"Legitimate" Clones?

[Rellik]

Want to know how everyone else thinks about this topic. Continued from here:

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I just need someone that can LEGIMATELY clone me a lugia (1X) and a latios (2X). Just name something reasonable that you want and that will be your reward. Thanks in advance!

The whole point of cloning is that the clones, being CLONES aren't legit

Cloning IS cheating

Cloning may be cheating, but GTS clones are legit. The game itself creates the clone. No AR, no card reading. GTS clones are legit through and through.

GTS clones are no more legitimate than cheat device clones. They're still just copies of other Pokemon. Just because you're not using a cheat device doesn't mean you're not cheating.

Did I say anything about it not being cheating. I said the clones are still legit. They are. If the game creates them, and not some other external device, they are legit. You shouldn't be posting this argument of yours here. If you have a problem with clones, it has nothing to do with anyone but you. You're just causing trouble for nothing.

For the record, I have nothing against clones. Not only do I gladly accept clones in trades (So long as they're clones of legitimately obtained Pokemon), I regularly clone my own Pokemon to offer in trades.

However, I find that the idea that there's a "legitimate" way to clone a Pokemon, or that one cloned Pokemon is in any way more legitimate than another cloned Pokemon, to be simply laughable.

Did I say anything about it not being cheating. I said the clones are still legit. They are.

If GTS cloning is cheating, then from a moral standpoint, it's the same as using a cheat device. The way you cheat in no way makes the status of the clone any more legitimate.

If the game creates them, and not some other external device, they are legit.

The problem with your argument is that the game is not purposely creating these clones. There is no option that says "Would you like to create a copy of this Pokemon?" It's also not generating these clones in the same manner that it generates other Pokemon. GTS cloning is nothing more than the abuse of a glitch in the games programing. The clones it creates are in no way more legitimate than clones created via any other method.

 

[Companion Cube]

all he wants is a cloned pokemon

 

[Rellik]

all he wants is a cloned pokemon

Not what this thread is about.

 

[Ekard]

Agreed. I don't have a issue with clones, hacks, or anything really. I just like people being honest.
I would gladly accept a hacked Pokemon, for another hacked Pokemon, or for something that wasn't really all that important to me.
Cloned is next on the list, it's fine so long as I know, not valued to me as much as a legit.
Legit 100%-- now that is someone's time and effort -- sweat and patience, and I am not going to depreciate that, and it's in poor sportsmanship to do so.

 

[Virtual-Z]

I have issues with hacked Pokemon, but not really cloned. I find them to be legit. It's not like they are made unstoppable once they get cloned. They're just...the same.

 

[SalamenceCommander]

I have issues with hacked Pokemon, but not really cloned. I find them to be legit. It's not like they are made unstoppable once they get cloned. They're just...the same.

That's true. Cloning is not hacking.

 

[Ekard]

Cloning is not hacking, true. But Cloning is forcing an Error; a beneficial error, but an unintended occurrence in the Game nonetheless. Is that fair for the Makers of the Game? No. Did they want this to happen? No. Is it fair to Clone Pokemon? No, because only half (at least) the work is put into the end result.

Let's compare that to Hacks, and you get the same answers. This is why they are both not Fair and not Legit.

Is it right? Is it okay? These are questions that are up in the air, they depend on who you are speaking to. But Clones and Hacks hold facts. They are not Legit. They are not Fair.

 

[H-con]

For me, a clone isn't worth anything. Cloning might not be hacking, but it's damn close, as you're exploiting the game in a manner that wasn't intended.

Collecting a bunch of clones and saying you have a collection might seem "worth" it to some, but I honestly don't see the point when they're not unique.

 

[Blazevoir]

Cloning is "cheating". You are using an external device (whether it be AR or GTS Wi-Fi) to carbon-copy a Pokémon, something GameFreak did not intend for you to do.

Am I saying it's wrong? Not really. There is no way to tell the difference between a cloned Pokémon and the original. I bet there are people who clone Pokémon and use them competitively and I don't think the online community seems to care. Cloned Pokémon aren't any stronger than the original (unless you alter them after the cloning with Vitamins or something) so I don't see what the problem with them is.

 

[Falconwing]

I've got no issue with cloning. Hacking yes, cloning no. So I end up with the same exact pokemon he has. And he keeps his copy as well. Everyone's happy.

 

[Angad]

So in that sense, RNGing is non-legit too.

 

[Mijzelffan]

I have no problems with cloning. It's the only way to keep my Sapphire pokémons on both Sapphire as Diamond.

 

[Zesty Cactus]

I have issues with hacked Pokemon, but not really cloned. I find them to be legit. It's not like they are made unstoppable once they get cloned. They're just...the same.

Agreed... I have no real issues with cloned Pokémon personally, although I suppose it's only fair to mention ahead of time if you're trading a clone because some people are really militant about it.

Also, I don't really see GTS clones as any less "cheat"-y as any other type of cloning.

 

[Charmander330]

I've got no issue with cloning. Hacking yes, cloning no. So I end up with the same exact pokemon he has. And he keeps his copy as well. Everyone's happy.

my thoughts exactly, cloning isn't hacking its glitching, not that big of a deal, if the pokemon is legit then its clone is just as legit

 

[RudolphMilotic]

I disagree with the idea of clones being a sort of hacking and/or cheating. The GTS servers aren't even an external "device" (we're talking about the data, not the hardware involved), so in the end you're technically using glitches and/or programming oversights found in the game. I do it pretty often on my Emerald, Diamond and Japanese Pearl, mainly to have back-ups in reserve if I decide to change the EV training or leveling them up to 100.

Having said that, currently I don't distribute or clone my Pokémon to trade them; I used to do it, but after some thinking I decided I put a lot of effort into catching or breeding them to share them with people I don't even know. I remember way back when Diamond was released, I was sending some copies of my Birth Island Deoxys to the GTS in exchange for a lot of things; I didn't actually want to do it because getting the Aurora Ticket for my LeafGreen cart was a one-shot special case, giving that 5 years ago there weren't many official events in Mexico, and since the last two years Nintendo hasn't even brought any Pokémon promotions to my country.

 

[Sleet]

Regardless, it is unfair to pass off clones, just like hacks, as if they are not clones. It's polite to assume your trading partner does not want Pokémon that were not truly raised unless they inform you otherwise. If the other person knows your Pokémon is cloned and they still want it, that's fine. But if you just throw them around like they're all originals, then there's no such thing as a rare Pokémon anymore.

 

[timiny cricket]

Hi, I'm new here, actually I just signed up to reply to this because it's a topic I'm quite interested in.

Like a lot of others who replied, I think GTS cloning is legit, as long as you inform people that it's a clone.

I'm now in a moral dilemma, because since creating a trade thread (on another forum) I've been wasting a LOT of time cloning via GTS which I find to be hard to use because of its random nature, and getting an AR just to clone would save me many frustrated hours. But I've always thought of AR cloning to be cheating, more so than GTS. Tough decision, I don't know what I'll do. I guess in the end it comes down to individual philosophy; I don't think there can be a right or wrong answer.

 

[Darkfox190]

I don't really see a problem with cloning certain Pokemon - Mainly event Pokemon and legendary Pokemon. I don't see an issue with someone creating an exact copy of their Pokemon either through the GTS or through the use of an Action Replay device. So long as they aren't using the AR to hack their Pokemon's stats (at least, the ones they're trading) I don't really care.

I'd gladly accept a cloned Pokemon in a trade. I don't have a lot of the old events, and my Pokedex will have some holes in it because of this. I'd really like to get that completion, even if not everyone saw it as 'legit' - I'll go get these event Pokemon when I can, but for now, it's impossible!

 

[Rachael]

I guess it depends on your definition of "legit." If you mean "obtained by a use sanctioned by the game," then yeah, cloning isn't legit.

I think maybe what people mean when they seek a "legit" clone is one that you could obtain naturally--no Magikarp with Thunderbolt, or Luvdisc with god-like stats, or anything.