League/Elite 4 speculation, Ash saving his best Pokemon for later?

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Does anyone find the choice of Pokemon here very ironic? We see some overused old Pokemon (Snorlax), three Hoenn Pokemon, (Corphish, Torkoal and Glalie), and the Johto team sans Heracross.

Yet Ash's most important/popular Pokemon are missing:

Bulbasaur
Squirtle
Charizard
Sceptile
Swellow
Kingler
Tauros
Heracross


Is anyone else thinking Ash will use the Pokemon in the pic above for the league, but then the ones I listed will return for the Elite 4?

Why would such popular Pokemon like Sceptile and the Kanto starters be ignored, (I understand the Johto team is there for HGSS), yet you have Snorlax and Corphish there which had big roles in AG. Not to mention Torkoal and Glalie, as well as Donphan who were all there right before DP.

Granted Kingler is also missing, but otherwise do you suspect Ash's best pokemon are being saved for afterward?
 
If we're going to have an vs. Elite Four arc, then that would be with his strongest Pokémon, unless animé restrics Ash with the same rules in games. You know, the "you have to fight them all with the same team" rule.

So far, I can only imagine these guys being used in League and Frontier arc. Nothing else.
 
Its very odd. We see shafted Pokemon there, yet poor Kingler is still ignored.

Kingler hasn't done *anything* since the Whirl Cup back in Johto.
 
I assume that the E4 arc will limit Ash to... let's say nine Pokemon (1.5 teams) for the entire arc. So I would assume that he'd use his superstars for that arc, which would explain his missing powerhouses.
 
Yeah, yet Kingler is a very cool Pokémon(after he got Agility in HG/SS, especially), and Ash's Kingler was one of my favourites.

I guess he will always be neglected, as he isn't a cute/cuddly/unevolved Water-Type.
 
magpiejay12 said:
Yeah, yet Kingler is a very cool Pokémon(after he got Agility in HG/SS, especially), and Ash's Kingler was one of my favourites.

I guess he will always be neglected, as he isn't a cute/cuddly/unevolved Water-Type.
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Which is really messed up, because Kingler was pretty popular in the old days. Once Hoenn began the writers ignore it. Its probably because it and Corphish are too alike.
 
So the Kanto team won't show up, I'm shocked.

Ash intends to win this league, yet he brings back some of his worst Pokemon, (Totodile and Noctowl), yet ignores the powerhouses like the Kanto starters and Sceptile.

Holy shit. Its like an odd mix of weak and strong.
 
Well, at least weak and ignored Pokémon will get spotlight. And if writers want, they can evolve them/make them get some boost in/before league...
 
Yet Ash's most important/popular Pokemon are missing:

Bulbasaur
Squirtle
Charizard
Sceptile
Swellow
Kingler
Tauros
Heracross


Is anyone else thinking Ash will use the Pokemon in the pic above for the league, but then the ones I listed will return for the Elite 4?
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Snorlax is more of a powerhouse than Tauros, Heracross or swellow... so if they were saving his best for last, they wouldn't have added snorlax...

I hope the reserves aren't used in the league, but have nothing against them used in a battle frontier...

The reason that charizard, bulbasaur and sceptile aren't there, is why would Ash bring them back if he has Infernape and torterra... Given the way the writers shaped his personnality, I can really picture Ash saying to Infernape and Torterra... "You've worked super hard and evolve twice, but now I'm bringing back Charizard and Sceptile to take your place... Wouldn't make sense from a character developpement standpoint...

Also I think that even if Ash faces against Cynthia, he wouldn't use all of the Kanto starters in the same battle, he would probably use pikachu, charizard (to showcase Kanto plus strongest fire-type starter), sceptile (to showcase Hoenn plus strongest grass type starter), a newly evolved croconaw or feraligator (to showcase Johto), Staraptor (to showcase Sinnoh, plus his strongest bird pokemon) and either Snorlax or Gible (who could be a Garchomp by then)
 
Jolteon said:
The reason that charizard, bulbasaur and sceptile aren't there, is why would Ash bring them back if he has Infernape and torterra...
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Isn't this the same Ash who used Bulbasaur over his fully evolved Sceptile in Battle Frontier?

That's why I think the Kanto starters, Sceptile, etc. are being saved. They're getting the obscure Pokemon out of the way here, and saving the others for later.

You're right that Snorlax is one of Ash's best, yet something like Kingler not there is odd, but maybe the writers purposely wanted to mix them up so its not all strong/weak.

Can you really see this gen ending without the triumphant return of Bulbasaur/Squirtle/Charizard? Never in the shows history has that happened.
 
Probably so.

I like this, this way all his Pokemon get to help Ash to reach the E4. I can see something like a mix of his strongest Pokemon against Cynthia, but something like Bulbasaur vs one of Flint's Pokemon (which would be a fire type), doesn't add up.

So I think that for the League he'll use some reserves for the prelimnary battles and rivals like Barry, Nando, and Conway before he faces Paul, which he might use his Sinnoh only Pokemon. Then in the BF, he'll probably use more of the reserves. And before/after that, he'll use a mix of his strongest Pokemon and type advantages against the E4. Like Swellow, Staraptor, Noctowl, Torkoal, Infernape, and Cyndaquil/Quilava against Aaron. Torterra, Bayleef/Meganium, Buizel, Sceptile, Totodile/Crocanaw/Feraligatr, and Kingler against Bertha, and so on.

Scott85 said:
Can you really see this gen ending without the triumphant return of Bulbasaur/Squirtle/Charizard? Never in the shows history has that happened.
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I guess your right, just like Misty and May, Dawn's name starts with M. And Bulbasaur didn't evolve, Bayleef evolved once, and Sceptile evolved twice? I guess Turtwig won't evolve at all.

Oh wait, those things didn't happen. I'm sure the Kanto trio will return, but don't expect them to show up and have things end up like Johto did.
 
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I think maybe this is the chance for Ash to use the Johto team while they have the opportunity. Anything after the league will be tough where Ash needs the big guys. My guess...there are 10 reserve pokemon up there and 7 of those are the weaker/neglected/or unevolved pokemon that need screentime or just need to be used so the big guys can be saved later: Bayleef, Totodile, Cyndaquil, Noctowl, Muk, and Torkoal = weaker/neglected. Corphish (and this may apply to Buizel) = unevolved that will be used now so the big guys can battle later.

And the 3 reserves: Snorlax, Donphan, and Glalie can be used for support since they're actually some of Ash's strongest (I mean Infernape, Torterra, Pika, and Staraptor can't win them all right). And these pokemon will be seen both league and E4 and/or BF (whatever happens after the league).

Gible's role after Sinnoh may be for it to evolve and join the other big guys in battle (maybe).

And then of course the Kanto trio, Sceptile, and Swellow will come back post league.

That's my guess.
 
Duckgon Z said:
Like Swellow, Staraptor, Noctowl, Torkoal, Infernape, and Cyndaquil/Quilava against Aaron. Torterra, Bayleef/Meganium, Buizel, Sceptile, Totodile/Crocanaw/Feraligatr, and Kingler against Bertha, and so on.
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So basically he'll use his brain for once.
I do love the Pokémon League, for nostalgia's sake. And I would like to see Ash win something massively important for once (Orange Islands League thingy doesn't count). I reckon, if he did have battle the Elite 4, the member he'd have the most trouble with is Lucian. With no Ghost, Dark, and with like one Bug type he doesn't seem very well prepared for him. Unless Corphish evolves or Ash gets some nuts and decides to teach some useful Ghost and Dark moves, he's screwed.
 
God, I'd love to see Squirtle and Kingler team up against Flint's fire types.
 
I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the Elite 4, in regards to his missing Pokemon.

Actually, I'm not even sure what to think. I mean, it's an opening. Aside from Evolutions, we cannot concretely say if some Pokemon are going to be participating over others. And yes, I say that despite our little gang of Ash's reserves. They could throw the kitchen sink at us for all we know.
 
^ That's true, but it's interesting to think about if they're going to be used or not lol.

Oh, shoot! I remember making a list of pokemon to battle in the E4 but I forgot. Basically I was thinking that Ash uses all 24 pokemon since the E4 consists of 26 pokemon so each pokemon will battle one E4 pokemon while Pikachu and Charizard are used twice.

But in this case, if Ash uses the shown reserves, I think Ash will let the Johto team be reserves for the league while Ash's 20 other pokemon can face the E4 (with 6 of Ash's strongest pokemon can battle twice and vs. Cynthia). This works imo. But yeah, we'll just wait and see. I'm interested to see Snorlax, Donphan, and Glalie though if they do visit for the league.
 
V Faction said:
Actually, I'm not even sure what to think. I mean, it's an opening. Aside from Evolutions, we cannot concretely say if some Pokemon are going to be participating over others. And yes, I say that despite our little gang of Ash's reserves. They could throw the kitchen sink at us for all we know.
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Again, why were such obscure Pokemon chosen? This is not like the Spurt opening which simply showed all of them.

This was random as hell. You have the entire Johto team there except for Heracross. You have three Hoenn Pokemon there but not Sceptile or Swellow. You have Snorlax and Muk there but not Kingler.

This set of Pokemon is way too random. Its like a few Pokemon from each team were chosen, yet the most popular ones were excluded.

How the hell can Charizard and Sceptile not get glorified in an opening? Something is seriously up here. Ash's two fully evolved starters won't be used at all? And again, Ash used Bulbasaur despite having Sceptile, and Squirtle completes the trio.
 
If they make an entire new opening for the elite four...

Anyways, I'm not exactly against this team. We've got some pokemon we liked, Ash's set of johto starters return, and his kick-ass sinnoh team. I know that everyone has their favorites and wants to see them FINALLY take on the E4... but you can't have everyone.

Plus, Ash was never the type to use his strongest pokemon. He likes to prove that Karenism is true. You can win with your favorites.
 
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