Kyurem to have a perfected form. (READ).

[Cleffa]

In Black/White it is referenced that there's a full dragon. The dragon being Kyurem, so does that mean that BKyurem and WKyurem could possibly join during the story of BW2?

Points/Evidence:

- The reference in BW.
- KyuremB/W could be the aftermath of this 'perfect' forme, which N took apart by using the orb. (God stone could be linked?)
- Or absortion which could seem legit as Kyurem is mixed with R/Z.
- Kyurem may not be this 'super/perfect' dragon which is spoken about in the reference in BW, meaning a new legendary.
- It could be possible that KyuremB/W are not extensions to Kyurem but rather a different pokemon,
- The movie poster shows three versions of Kyurem - so maybe the perfect forme is the Kyurem we see in B/W however withered/strained from the B/WKyurem.

What do you think? I think this could be true, but it's all speculation for now.

 

[El_]

Kyurem isn't the Original Dragon. If it was, then they would have simply introduced one complete Taiji forme in a third version game as opposed to two separate formes in two sequel games. I do think that Kyurem is necessary in some way for the restoration of the Original Dragon though.

Kyurem is to Reshiram/Zekrom as Shedinja is to Ninjask, a shell or vestige of the split. Once all 3 Dragons somehow either fuse back together or combine their energies somehow, then I expect for an all new Dragon Pokemon to be shown.

For an example:

Nincada - Original Dragon - Taiji - One
Ninjask - Reshiram/Zekrom - Yin/Yang - Two
Shedinja- Kyurem - Wuji - Three

Only this is a devolution as opposed to an evolution. This also fits with actual Taoism, as that is the order of the energy.

 

[Cleffa]

@El_

Well there's a few combinations,
Reshiram + Kyurem = Kyurem-W
Zekrom + Kyurem = Kyurem-B
Reshiram + Zekrom + Kyurem = ?

The third combination is where the perfected form could lay, and it is possible that the light/dark/god stones come into it.

It just seems weird that there's three dragons shown in that poster above, legit or non-legit which could mean three Kyurems. If this is true then the third combination listed above, true or untrue, is the combination for the perfected form of Kyurem. (Whether or not this is the one in BW or a new legendary).

 

[El_]

It just seems weird that there's three dragons shown in that poster above, legit or non-legit which could mean three Kyurems. If this is true then the third combination listed above, true or untrue, is the combination for the perfected form of Kyurem. (Whether or not this is the one in BW or a new legendary).

I understand what your saying, but the only reason that theres three Kyurems in the poster is simply to advertise all of Kyurem's formes at once. There will be only a single Kyurem in the movie.

As for the God Stone, it is unknown if it will ever be used or not. I imagine that it is a fusion somehow of the Light/Dark stones, and could call on the Original Dragon the same way that the Light/Dark stones called on Reshiram/Zekrom. But thats simply speculation on my part.

You could be right though if Kyurem is meant to hold the Light/Dark stones in order to become Black/White Kyurem, and by holding the God stone could become something else like the Original Dragon.

 

[Cleffa]

It just seems weird that there's three dragons shown in that poster above, legit or non-legit which could mean three Kyurems. If this is true then the third combination listed above, true or untrue, is the combination for the perfected form of Kyurem. (Whether or not this is the one in BW or a new legendary).

I understand what your saying, but the only reason that theres three Kyurems in the poster is simply to advertise all of Kyurem's formes at once. There will be only a single Kyurem in the movie.

As for the God Stone, it is unknown if it will ever be used or not. I imagine that it is a fusion somehow of the Light/Dark stones, and could call on the Original Dragon the same way that the Light/Dark stones called on Reshiram/Zekrom. But thats simply speculation on my part.

You could be right though if Kyurem is meant to hold the Light/Dark stones in order to become Black/White Kyurem, and by holding the God stone could become something else like the Original Dragon.

And N has the God Stone. So perhaps to get the god stone, which could link somewhere with B/W Kyurem, you have to defeat N or he for some reason gives it to you after seeing potential in the protagonist.. all of that other stuff, etc.

It may be that Kyurem is the first Tri-typed Pokemon ever as well, as Zekrom =/= Electric/Dragon, Kyurem =/= Ice/Dragon. Reshiram =/= Fire/Dragon. Which could mean an introduce of tri-typed Pokemon.

 

[Infinity Mk-II]

Actually, I think the existence of Kyurem isn't the remains of the original dragon but rather... it's due to the lack of existence of the Original Dragon.
The lore is that Kyurem came from the sky long ago... What if, this actually happened when the Original Dragon split?

Kyurem is the absence of Yin and Yang. By Reshiram and Zekrom splitting, there ceased to be a being representing such a thing, as they became separate beings.
So Kyurem would've been born as a byproduct of the split, but not as the remains of something that was ever there.


Now... that Kyurem merges with either Yin and Yang, it could represent which of either of the boundaries it, as "wuji", reaches. My theory on it is, that if the three of them were to come together, Kyurem would become some sort of true opposite to the Original Dragon, that encompassed everything beyond both boundaries.


As for the God stone... it seems it would've matched Kyurem, but, it obviously doesn't have Kyurem inside it nor its spirit nor anything, so who knows. It wasn't used in Black and White though, so unless it is used in Black and White 2 speculating what would be inside it is like speculating what's inside the GS Ball.

 

[Cleffa]

Actually, I think the existence of Kyurem isn't the remains of the original dragon but rather... it's due to the lack of existence of the Original Dragon.
The lore is that Kyurem came from the sky long ago... What if, this actually happened when the Original Dragon split?

Kyurem is the absence of Yin and Yang. By Reshiram and Zekrom splitting, there ceased to be a being representing such a thing, as they became separate beings.
So Kyurem would've been born as a byproduct of the split, but not as the remains of something that was ever there.


Now... that Kyurem merges with either Yin and Yang, it could represent which of either of the boundaries it, as "wuji", reaches. My theory on it is, that if the three of them were to come together, Kyurem would become some sort of true opposite to the Original Dragon, that encompassed everything beyond both boundaries.


As for the God stone... it seems it would've matched Kyurem, but, it obviously doesn't have Kyurem inside it nor its spirit nor anything, so who knows. It wasn't used in Black and White though, so unless it is used in Black and White 2 speculating what would be inside it is like speculating what's inside the GS Ball.

I agree to an extent with everything you've been saying, but the God Stone can't be entirely useless or there'd be no point to bring it in. It could be that, a) the God Stone holds the power to release the perfect forme, or b) the perfect forme would be a fusion of the three legendary dragons (dis-regarding B/WKyurem) which would make 5 dragons in total.

 

[Infinity Mk-II]

@PrincessMio Thing is, the God Stone hasn't been brought in, so while it might be very well a plot element in BW2... it might as well not be, and even just be left out of the games.

That's why I don't think there's much to say about it. It IS certainly related to Kyurem, but we don't know anything else, nor if is even a "real" thing.

 

[Cleffa]

@PrincessMio Thing is, the God Stone hasn't been brought in, so while it might be very well a plot element in BW2... it might as well not be, and even just be left out of the games.

That's why I don't think there's much to say about it. It IS certainly related to Kyurem, but we don't know anything else, nor if is even a "real" thing.

All we can really do is assume then. I thought that maybe BWKyurem is from Team Plasma mixing up the orbs and fusing Kyurem into Zekrom/Reshiram as well. Crazy but they make out most of the villains to be idiots. x]

 

[The Outrage]

My take on this is that Black and White Kyurem are the result of an uneven, but equal purging of Reshiram and Zekrom when the Original Dragon was unable to take sides on which of the Twin heroes was correct (theory can be found here). While I don't necessarily theorize that Kyurem results as an absence (though I support that Kyurem is the wuji whereas the Original dragon is taiji), it doesn't necessarily contradict the theory proposed by @El_ that the name "Kyurem" may reference the lack of something.

Though I do have a problem with the idea that Kyurem couldn't be the Original simply because they made sequels rather than a third version (again, linked to the theory above) given all the references made that Black and White are separate time lines.

 

[Cleffa]

My take on this is that Black and White Kyurem are the result of an uneven, but equal purging of Reshiram and Zekrom when the Original Dragon was unable to take sides on which of the Twin heroes was correct (theory can be found here). While I don't necessarily theorize that Kyurem results as an absence (though I support that Kyurem is the wuji whereas the Original dragon is taiji), it doesn't necessarily contradict the theory proposed by @El_ that the name "Kyurem" may reference the lack of something.

Though I do have a problem with the idea that Kyurem couldn't be the Original simply because they made sequels rather than a third version (again, linked to the theory above) given all the references made that Black and White are separate time lines.

I don't know what the bolded bit means, but I had an idea that Kyurem could be the original one, as it'd make sense in some way. He could have been old/withered/drained because of numerous explanations making him not so much of a deal during B/W.

 

[Frugrow]

Wow. White Kyurem's face looks really ugly in this angle. Black Kyurem still looks like the boss it has been from the beginning. This is coming from a Reshiram fan by the way!

I've read some of the theories in this thread and can definitely see a "perfect" form of Kyurem but then 3 forms of a Pokemon is a bit overkill. Then I'm reminded of Deoxys and don't think it's a big deal afterwards. We can see Kyurem speaking telepathically in one of the trailers. I wonder if the forms will be able as well?

 

[Cleffa]

Wow. White Kyurem's face looks really ugly in this angle. Black Kyurem still looks like the boss it has been from the beginning. This is coming from a Reshiram fan by the way!

I've read some of the theories in this thread and can definitely see a "perfect" form of Kyurem but then 3 forms of a Pokemon is a bit overkill. Then I'm reminded of Deoxys and don't think it's a big deal afterwards. We can see Kyurem speaking telepathically in one of the trailers. I wonder if the forms will be able as well?

Masuda has always left people astray when it comes to different formes and stuff like that. Shaymin has 2 formes, Deoxys has a lot more, and most legendaries without formes have an alter and a center (for example; the three regis = alters to each other, regigigas = center. kyogre and groudon = alters, and rayquaza = center.). So it's safe to say that all in all there will only be 3 Kyurem formes.

Kyurem can only have 3 possible outcomes, with the third being its perfect forme. Its perfect forme will be tri-typed, unless of course they somehow fuse electric and fire together, or dragon with something else - but that'd defeat the purpose of him being a dragon which is what the legend is about.

 

[El_]

Though I do have a problem with the idea that Kyurem couldn't be the Original simply because they made sequels rather than a third version (again, linked to the theory above) given all the references made that Black and White are separate time lines.

I had figured (before the news was known about remakes) that a third version would merge any sort of timelines back into one. I kinda linked Reshiram to the past, Zekrom to the future, and Kyurem when I thought it was the original dragon to the present and "truly ideal" state to be in. The dragons probably still have this theme of past, present, and future though as their basis the three pure ones of Taoism have it. Two separate timelines is likely as there are two ways (Truth/Ideals) the story can go, Kyurem is likely the "Boundary" between if your theory is the case.

Kyurem can only have 3 possible outcomes, with the third being its perfect forme. Its perfect forme will be tri-typed, unless of course they somehow fuse electric and fire together, or dragon with something else - but that'd defeat the purpose of him being a dragon which is what the legend is about.

I still don't think that 3 formes of Kyurem is happening though. Kyurem is more like the Giratina of this generation, while the Original Dragon is the Arceus. While this is not confirmed yet, if they are programming a brand new ability or mechanic for BW2 (Overdrive Mode) for Kyurem's formes, then it could be possible that another Pokemon could be programed in as well. While this has never happened before, it doesn't mean that it couldn't happen.

To also add more to what @The Outrage said about Kyurem, its very name seems to allude to its state of lack of energy, in other words Ice. I'm very doubtful that the Original Dragon was an Ice typed Dragon.

As for triple types, they will hopefully never happen. That would be a mess and there are ways around that to covey a sense of energy and balance between Fire & Electric.

 

[Slenderman]

So basically...

Spoiler

This:

equals this:

These:

equal this:

And Zekrom Reshiram, and Kyurem combined equals this:

 

[Cleffa]

So basically...

Spoiler

This:

equals this:

These:

equal this:

And Zekrom Reshiram, and Kyurem combined equals this:

Haha yeah, pretty much if one of the theories are correct