GEN VI: Looking for flawless Ditto(s)

[Suicune Rider]

I need them for breeing, anyone?

 

[Stratelier]

Dittos appear in the Friend Safari, so if you check the GTS for Lv.30 Dittos you might (trade conditions notwithstanding) be able to get your hands on some Dittos guaranteed to have two flawless stats. For example, I acquired some Safari Dittos with flawless Def/Sp.Def that I can trade you easily.

 

[Simba]

I need them for breeing, anyone?

Since you can't breed them, a Perfect Ditto is pretty much the rarest, unlikeliest thing that exists in the Pokemon videogames. The odds of a wild Pokemon having 31 in all IVs is like, 100s of times more unlikely than getting a Shiny with Pokerus.

I personally doubt that any Perfect Ditto is legit for just that reason.

However, there's really no advantage to a 6IV Pokemon over a 5IV. I mean, if you're breeding a competitive mon, which is the only reason to care about IVs, you'd never need all six stats with max IVs; you'd always be able to let either Attack or Special Attack be random. Because you'd never, ever make a Pokemon that uses both physical and special Moves, it's just not competitively feasible.

And 5IV Pokemon are only useful for physical attackers. If your Pokemon isn't going to be doing any attacking, you can let Attack and Special Attack slide.

All that said, I have a near-perfect Ditto in Emerald. If I recall correctly, it's 31/29/8/31/31/30. Thank you RNG abuse >

Once Pokebank launches and I can upload it to X, I'd be willing to trade it for something good. Like a non-chained, non-event Shiny, or a 5IV competitive Pokemon.

 

[Suicune Rider]

Dittos appear in the Friend Safari, so if you check the GTS for Lv.30 Dittos you might (trade conditions notwithstanding) be able to get your hands on some Dittos guaranteed to have two flawless stats. For example, I acquired some Safari Dittos with flawless Def/Sp.Def that I can trade you easily.

PM me on this!

 

[1289]

I need them for breeing, anyone?

Since you can't breed them, a Perfect Ditto is pretty much the rarest, unlikeliest thing that exists in the Pokemon videogames. The odds of a wild Pokemon having 31 in all IVs is like, 100s of times more unlikely than getting a Shiny with Pokerus.

I personally doubt that any Perfect Ditto is legit for just that reason.

However, there's really no advantage to a 6IV Pokemon over a 5IV. I mean, if you're breeding a competitive mon, which is the only reason to care about IVs, you'd never need all six stats with max IVs; you'd always be able to let either Attack or Special Attack be random. Because you'd never, ever make a Pokemon that uses both physical and special Moves, it's just not competitively feasible.

And 5IV Pokemon are only useful for physical attackers. If your Pokemon isn't going to be doing any attacking, you can let Attack and Special Attack slide.

All that said, I have a near-perfect Ditto in Emerald. If I recall correctly, it's 31/29/8/31/31/30. Thank you RNG abuse >

Once Pokebank launches and I can upload it to X, I'd be willing to trade it for something good. Like a non-chained, non-event Shiny, or a 5IV competitive Pokemon.

Im anything but an expert at IVs and EVs and egg moves and stuff but I thought Pokemon in Friend Safari can only have 2iv and wild have no IVs and you must breed to get them higher? How do people get 6iv or even like 4 or 5iv Dittos?

 

[Blahmon]

I need them for breeing, anyone?

Since you can't breed them, a Perfect Ditto is pretty much the rarest, unlikeliest thing that exists in the Pokemon videogames. The odds of a wild Pokemon having 31 in all IVs is like, 100s of times more unlikely than getting a Shiny with Pokerus.

I personally doubt that any Perfect Ditto is legit for just that reason.

However, there's really no advantage to a 6IV Pokemon over a 5IV. I mean, if you're breeding a competitive mon, which is the only reason to care about IVs, you'd never need all six stats with max IVs; you'd always be able to let either Attack or Special Attack be random. Because you'd never, ever make a Pokemon that uses both physical and special Moves, it's just not competitively feasible.

And 5IV Pokemon are only useful for physical attackers. If your Pokemon isn't going to be doing any attacking, you can let Attack and Special Attack slide.

All that said, I have a near-perfect Ditto in Emerald. If I recall correctly, it's 31/29/8/31/31/30. Thank you RNG abuse >

Once Pokebank launches and I can upload it to X, I'd be willing to trade it for something good. Like a non-chained, non-event Shiny, or a 5IV competitive Pokemon.

Im anything but an expert at IVs and EVs and egg moves and stuff but I thought Pokemon in Friend Safari can only have 2iv and wild have no IVs and you must breed to get them higher? How do people get 6iv or even like 4 or 5iv Dittos?

I suspect the 6 IV Dittos that crawl around are hacks that were then cloned. I have caught 3 IV Dittos in the FS plenty and even 4 IV's of other FS pokes but they are rarer to come by..........

It's more luck than anything else. Before my first gym badge, I did catch a very good 5 IV (yes 5 IV ) female Riolu so catching a high IV poke elsewhere isn't entirely impossible

 

[Simba]

I need them for breeing, anyone?

Since you can't breed them, a Perfect Ditto is pretty much the rarest, unlikeliest thing that exists in the Pokemon videogames. The odds of a wild Pokemon having 31 in all IVs is like, 100s of times more unlikely than getting a Shiny with Pokerus.

I personally doubt that any Perfect Ditto is legit for just that reason.

However, there's really no advantage to a 6IV Pokemon over a 5IV. I mean, if you're breeding a competitive mon, which is the only reason to care about IVs, you'd never need all six stats with max IVs; you'd always be able to let either Attack or Special Attack be random. Because you'd never, ever make a Pokemon that uses both physical and special Moves, it's just not competitively feasible.

And 5IV Pokemon are only useful for physical attackers. If your Pokemon isn't going to be doing any attacking, you can let Attack and Special Attack slide.

All that said, I have a near-perfect Ditto in Emerald. If I recall correctly, it's 31/29/8/31/31/30. Thank you RNG abuse >

Once Pokebank launches and I can upload it to X, I'd be willing to trade it for something good. Like a non-chained, non-event Shiny, or a 5IV competitive Pokemon.

Im anything but an expert at IVs and EVs and egg moves and stuff but I thought Pokemon in Friend Safari can only have 2iv and wild have no IVs and you must breed to get them higher? How do people get 6iv or even like 4 or 5iv Dittos?

I'm no expert at all, but I do understand a little.

Basically, when you encounter a wild Pokemon, its IVs are randomized. And if you don't know, a Pokemon has one IV value per stat, that value is between 0 and 31, that value never changes, and it's used to determine the Pokemon's specific stats (IVs are part of the reason why two Pokemon of the same species and same level will often have different stats).

So when you encounter a wild Pokemon, it could have a 12 HP IV, a 4 for Attack, a 22 for Defense, a 7 for Special Attack, a 2 for Special Defense and a 30 for Speed. Or whatever numbers, it's completely random. You could randomly encounter a Pokemon with all 0s, or all 31s, but both of those events are astronomically unlikely.

What Friend Safari does is artificially inflate two random IVs to 31, which is the max value. So you're guaranteed two perfect IVs.

This actually confused me at first, but when people say "2 IV Pokemon," "6 IV Pokemon," etc. what they actually mean is "Pokemon with 2 IVs that are 31s," "Pokemon with all 6 of its IVs at 31," etc. We really should say PIV, for Perfect IV, or MIV for Maximum.

As for breeding, when you breed a Pokemon, any given one of its IVs could either be randomly generated, or inherited from a parent.

So if you breed, say, a Pokemon with 31/31/31/0/0/0 with a Pokemon with 0/0/0/31/31/31 it's possible to get a Pokemon with 31/31/31/31/31/31. But it's also possible to get a Pokemon with 12/31/0/31/31/8, because which IVs are randomly generated and which IVs are inherited from a parent (and which parent they're inherited from) are randomized.

Note: Every time I've said "random" above, well, that's technically not true. The Pokemon games have flawed internal pseudo-random number generators that produce "random" numbers based upon the time you encounter/breed the Pokemon. This pseudo-random number generator can be predicted (which we haven't done in Gen VI yet, but have in Gens III~V), so you could indeed tell when you'd encounter wild Pokemon with specific IVs, or when a given IV would be inherited from a parent for a bred Pokemon.

Hope that helped

I suspect the 6 IV Dittos that crawl around are hacks that were then cloned. I have caught 3 IV Dittos in the FS plenty and even 4 IV's of other FS pokes but they are rarer to come by..........

It's more luck than anything else. Before my first gym badge, I did catch a very good 5 IV (yes 5 IV ) female Riolu so catching a high IV poke elsewhere isn't entirely impossible

Where did you encounter a Riolu before the first gym badge?! I thought Riolus are only on Route 22. Unless you mean in Gen V.

EDIT: w00t, 100 posts.

 

[Blahmon]

@Simba- you are talking about X/Y right? Ya, it was on route 22 right near the Victory Road Gate. I'm pretty sure it was before my first badge and not immediately after, but it was so long ago I can't recall...........

LOL, even after using the IV calculator, I refused to believe it until I confirmed it with the guy in Kiloude, postgame! XD

 

[Stratelier]

It's more luck than anything else. Before my first gym badge, I did catch a very good 5 IV (yes 5 IV ) female Riolu so catching a high IV poke elsewhere isn't entirely impossible

Did you know that in XY, wild baby Pokemon (Riolu/Azurill/Smoochum/Mime Jr./etc.) Pokemon are guaranteed to have three flawless IV's? So a 5IV Riolu isn't quite as improbable as it is with other species (though to have more than 3 is still 1/32 per IV).

Where did you encounter a Riolu before the first gym badge?! I thought Riolus are only on Route 22. Unless you mean in Gen V.

Yup, you can visit Route 22 before challenging the Gym. It's Route 4 (towards Lumiose City) that you can't enter until after the first Badge.

 

[MachDragonX]

Pokemon caught in Friend Safari have a minimum of 2 max IVs. I've caught a box worth of Dittos with 3 IVs from Friend Safari, along with one with 4 IVs and another one with 5 IVs.

Catching Pokemon with 3 IVs is still fairly uncommon though. Sometimes I've caught 50 Pokemon of the same species in Friend Safari, and maybe 6 to 8 of them will have 3 max IVs if I'm lucky. Catching Pokemon with 4 and 5 IVs in Friend Safari is even more uncommon. I'm not sure about the accuracy of this number, but I read somewhere that the odds of catching a 5 IV Pokemon in Friend Safari are something like 1 in 8,600.

It's possible to catch Pokemon with perfect IVs in the wild too. Getting one with even one max IV is rare, but you can actually guarantee Pokemon caught in the wild will have a certain amount of max IVs through chaining. Pokemon caught through chaining will have at least 1 perfect IV for every 20th chain. There might be a limit on how many IVs you can guarantee through this method though, and keeping chains going that long can be incredibly tedious.

To the original poster, I'm not willing to trade any of my 3, 4, or 5 IV Dittos. But I have a few boxes worth of 2 IV Dittos with different natures and IV spreads that I'd be willing to trade. I'm mostly interested in trading them for certain items. Right now I don't have enough box space to keep anymore Pokemon. PM me if you're interested.

Edit: From what I'm reading online, the maximum number of perfect IVs you can get through chaining is 3, which you can get through a chain of 60. And it works through regular chaining only, not chain fishing. But it's still noteworthy.

 

[1289]

Hmm I see. Ive been playing Pokemon for over seven years now and I dont think I will ever fully understand these complicated factors and stuff...

I never really pay any mind to IVs and such as I dont competitive battle so when I get a Pokemon with markings on wonder trade I just trade it back unless its 5iv(?: Simbas explanation makes me not think as many things are truly 5iv now) in which I keep it in a box for possible use in the future. Although I got a 6iv Entei from GTS a while ago while getting legends for my Pokedex but I traded it away. I actually got a 6iv Landorus from wonder trade this morning and Im definitely keeping it. Anyways I think I kinda understand IVs now. EVs will forever be a mystery to me though and I dont really wanna learn about them.

(also I apologize since I totally derailed this post unintentionally)

 

[Dolce]

Mod Note: Yeah let's not derail this thread with chit chat any further you guys.

If your posting to offer anything or ask questions that's fine. Otherwise use VMs, and the like.