Marina and Jasmine in DP...

[harryheart]

Hi All

Recently I've been seeing a lot of people saying Marina has appeared in DP and so I went back and watched the episodes and did see her - it was a welcome sight and got me thinking:

Also with Jasmine being in the games did that foreshadow the Jhoto revamp and perhaps revisiting it for a season and having quite a few Jhoto peeps and Pokemon appear! Was it the games example of Marina for the Animé using something that could help foreshadow:

If they did appear in a bigger cameo what will be their overall role and what if anything does it suggest. Was it foreshadowing for HG and SS?

Discuss away!​

 

[Cybersai]

I think the writers gave Marina those cameos because they knew HGSS would have a different girl sprite, so they were essentially giving Marina "one last hurrah" in the anime. It was nice of the writers to do for Marina fans, in retrospect.

As for Jasmine, there's been no indication if she will show up in Sinnoh. We have to wait till the Sunyshore eps are announced to see what they will do.

 

[ii kanji]

This should probably go here, being HGSS related and all.

Whatever happens we're going to Jouto, or I'll change my name.

 

[Cybersai]

There is still no real proof Ash is heading back to Johto. Why do people act like its confirmed?

 

[Musashi]

Because there are Jouto remakes coming.

 

[Mitchman]

So? Its not like they went to Kanto for that sole reason.

 

[Cybersai]

It's still not fully confirmed. We have no clue what Ash is doing after the Sinnoh league.

Why is Palmer in Sinnoh? Could it be the BF will actually be kept IN Sinnoh this time instead of being placed in an older region?

 

[Musashi]

Then why did they go to Kanto?

 

[Aestivate]

It's still not fully confirmed. We have no clue what Ash is doing after the Sinnoh league.

Why is Palmer in Sinnoh? Could it be the BF will actually be kept IN Sinnoh this time instead of being placed in an older region?

idk bro MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE HE USED TO LIVE IN FUTABA TOWN? and the rest of his family might still be living there (minus Jun obv because Jun is traveling)
It's not unheard of (at all) for characters to move.

 

[Cybersai]

Then why did they go to Kanto?

Kanto is Ash's home region, and they visited the Viridian Gym and Pewter Gym, relevant to major characters.

None of the main characters hail from Johto. I also cannot see why the writers would have Ash revisit any Johto Gym leaders when they didn't do it for the Kanto ones.

 

[Sleet]

Whatever happens we're going to Jouto, or I'll change my name.

I'll remember you said this, just in case they don't go to Johto. Personally I suggest "Lemon Pudding." :3

 

[Ampharos King]

I seem to remember this thread having been redirected to the "HGSS anime thread."

 

[Piplup]

Scott, stop being ridiculous
About Marina and Jasmine... Jasmine has a little chance to appear in Sunnyshore, Marina probably won't even get cameos anymore since she isn't in the games

 

[Shinx3000]

Because there are Jouto remakes coming.

So, have you forgotten all the advertismement for these games thats appearing now? NEP, Johto starters in movie, PCP, Marril and Elekid appearing in anime too, seems to me they are doing a lot of advertising now and I don't think that happened for FR/LG until the BF arc so I still don't think its confirmed that the gang will go to Johto and I still don't think they will. If they were, would all this advertising start appearing now? Wouldn't tey wait until neaer the release date before the advertising comes?

idk bro MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE HE USED TO LIVE IN FUTABA TOWN? and the rest of his family might still be living there (minus Jun obv because Jun is traveling)
It's not unheard of (at all) for characters to move.

Yes he did and thats in Sinnoh, makes sense for him to stay in the Sinnoh BF. And why would a character travel so far away for just to be a Battle Frontier brain and be fae away from his family in Twinleaf just to be one in Johto? It would make more sense for him to stay in Battle Zone and don't forget the Platinum Battle Zone got far more than the Emerald one ever did. Anyway why does the main region not get to have a BF just for a remake? This time it makes less sense than it did in Kanto BF.

 

[harryheart]

Remember though that movie 13 is set to be with Ho-Oh and Lugia - so that could help confirm it! But back on topic as many people have strayed:

This seems to be about characters itself so I think it can stay open but if anyone disagress then you can get mods involved I dont mind so they can decide - but anyway - I think Jasmine has a good chance of appearing and maybe informs Ash of a BF in Jhoto or something else that would drag him there possibly - or even Oak with his appearance asking Ash to go there for a specific reason - I'm still hoping for Marina at GF maybe as a Judge! But speculate what their roles would be! Not argue please!

 

[Shinx3000]

Remember though that movie 13 is set to be with Ho-Oh and Lugia - so that could help confirm it!

Sorry for still being offtopic, but the movies are not exactly canon with the show. Just because Ash sees a legendary in a movie does not mean in the anime he has seen it, I only could something when its in the anime. Plus we don't know what the birds in movie 13 are all about.

 

[Hidden Mew]

So? Its not like they went to Kanto for that sole reason.

I thought that the main reason that we went back to Kanto was because of FireRed and LeafGreen. If they hadn't made those remakes, they probably would have made up another region to pass the time between the third and fourth generations, kind of like with the Orange Island arc.

I think the writers gave Marina those cameos because they knew HGSS would have a different girl sprite, so they were essentially giving Marina "one last hurrah" in the anime. It was nice of the writers to do for Marina fans, in retrospect.

As for Jasmine, there's been no indication if she will show up in Sinnoh. We have to wait till the Sunyshore eps are announced to see what they will do.

That sounds like a good guess as to why they had some cameos for Marina. However, I remember that they had those cameos fairly early in Diamond and Pearl, so I'm not too sure that they knew that Heart Gold and Soul Silver would have a different female trainer. At the time they were in the process of making those episodes, they probably didn't know about the remakes, other than there was a possibility of those games being made. I took Marina showing up more as the writers hinting at the possibility of the Gold and Silver remakes.

It could be possible that Jasmie will show up in Sunyshore when Ash and his friends get there. Of course, it all depends on what the writers have planned for those episodes.

It's still not fully confirmed. We have no clue what Ash is doing after the Sinnoh league.

Why is Palmer in Sinnoh? Could it be the BF will actually be kept IN Sinnoh this time instead of being placed in an older region?

I think that the reason why Palmer is in Sinnoh is because of Barry since they probably wanted to give the rival in the game more of a family background than some of the previous games have in the past. I honestly can't see Ash traveling around the Battle Zone for a whole year or two since it really isn't large enough for that amount of time to travel. Besides that, I can't see them using Sinnoh the promote Heart Gold and Soul Silver for too long. It wouldn't make sense for them to promote the remakes and never actually going to the old region.

So, have you forgotten all the advertismement for these games thats appearing now? NEP, Johto starters in movie, PCP, Marril and Elekid appearing in anime too, seems to me they are doing a lot of advertising now and I don't think that happened for FR/LG until the BF arc so I still don't think its confirmed that the gang will go to Johto and I still don't think they will. If they were, would all this advertising start appearing now? Wouldn't tey wait until neaer the release date before the advertising comes?

I think that you have a good point about how these remakes have more promotion than FireRed and LeafGreen. However, Heart Gold and Soul Silver come out in Japan on September 12th, roughly about a month and a half from now. I think that promoting the games with the Johto starters in the newest movie and some Johto Pokemon appearing the the anime is a good way to get people interested or notice that the remakes are coming.

 

[Ampharos King]

Sorry for still being offtopic, but the movies are not exactly canon with the show. Just because Ash sees a legendary in a movie does not mean in the anime he has seen it, I only could something when its in the anime. Plus we don't know what the birds in movie 13 are all about.

I would like to prove you wrong.

Movie 2- When the he main cast sees a baby Lugia in the Whirl Islands, Ash and Team Rocket point out that they have seen a Lugia before in the Orange Islands.

Movie 6- The events from the Spheal episode in Advanced Generation are correlated to the events in the movie. This is especially given that Team Magma stole the Groudon fragment, which was later used by Butler (a former Magma member) to create a fake Groudon.

Movie 7- The events in the movie have been explicity explained in the Pokemon Ranger Deoxys special. In addition, Drew was born in Larousse City, the town the movie takes place in.

Movie 8- Several references to Aura have been made in the episode where the Riolu appeared. In addition, Ash and Brock mention the Lucario from the movie when they first saw Maylene's Lucario.

 

[Shinx3000]

I would like to prove you wrong.

Movie 2- When the he main cast sees a baby Lugia in the Whirl Islands, Ash and Team Rocket point out that they have seen a Lugia before in the Orange Islands.

Movie 6- The events from the Spheal episode in Advanced Generation are correlated to the events in the movie. This is especially given that Team Magma stole the Groudon fragment, which was later used by Butler (a former Magma member) to create a fake Groudon.

Movie 7- The events in the movie have been explicity explained in the Pokemon Ranger Deoxys special. In addition, Drew was born in Larousse City, the town the movie takes place in.

Movie 8- Several references to Aura have been made in the episode where the Riolu appeared. In addition, Ash and Brock mention the Lucario from the movie when they first saw Maylene's Lucario.

I thought about those things, but I did not men the movies storylines being derrived from the anime storylines, I meant the other way around the anime being liked to a movie which its not, its the other way around as you just pointed out. Some events from the anime can make up part of the movie storyline, but not the other way around, which is what I meant to say and this being so, I don't count the movies but anime only which is the main story, the movies storylines don't affect or become part of the anime storyline at all, which is why I only count what we see in anime as evidence to what could happen in future, not what hapens in a movie which has little bearing on the anime.

About Marina and Jasmine... Jasmine has a little chance to appear in Sunnyshore, Marina probably won't even get cameos anymore since she isn't in the games

I'd agree with you about Marina, she probably won't be seen much at all anymore because if that is her in HGSS she was redesigned and this redesigned character will probably be turned into a new character for Anime/Magna purposes to avoid confusion on a character thats around suddenly changing.

If Jasmine is in Sunnyshore, if Ash sees her, I can just see him saying "Are you? Hey I remember you, your Jasmine, the gym leader from Johto! What are you doing in Sinnoh?" and she will say hello and say its been a long time and so on and will say why she is there. No idea why she would ask Ash to go back to Johto at all, even for a BF which is nothing to do with her, so if she is in Anime in Sunnyshore, this is all I see happening.

 

[Sleet]

I honestly can't see Ash traveling around the Battle Zone for a whole year or two since it really isn't large enough for that amount of time to travel.

They could make it work. They made the Whirl Islands and the Battle Frontier a lot bigger than they were in the games, and God knows the writers have no qualms against making filler episodes. Plus, the Battle Frontier is there. If they wanted to, they could very easily make a filler arc work there. I'm going to say that if they don't go to Johto, they're almost certainly going to the Battle Zone, and vice versa. Unless for some strange reason they manage to stretch out the Sinnoh league up to generation V.

Back on topic, I'm going to guess Jasmine will show up in the anime when they get to Sunyshore. If Johto is in Ash's future, it might even be then that we first hear of it.