Judas was a hero

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060407/ap_on_re_us/gospel_of_judas_6

Jesus says to Judas:
"You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me."
"You will be cursed by the other generations — and you will come to rule over them"

So let's hear some arguments about this vs the official account, how one decides which is the more accurate depiction, and whether Christians cast Judas as a traitor simply to vilify the Jews.
 
You can't officially say one is more accurate, as what's actually in the Bible was based more on politics than accuracy.

And you can certainly pin blame on the Jewish leaders (as well as the romans) without resorting to Judas.
 
Mozz get a 100% mark.

And it's entirely possible that both books are right. The four gospels claim Judas betrayed Jesus ; if we assume the above account was not widespread knowledge, it was probably exactly what the rest of the early christians believed.
 
I spend some time in Gaia Online's Morality and Religion subforum, and I've heard about something like this a while ago. I don't remember what exactly they were talking about, but the topic went to Judas and how he "betrayed" Jesus. I put "betrayed" in quotation marks because a couple of the people there who speak Hebrew said that the word used (wherever it was, somewhere in Matt, Luke, Mark, I think) meant merely "to hand over." Not only that, but it didn't have that negative connotation that "betray" has, at all.
 
I think it's a fair assumption that Jesus of Nazareth did exist and that he was crucified. The crux of the matter, so to speak, is the whole "resurrection" thingie.
 
Meh. People do tend to remember martyrs and those who died young more than those who lived out their full lives, because people tend to look at what else they did in their life and think "wow! If only they had continued to live, what more amazing stuff would they have accomplished" - which only ends up giving the dead the attributes of infinite greatness.
 
Well, one can say if it wasn't for Judas, Jesus would have never died for our sins. Its something I've always thought about since I was little. I'm sure others have as well, it's not really anything new.

That whole book of Judas thing is something else though. It may be a blantant ratings trap, but I plan to watch that National Geographic thing.
 
Technically, I've always felt that since Jesus was meant to die anyway, Judas *was* just doing God's will. And keep in mind, in the Middle Ages, anti-Semitism was all the rage.
 
I always thought Jesus was in on it. It just wrapped up too nicely for my taste. I liked to think that they betted their movement would make a bigger impression if they humiliated the Pharisees, but then Jesus got executed and Judas freaked and hung himself, which the other disciples then interpreted as "guilt".
 
As far as fiction goes, the Bible is worse than Lord Of The Rings, and LOTR is dire.
 
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