'season' of the anime was set back in Kanto, exploring a spread out version of the Battle Frontier from Emerald.

Now, despite the ammout of filler episodes growing each year, i fairly doubt it'll take Ash 5 years to get through the Sinnoh tournement.

So what'll happen for the last 50 or so episodes of DP?

Well, when Kanto remakes of games were released, the anime followed suit and took the same cast of characters to Kanto. So, if there is a GS remake, i suspect that Ash, dawn, and Brock will return to Johto.

If Ash & co. experiance many of the random GSC referances that players of DP did, his experiances and memories from Johto may return, and support from prof.s as usual will promt Ash to return to johto, possibly even to explore the johto versions of the fight, survival, and resort areas.

This would also give Dawn a few mor contests, a chance to meet May (as if we even want to see that) and possibly reawaken old plotlines that were all but forgotten.

What ever happened to the GS ball? A plot device forgotten from the moment it was handed to Kurt. Kurt is in Johto. So it could be revisted.

Then there is Butterfree and Pidgeot. I know that have nothing to do with the Johto days, but come on?
 
This belongs in the anime forum, for one. For another, there are tons and tons of plot threads abandoned by the writers. They're not exactly fantastic on continuity.
 
Can someone explain to me why there are still people out there who care about Pidgeot or Butterfree? They've been gone for 10 years, and would do absolutely nothing but rot at Oak's lab anyway if Ash went back for them.

The only Kanto Pokemon that Ash has reunited that aren't all at Oaks is his original team of Bulbasaur/Squirtle/Charizard.

As for what they'll do after D/P, its far too early to say, and I don't think the writers are going to have Ash re-trek through every single region he's been through before. He's far more likely to challenge the Sinnoh Elite 4 after the league, which will pave the way nicely before Gen 5.
 
Scott85 said:
Can someone explain to me why there are still people out there who care about Pidgeot or Butterfree?
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Closure. Besides, Ash said he'd come back for Pidgeot and he never did. They could easly explain it by having him say something like "Oh, last time we were in Pallet, I saw Pidgeot, but it wanted to stay with the Pidgies", but they don't even give us that.
 
I understand why people want closure to the GS ball subplot, but I never saw his released Pokemon as needing any closure at all. It was pretty much just people who honestly believed Ash would reunite his entire Kanto team for some bizarre reason. And as I said, if he did see them again they'd either only be in 1 episode or be left behind at Oak's lab anyway so there's no point bringing them up again.

I also wonder why the topic starter thinks we'll revisit familiar Johto locations. The Battle Frontier saga barely brought up any nostalgic elements of the original Kanto, why in the world would random Johto areas be brought up when that region doesn't hold the same type of nostalgia or memories that the original season did.

The Sinnoh region is so far the slowest paced saga we've ever had, we're almost 60 episodes into it and Ash STILL only has 2 badges. Why do people think we'll have time for another elaborate filler saga, especially when there's been foreshadowing of him challenging the Sinnoh Elite 4 instead?
 
I don't think the Pokemon would be an issue if Ash didn't say his little 'I'll come back for you' or whatever line. That makes people want closure of sorts. I don't think people have an issue with the Pokemon Ash never said this to.
 
Yeah, but that was Ash's famous line in Season 1. He said the same thing to just about every filler kid he used to meet back then too.

He still says similar things today, but he's just not as naive anymore about it.
 
Scott85 said:
The Sinnoh region is so far the slowest paced saga we've ever had, we're almost 60 episodes into it and Ash STILL only has 2 badges. Why do people think we'll have time for another elaborate filler saga, especially when there's been foreshadowing of him challenging the Sinnoh Elite 4 instead?
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And that’s exactly why I made that thread at sppf. To find out if people really understood how long Shinou could be. But what really surprised me, was that there really are people who think Shinou is going to be shorter than the original Kanto. O.O
 
Come to think of it I'd rather Nintendo either directly confirm or deny G/S remakes so all this speculation can finally end. And even if they do happen, we have no idea what their impact on the anime would be.

Otherwise, there's nothing left to tell. Maybe we'll see Marina become a recurring character, since she was oddy robbed of being in the Johto region since she wasn't introduced till Crystal version. Sometimes I really wonder what Johto would be like if Marina was on the group instead of Misty, there's a good chance Misty might have left after Orange had Marina been around at the start of G/S.
 
Scott85 said:
As for what they'll do after D/P, its far too early to say, and I don't think the writers are going to have Ash re-trek through every single region he's been through before. He's far more likely to challenge the Sinnoh Elite 4 after the league, which will pave the way nicely before Gen 5.
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Heh, he'll defeat Cynthia and then lose to the next region's first gym leader. :lol:
 
Ok, on topic, it is theoretically possible, and a little probable, that the Gen II remakes would be made. the very many references to Johto, as well as FR/LG. what will it's appearance be in the anime is still under the question, though, much less if the writers learn from their mistakes and NOT screw over continuity.

Scott85 said:
Come to think of it I'd rather Nintendo either directly confirm or deny G/S remakes so all this speculation can finally end. And even if they do happen, we have no idea what their impact on the anime would be.

Otherwise, there's nothing left to tell. Maybe we'll see Marina become a recurring character, since she was oddy robbed of being in the Johto region since she wasn't introduced till Crystal version. Sometimes I really wonder what Johto would be like if Marina was on the group instead of Misty, there's a good chance Misty might have left after Orange had Marina been around at the start of G/S.
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Actually, I'd argue that even IF Marina was created by the start of Gen II rather than at the last game, Misty STILL would have stuck around in Johto. I mean, just because Marina is the Heroine of GSC doesn't 100% Guarantee that she WILL have a main spot on the main cast. I mean, Look at Leaf (or, nonmanga name, the FRLG Girl)! She was the heroine of the FR/LG Remakes, and she never got a spot on the Main cast come the Kanto Battle frontier (or any appearances, for that matter), despite her being the Heroine of FR/LG. If they Royally Screwed Leaf/FRLG Girl over for May even if it would have advertised FRLG Perfectly for Leaf/FRLG to utterly replace May, they could have Just as easily have Kept Misty on the Main Cast and not have allowed Marina to appear as a member of the Main Cast even IF she appeared in GSC.
 
Scott85 said:
Come to think of it I'd rather Nintendo either directly confirm or deny G/S remakes so all this speculation can finally end. And even if they do happen, we have no idea what their impact on the anime would be.

Otherwise, there's nothing left to tell. Maybe we'll see Marina become a recurring character, since she was oddy robbed of being in the Johto region since she wasn't introduced till Crystal version. Sometimes I really wonder what Johto would be like if Marina was on the group instead of Misty, there's a good chance Misty might have left after Orange had Marina been around at the start of G/S.
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I agree about the GS Remakes, and not just anime wise, but also game wise, because this speculation gets us nowhere.

About Marina, I doubt Misty would be kicked off at Johto's start for a few reasons.

1. Misty was fairly popular at the end of Orange and her character was not completely deteriorated yet.

2. The writers just kicked off Brock and were not about to experiment changing the original trio.
 
I call bullshit.

When Johto was originally airing nobody expected that to be her final saga in the anime. Had Marina been introduced at the start of G/S instead of coming 2 years later in Crystal, we might have had her as a traveling companion.

What is so hard about this? Misty is NOT that important. She was just Ash's traveling companion back when they had no girls from the games to put on the show instead. You guys honestly think Misty being in Johto was for any other reason? Who were they to replace her with at the time....there were no other important female characters since Marina was introduced far too late in the games for the anime to incorporate her.

It strikes me as interesting that the second female characters started to be playable at the start of a gen (like the start of R/S, for example), Misty was immediately chucked. Don't spread this BS otherwise.
 
Well, my apologise if i angered anyone.

I just saw the pattern and speculation crossing over. besides, the Pidgeot thing has been well screwed with over time. Ash's first Johto battle is against a Pidgeot (he still says he'll get it back in that episode) but other than that, Pidgeot have apeared as often as Machoke or Golem.

Then come the Cartoon Network adds for a DP episode featuring Starly's evolution, which showed pikachu flying on the back of a pidgeot. Now, despite Charizard's fast arrival in times of need, there is no way for Pidgeot to zip across 3 unnamed regions to Sinnoh, but still. That ad was exciting and the episode was disapointing.

Yes, it is closure we all want, though i am only hear to expres my theories, knowing that we have a 1 in 500 chance of seeing Pidgeot, GS ball, or even jigglypuff ever again.
 
^ Don't forget the Pidgeot Ash was riding in the first Diaruga vs. Parukia vs. Darkraitrailers, although the Pidgeot and that scene never actually made it into the movie.
 
The Spurt opening shows that the writers remember all of Ash's old Pokemon, they simply don't care enough to bring the ones that aren't at Oaks lab back into the anime.
 
except that even the ones at the lab are shafted most the time. You really gotta feel for Kingler.... it gets a chance to redeem itself from that earlier "convenient moment of Satoshi being forgetful of Koduck" (read: bullshit), only for a bunch of random Biriridama to roll down a hill and blow it up.

Scott85 said:
What is so hard about this? Misty is NOT that important. She was just Ash's traveling companion back when they had no girls from the games to put on the show instead. You guys honestly think Misty being in Johto was for any other reason? Who were they to replace her with at the time....there were no other important female characters since Marina was introduced far too late in the games for the anime to incorporate her.
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this may be my bias speaking, but I don't see the reason Kasumi should've been used int he first place. I mean, "important female character"? Exactly what do the Gym Leaders do in the games other than battle you and hand you a badge with just a couple lines of dialog the whole time? Given, they're probably recognizable, being one of the few named characters and roughly what you could consider this game's "boss battles", but I still don't see a reason to have them tag along with the main character?

Hell, if they wanted to, they could've pulled a Blue and base a female traveling companion off of the Mini-skirt model (in fact, that would've been a pretty good move, actually.... given how many times they appear in the games, they could've potentially been way more recognizeable than Kasumi. They even got their own Trainer Card in the first card game set). Hmm... come to think of it, the anime also used a Mini-skirt character in the form of Seiyo (she could've just been a regular Japanese schoolgirl appearing at one of the only education centers in the entire series, but the long hair and similar fuku seem a little intentional). Wouldn't it have been interesting if she had been a main character? ^^
 
Yamato-san said:
this may be my bias speaking, but I don't see the reason Kasumi should've been used int he first place. I mean, "important female character"? Exactly what do the Gym Leaders do in the games other than battle you and hand you a badge with just a couple lines of dialog the whole time? Given, they're probably recognizable, being one of the few named characters and roughly what you could consider this game's "boss battles", but I still don't see a reason to have them tag along with the main character?
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Well did the writers ever reveal why they simply just took the first two Gym leaders of Kanto and had them travel with Ash? It really seems odd now thinking about it. Imagine if Ash had Hoenn or Sinnoh Gym leaders traveling with him? We'd be like "WTF?!"

the anime also used a Mini-skirt character in the form of Seiyo (she could've just been a regular Japanese schoolgirl appearing at one of the only education centers in the entire series, but the long hair and similar fuku seem a little intentional). Wouldn't it have been interesting if she had been a main character? ^^
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Yeah, but that kind of reminds you of Dawn, doesn't it? When her character design was first revealed, a lot of people thought she was a ripoff as FR/LG girl. :p
 
come to think of it, Shigeru's sister (who's oddly absent in the anime) could've been a potential female lead as well... god, she was quite the cutie in the Dengeki! Pikachu manga. More props to Ono-sama! ^^

Scott85 said:
Well did the writers ever reveal why they simply just took the first two Gym leaders of Kanto and had them travel with Ash? It really seems odd now thinking about it. Imagine if Ash had Hoenn or Sinnoh Gym leaders traveling with him? We'd be like "WTF?!"
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I get the feeling that the writers were just trying to appeal to all the people who were just starting out the game. Thus, the first two Gym Leaders are featured, and all three starters are around and kept in their unevolved form for a good while.... I don't get why, though. The games were out a good year before the anime came out... I mean, I'm pretty lazy with RPGs myself (I got a shitload that still need to be completed, and I do sometimes take my time with leveling ^^'), but surely, the majority of Japanese people who had bought the games would've at least reached the third Gym and evolved their starter into its second or even its third form by then (hell, that kind of feet could be accomplished within a couple hours after purchasing it). Also, if they wanted to appeal to those just starting the game, they would've canned a lot of the characters the second Jouto started.... not exactly can the hero if they felt him too iconic to the show, but maybe have a couple of those newer Gym Leaders travel with Satoshi (though, they sure seemed to continue the trend of having starters in their basic forms for a long time). The logic really doesn't add up much, but it's all I can go on as being a possible reason to feature those early-game characters like they did.
 
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